Player Contracts / Negotiations

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B. Stinson wrote:In regards to trade negotiations, would it be difficult to make this more real-time? Kind of like if you were talking over the phone? Because nowadays, I would think it's pretty rare that GM's submit an offer to another GM, and then wait in the dark for a response like EHM does it. I'd be willing to bet most negotiating is done "live" on the phone.

I think the days of waiting for responses died when the telegraph was invented way back in the 1800's. ;)
axwel3221 wrote:Oh and what is constant on at least Lidas' databases, when team let's say Flyers place Blair Betts on waivers and I as Canucks want to claim him, but already there is 4 claims placed so there is no possibilities for me to claim Betts. This could be worked out anyhow? :-k
Actually, this is just a natural function of the NHL. I believe the waiver priority favors the lower placed teams in the standings.
How about the same for contract negotiations with a bit of a twist? There's been many a time when I was constricted by management in regards to what I could offer my own prospects or players and it would be nice to be able to have a back and forth conversation on some occasions. Maybe have 5 different choices which might affect if a player will sign or not. e.g. "Management won't let me pay you more than x per year but I can give you a hefty bonus to make up the difference" or "If you take x per year I'll drop the 2 way contract" The way it is now it sometimes seems like you are negotiating with a brick wall :-?
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Another useful negotiating feature would be the player/agent making a counter offer. Trying to sign or even resign a player is often like driving in the dark with no headlights. It's mostly a hit or miss it seems.
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It might be good if the player's agent could say what other teams have offered... roughly. And also say things like "my player has limited/lots of interest in your team because of your location", or factors like that. Ice time should be considered - "my player believes he could play a bigger role elsewhere" and also cup contending - "my player does not feel your team is a realistic stanley cup playoff hope". And if a player has likes and dislikes that include your coach or one of your players maybe this could influence negotiations. Just some ideas... as with all my ideas, some of them might be useless and impossible to implement... I apologise - I have no idea what is technically possible.
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Those are good ideas and something I would like to include some day.
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Another few thoughts... No-trade clauses weren't totally accurate in EHM - some players have limited ones- and no-movement clauses where you can't even waive the player weren't in at all. If possible it would be nice if you could have players submit a list every year/upon request of teams that they would accept a trade to, and also if you could ask the player if he would accept a trade to team X... and then they reply with an answer and a reason, like it's too far away or they arent' a cup contender.

Also, I thought that if you have a tendency to trade players you've only signed a year or two ago, or not live up to promises you've made about their roles in the team, this 'news' would spread and you'd earn a reputation for being dishonest or trigger happy, making it harder to sign free agents. This could also maybe apply to AI GMs... If it could at all!
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Also just thought nationalities might make a difference to free agent negotiations. Maybe a player with low 'adaptability' (i'm thinking in EHM terms here!) could be less likely to sign with a team if it has no players from their own country. In contrast and for example, Swedish players might sign willingly in Detroit as they would be able to adjust more easily. I'm only thinking of this as a little feature, not one that would affect every free agent... just those weak mental attributes perhaps.
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laskey 16 wrote:Also just thought nationalities might make a difference to free agent negotiations. Maybe a player with low 'adaptability' (i'm thinking in EHM terms here!) could be less likely to sign with a team if it has no players from their own country. In contrast and for example, Swedish players might sign willingly in Detroit as they would be able to adjust more easily. I'm only thinking of this as a little feature, not one that would affect every free agent... just those weak mental attributes perhaps.
Yes that is my plan.
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Great! :thup:
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One thing: UFA's need to make up their minds faster. Not take ten days to pick an offer.
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Systemfel wrote:One thing: UFA's need to make up their minds faster. Not take ten days to pick an offer.
Maybe on July 1st make signings instant (like trades on deadline day and draft day) and then make it a little slower (but not as slow as EHM currently) after that?
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Yeah, good idea. It should be like real life... if a player gets loads and loads of offers, he is more likely to take a full day or two to decide, and it should be harder to sign him due to competition/bidding wars. If a player only has a few offers and one is clearly more suitable then he should decide pretty quickly. Then if a player has a big reputation and excessively high demands or is old and considering retirement, it could take him days/weeks/months to sign anywhere. No idea if this is practically possible though.
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bruins72 wrote:
Systemfel wrote:One thing: UFA's need to make up their minds faster. Not take ten days to pick an offer.
Maybe on July 1st make signings instant (like trades on deadline day and draft day) and then make it a little slower (but not as slow as EHM currently) after that?
I'd put of a bit of a spin on this idea. I'd have July 1st take you to a separate page where you can put in bids on a variety of players and then advance an hour (from noon to 1pm EST). Some of the players accept your offers, some reject them for offers other teams have made, and some hold out but tell you who they're leaning towards signing. You can have say 5-6 turns of this (5-6 hours in game time) before the day ends. Maybe have the same thing on July 2nd and then things return to normal. That way you can have same of the realism of how fast players go on July 1st/2nd.
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Interesting idea! I could also see something like that being done for trade deadline day.
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Agree, I like that idea.
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bruins72 wrote:Interesting idea! I could also see something like that being done for trade deadline day.
Yeah, I would definitely love to see something similar for trade deadline day.
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I would like (someday) to see Player Agents in the game.
Like the players and hockey staff already in the game the Agents could have their own different skill attributes that rise/fall with experience.
Player knowledge, he knows that Crosby is worth 100X Boogaard.
Contract negotiation skills, better money and terms for his client.
Reputation, what player wouldn't want a high profile Agent that has a great track record?
Experience, this could increase his other Agent attributes slowly over time.
Ego, this attribute could be a negative factor during negotiations....who wants to deal with a jack@ss!
It think it would be very interesting to negotiate with a veteran Agent and down the line to an Agent who is just starting his career, great possibilities for realism.

I don't know if this would ever be possible....just saying.
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How about some longer contracts? If Eric Staal is a free agent at age 26, he shouldn't sign a two-year deal.
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Less one-way contracts for AHL-quality players, too.
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Taking players to arbitration would be cool (I think from memory in EHM it was only the player who could initiate this process).
Being able to front load/back load contracts in a way to minimise cap problems would be interesting too... of course you can try this in EHM but it would be nice if we could counter a player's request with "here's the same money and the same term, but spread out differently". Hope my meaning is clear.
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in EHM the AI seems to never resign players and you see 10-15 superstars in free agency so hopefully you can make the AI use there heads with expiring contracts
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....and RFAs, too. Very few of these should go unsigned and become unrestricted yet a lot do in EHM.
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What i think would be great is if your owner (assuming they in the game) says "i want you to sign player x. do whatever it takes" and if you say no then depending on your rep/past experience/the personallity of your GM there could be big trouble.

i've always wanted owners because they stick their big noses into the GMs business, especially during Free Agency and it can cause big problems where the GM gets blamed.

Would be cool if russian and/or european players threats to go to the KHL .

Also i'd love to see bigtime and small time players contact you as the GM saying they'd like to play for your team (be it because of your winning record or location or other players on your team). This happened the odd time with small league players in EHM but not nearly enough.
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Couldn't your owner suggestion be worked into the board expectations like we have in EHM? Your board could tell you that they would like to see you make a big splash in free agency or they could tell you that they'd like you to target a specific player. If you don't do this, if could affect how you stand with them (currently they tell you that they're "extremely pleased with you" but it could drop a level if you don't follow through on their wishes).
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I like this idea. It should probably also apply to re-signings of players with expiring contracts, eg: "The board recommends you retain the services of player X as they are a valuable member of the organisation".

Maybe the extent to which the board interferes could be determined in order for there to be some variation from team to team. Some owners are more likely to interfere with GMs than others in real life. Maybe when you take over as GM of a team the board will indicate how much of a 'free reign' they will give you - perhaps if you select 'hall of famer' (thinking in purely EHM terms) they will give you total autonomy, but if you create yourself as a young/inexperienced GM, they will be more likely to interfere. Just an idea.
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GM reputation would be a good way to influence owner/board interference.
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