Remove RFA offer

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dabo
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Remove RFA offer

Post by dabo »

Hi,

Is it possible to remove (in-game or in an editor) an offer made to an RFA player? Never offered an RFA player a contract before so I was gonna see what was gonna happen. When you try to sign UFA players you can accept or decline once a contract has been accepted but not this time apparently.

The player's contract is > $4M which means I went over the cap and lost 2 1st rounders, 1 2nd rounder and 1 3rd rounder. I am in rebuild mode so this is a major set back if there is no way to remove the offer. My backup save game is too old to revert back to (pre draft). I can go back to where the player hasn't accepted the offer yet but not before the offer was made.
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Post by laskey 16 »

This isn't something I've tested, but if you could revert back to before the player has accepted the offer then you might be able to trade one of the picks that you would lose as compensation to another team in a trade. This would, I'd imagine, mean that the RFA signing could not occur as you wouldn't have the picks to do the deal.
Might work, I don't know.

Edit - Failing that, maybe use the saved game editor to raise the player in question's reputation to as high as possible, could I think make him more likely to reject the offer (unless it's a really good one). Also, maybe as a last resort, add yourself as the GM of the team that holds his rights... I think this would cancel the deal. But as with all of these ideas I've never tested them out!
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Post by dabo »

I traded my 2011th 1st rounder but the signing was still accepted. Instead of giving my first rounder in 2011 and 2012 as compensation, they got the first rounder in 2012 and 2013. :-(

EDIT: Thanks a lot, I managed to fix this in an acceptable way. I added myself as the other team's GM and released the rights to the player (I could not match the offer since it said something about "the player has already accepted an offer from another team"). Then when the player signed for my real team he signed as an UFA (no picks lost). I then traded him back to the other team along with my 7th rounder for their 7th rounder (could not trade him back for nothing).
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Post by dabo »

Could not edit the other post again...

As the last thing, I then swopped the 7th rounders again. Only thing that is different now is that the Islanders might get a different GM, but that is ok. :)
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Post by laskey 16 »

Good stuff :thup:
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Post by RomaGoth »

I have never signed a player in this situation, where I had to give up picks. I could be wrong here, but doesn't the signing have to finalized prior to actually happening? Can't you just cancel it at that point?
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Post by bruins72 »

I haven't tried it either but what RomaGoth says makes sense to me.
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Post by laskey 16 »

No, for some reason if you make an RFA an offer via offersheet and he accepts the move goes straight through without asking for "confirm", "delay" or "decline". I can't remember on this one but I also think if the AI makes an offer to one of your RFAs there's no facility to match it. One of the very few weak spots of EHM.
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Post by Richie Daggers Crime »

It makes sense that you can't withdraw a RFA offer, since the matching mechanism would be broken if you could just walk away. You'd effectively be forcing salary onto other teams without having any risk.

Also, as far as I know, the AI doesn't tender offer sheets to other teams RFAs at all. I recall this being talked about as a minor bug back when the game was newish.
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Post by jbsnadb »

There are some major problems with the RFA AI.

First, as mentioned above, the AI does not make offers to RFAs. Period. They will either be signed by you, or signed away into a different league, but never by another NHL team.

Second, I came across a nice little bug (and one not so nice) in my latest stint as GM of the St. Louis Blues. I was unable to sign David Backes after the second season, but I qualified him and he became an RFA. He was awarded $3.5 mil or so in arbitration, but since this was over $1m above what I didn't want to pay him in the first place. I walked away from the judgment.

Funny thing was, he was now showing on my roster at the new salary. So, I promptly traded him away for three cheaper options to round out my roster, thinking I was giving his exclusive rights to Atlanta in the deal. WRONG! Backes became a UFA the next day, and Atlanta was screwed. He ended up signing with Columbus and burning me in the playoffs.

Then of course, if the bug that has been brought up, but really burns me now that it's happened to me. The following year, I was having trouble resigning Alex Pietrangelo and Lars Eller. Pietrangelo (in Lidas 2.3) was making gaudy money for his age (and experience) at over $3m per year ending in 2009. So I figured I would qualify him and try to sign him cheaper over the summer. Eller was coming off a second straight solid season (51 pts., +11) and was due for a raise, but we were unable to come to terms on the long-term deal.

Anyway, summer rolls around, and Pietrangelo is only asking for $1.4m/3 yr. deal, so I offer it to him. The next day, both he AND Eller are declared UFA and I lost them both to the Kings and Rangers respectively.
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Re: Remove RFA offer

Post by Jumbotron92 »

Had the exact same problem with my Jets. Just came off a surprising cup win as a 6th seed, after winning 3 7-game series and one 6-game series. Tuukka Rask played absolutely lights out and posted a .931 after a .901 regular season, and pulled out a lot of close wins for the team even though we were heavily outshot like 3/4 of the time, outduelling Thomas, Fleury, Lundy, then Luongo. Kane-Little-Antropov top line was amazing, Wheeler stepped up and produced a lot on the PP, Macenauer deservingly won the Selke, and the deadline acquisition of Pitkanen really paid off as he really clicked with Buff and put up a 8.37 avr in the playoffs.

However, after the season, Bogo and Little both went to restricted free agency after turning down multiple offers. They were qualified, but on July 2nd their rights expired for some mysterious reason. Luckily I was able to retain Little with a very generous offer, but Bogo ended up signing with the Habs. So now I'm all of sudden really thin on right-side defensemen...
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