rules for sending to farm team

kennec · Post by **kennec** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:30 pm

whut are the rules for sending an youngster to ahl farm team.

whut age? 19? 20? i have had usa 19y old that i can send down to ahl. but euro 19y i cant

after how many nhl games/ seson u cant send em anymore and have to waiwer them before?

anyone have an link or know exactly how it works?

thanks

Post by **Danny** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:51 pm

Maybe you didn't sign that 19yo Euro to a 2 way contract.

Systemfel · Post by **Systemfel** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:56 pm

Danny wrote:Maybe you didn't sign that 19yo Euro to a 2 way contract.

That shouldn't matter, though.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:25 pm

If that 19 year old euro has been drafted by a junior team (WHL, OHL, QMJHL), you must send him there rather than the AHL until he's 20. Or are you not getting any option other than to waive him?

Post by **Danny** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:46 pm

Systemfel wrote:
Danny wrote:Maybe you didn't sign that 19yo Euro to a 2 way contract.
That shouldn't matter, though.

Hmm I always thought you can never send anyone down to the AHL without clearing waivers who's not on a 2 way contract

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:53 pm

I thought the two-way contract only affect their pay? I'm not sure though. I never bother sending anyone down that has to be waived first. I usually just trade them or play them.

Post by **Danny** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:13 pm

bruins72 wrote:I thought the two-way contract only affect their pay? I'm not sure though. I never bother sending anyone down that has to be waived first. I usually just trade them or play them.

Alright I suppose you know better than I do. I usually only send down young players who are on 2-ways so I might have missed that it's only related to salary.

Post by **archibalduk** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:24 pm

B72 is right. They don't have to be on a two-way contract to be sent down to the minors. What a two-way contract means is that the player will be paid less whilst he's down in the minors. It's useful if you want to take a gamble on a young player; if he turns out to be a dud or he needs more minor league experience, you can send him down to the minors and reduce your wage bill. Also, having a two-way contract doesn't mean they are exempt from the waivers (iirc).

It's been quite some time since I've coached an NHL team (I'm playing in the UK at the moment) and so I'm quite rusty when it comes to sending players down to the minors. What teams have what rights over your Euro player?

Here's some rules from my EHM guide regarding waiver exemption (I'm not aware of this changing since the overhaul of NHL rules post-lockout):

Skaters who sign their first NHL contract at the age of 18 are exempt for five years and 19 year old skaters are exempt for four years. Such exemption is reduced to three years once such players have played more than ten games in the NHL.
Goalies who sign their first NHL contract at the age of 18 are exempt for six years and 19 year old goalies are exempt for five years. Such exemption is reduced to four years once such players have played more than ten games in the NHL.
A player of at least 20 years old who plays his first NHL game has three years of exemption from the waivers.

Post by **Danny** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:32 pm

Man thanks for that. I can remember reading your guide in my EHM05 days but either I missed that or you updated your guide since then.
Does that same apply for re-entry waivers ?
Also, does that 10 games rule apply to one season or career overall ?
I think there's also something like 30 days on an NHL roster

Post by **batdad** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:33 pm

Pretty much the same. And amazingly easy to find in the old Guide. I think it should be mandatory reading for everyone. I have read it about 5 times, and love it!

10 games in career.

Kekkonen · Post by **Kekkonen** » Tue May 01, 2007 10:29 am

As for the "sending kids to the AHL" question, I'm pretty sure it goes like this:

* if they've already turned 20, you can send them to the minors no matter what
* if they are 18 or 19, you can only send them to the minors if nobody has their CHL rights.

Note that it isn't uncommon for CHL teams to release their rights to 19-year-olds once an NHL team signs them.

Post by **Shadd666** » Tue May 01, 2007 1:45 pm

To add to Kekkonen's post, you can send players coming from europe to the AHL no matter their age. But european players contracted to a major junior team can only be sent in the minors.

Danny: re-entry waivers is for the players that are paid more than 90K$ in the affiliate team. So players not contracted on a two-way contract will be eligible for re-entry waivers, and same for players who earn more than 90K$ even with their two-way close. Only exception: players that are not eligible for the waivers are exempted from re-entry waivers, no matter their salary

For the '30 days in NHL roster or 10 NHL games' rule, this applies to players that have been waived and sent to AHL. Once they have cleared waivers, they can move up and down between NHL and AHL as if they were exempted from waivers untill they spent 30 days in the NHL roster or played 10 NHL games. Then, they (re-)become eligible for the waivers.

Hope that helps

Post by **Danny** » Tue May 01, 2007 3:15 pm

Alright thanks, that makes it all clear. I swear to god

I never saw this information in the guide despite having read it a few times myself.

Post by **Shadd666** » Wed May 02, 2007 11:54 am

It is not in the guide for a simple reason... The guide was made for EHM05, but re-entry waivers entered the game only in EHM07

note: We didn't rewrite the guide for EHM07, as most of the game works the same way as in 05. We just made fully the tactics section, as there as been tons of new stuff for this version.

Kekkonen · Post by **Kekkonen** » Wed May 02, 2007 12:59 pm

Shadd666 wrote:To add to Kekkonen's post, you can send players coming from europe to the AHL no matter their age. But european players contracted to a major junior team can only be sent in the minors.

Actually, no. It doesn't matter where the player is from, if his CHL rights are held by a CHL team, he can't play in the AHL until he's 20.. The main difference is that many European prospects haven't been drafted to the CHL. The vast majority of North American prospects have, so until they turn 20 their only choices are to play in the NHL or in juniors (again, unless their CHL team releases their rights). The only exception to this are college players (more often than not, Americans, not Canadians), who usually haven't been through the CHL draft. They're also often unwilling to sign on as prospects or even regulars before graduating.

kennec · Post by **kennec** » Wed May 02, 2007 6:27 pm

ty all for replys.

i got the info i wanted

he was drafted by an chl team and the other where not

Post by **Shadd666** » Thu May 10, 2007 12:46 pm

Kekkonen wrote:
Shadd666 wrote:To add to Kekkonen's post, you can send players coming from europe to the AHL no matter their age. But european players contracted to a major junior team can only be sent in the minors.
It doesn't matter where the player is from, if his CHL rights are held by a CHL team, he can't play in the AHL until he's 20..

Thanks for that precision