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Ogilthorpe wrote:Here is a list of Hockey Leagues:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ice_hockey_leagues
That list is outstanding as far as North America is concerned, but has many leagues missing when you go elsewhere in the world (which is easily understandable). Still, that's an excellent list to begin with :thup: .

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YZG wrote:

That list is outstanding as far as North America is concerned, but has many leagues missing when you go elsewhere in the world (which is easily understandable). Still, that's an excellent list to begin with :thup: .

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This site has a lot of info on European teams, not sure how complete it is:

http://www.eurohockey.net/teams/
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Are you going to make college leagues playable? That would be awesome! College teams exist in EHM but if I remember correct there ain't even a league for them :/
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As long as we have all the information needed I don't see why not. I don't know how the college leagues work, if we need to make the league structure more flexible or not.
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Another good site for teams and rosters is: Elite Prospects

They have many of the top leagues from around Europe on there. With extensive leagues from Sweden and North America.

Hope it helps to some degree.
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So Dabo, what did you think about the finances? In EHM they are terrible! (Well I talk about Europe, not sure about Sweden/Finland, but for KHL, post soviet leagues and other minor european leagues the situation is terrible)
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To be honest I haven't thought about it at all, this is an area I have pretty much 0 knowledge in. What do you want? and what is terrible in EHM?
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Signing Sandis Ozolinsh at Dinamo Riga for 60.000 euro. He makes 10x.
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dabo wrote:To be honest I haven't thought about it at all, this is an area I have pretty much 0 knowledge in. What do you want? and what is terrible in EHM?
Forbes Magazine does a fantastic job of summing up reports for the NHL. There is alot there but it might give you an idea or two.

What i'd love to see to start with is screen with a breakdown (of every season) with your basic average attendence, Salary Cap/Player Expences shown clearly (showing the exact amount of cap space) and if a team is making money of losing and how much. It would be neat to have that info included with their basic standings. - might be difficult to do that but i love that in ootp.

OOTP actually does a good job of summing it up year-by-year. Something similar would be fantastic at one point.
http://yfrog.com/5yootpp

Then adding things like league wide profit/loss, league wide avg contract and other league wide average expenses/income. (merchandise, tv rights, etc) . Again, not really essential but cool to see and watch evolve.
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This is the topic that goes closest for the thing in my mind. So I was wondering if teams can become amateur -> semi-pro -> pro. This came to my mind from another topic in this forum. In EHM this isn't so, or at least I got that picture. And the change in my opinion would come when you sign full time contract instead of part time contracts and maybe some other things combined.
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Saapas wrote:This is the topic that goes closest for the thing in my mind. So I was wondering if teams can become amateur -> semi-pro -> pro. This came to my mind from another topic in this forum. In EHM this isn't so, or at least I got that picture. And the change in my opinion would come when you sign full time contract instead of part time contracts and maybe some other things combined.

I'd LOVE that too. From amateur to pro, and back to amateur if a long string of badlucks/mismanagements sink the team.

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I wouldn't mind so much if this game is released with just 1 playable league! But it seems that there will be many (being able to play in Nigeria is something I look forward to as previously stated!) BUT please include the Asia Hockey League!

Thanks Dabo and Co.

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Asian league would be SICK
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Alessandro wrote:Asian league would be SICK
The way I get the project, there seems to be no reason why the Asia League wouldn't be in. Actually, there's not even a reason why the various Japanese University leagues and championships, All-Japan Championship, All-Korea Championship, Korean Championship, J-Ice North and J-Ice West - to name a few - wouldn't be in as well :) All what's needed is someone willing to research small/obscure leagues worldwide, which I am.

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Härligt projekt du har på G här Dabo, hade jag varit rikare för tillfället hade jag gärna skjutit till med en donation.

Would be cool if Div 1 in Sweden would be playable, and it would enhance gameplay for clubs in Allsvenskan aswell when scouting for bodies to fill out the season rosters.
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ubbestubben wrote:Härligt projekt du har på G här Dabo, hade jag varit rikare för tillfället hade jag gärna skjutit till med en donation.

Would be cool if Div 1 in Sweden would be playable, and it would enhance gameplay for clubs in Allsvenskan aswell when scouting for bodies to fill out the season rosters.
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YZG wrote:
Saapas wrote:This is the topic that goes closest for the thing in my mind. So I was wondering if teams can become amateur -> semi-pro -> pro. This came to my mind from another topic in this forum. In EHM this isn't so, or at least I got that picture. And the change in my opinion would come when you sign full time contract instead of part time contracts and maybe some other things combined.

I'd LOVE that too. From amateur to pro, and back to amateur if a long string of badlucks/mismanagements sink the team.

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This happened alot in North america back in the olden days. Alot of the AHL teams came from lower levels, and even some NHL teams were in other leagues before hand. Although most don't go back down to other leagues ----because if they stop to exist in a higher level its because they're bankrupt. Say if the AHL is looking to expand we've seen ECHL teams that are financially healthy move up. But like i said before, if it doesn't work out they won't go back down to the ECHL, because the owners end up selling and the teams moves or goes bankrupt.

That would be pretty awesome! It would be great to in some type of commish mode you can force this to happen (another thing in ootp -_- ) i know i keep referenceing ootp and it must get annoying but a game like EHM with the customization of ootp is the ideal game for me!
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YZG wrote:
Saapas wrote:This is the topic that goes closest for the thing in my mind. So I was wondering if teams can become amateur -> semi-pro -> pro. This came to my mind from another topic in this forum. In EHM this isn't so, or at least I got that picture. And the change in my opinion would come when you sign full time contract instead of part time contracts and maybe some other things combined.

I'd LOVE that too. From amateur to pro, and back to amateur if a long string of badlucks/mismanagements sink the team.

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This happened alot in North america back in the olden days. Alot of the AHL teams came from lower levels, and even some NHL teams were in other leagues before hand. Although most don't go back down to other leagues ----because if they stop to exist in a higher level its because they're bankrupt. Say if the AHL is looking to expand we've seen ECHL teams that are financially healthy move up. But like i said before, if it doesn't work out they won't go back down to the ECHL, because the owners end up selling and the teams moves or goes bankrupt.

That would be pretty awesome! It would be great to in some type of commish mode you can force this to happen (another thing in ootp -_- ) i know i keep referenceing ootp and it must get annoying but a game like EHM with the customization of ootp is the ideal game for me!
Well, the back to amateur part was more a reference to European hockey, where it's still possible to get relegated to lower leagues and lose pro status if circumstances require it. I agree with you, OOTP has brought many innovations that make a sim game a totally different gaming experience. Getting some into this project would be awesome.

What I'd like the most, the above being a part of it, and I must have said so a million times already, is a dynamic, evolving game world. Leagues with increasing/decreasing reputations that could, over decades, challenge the NHL for the title of top league in the world and the greatest players, new nations that start developping hockey programs, other nations that just get much better and start regularly performing well against Big Seven nations or even become one (EHM can't emulate the current rise of the likes of Denmark and Switzerland, nor Czech Republic and Slovakia's decline), teams that fold for various reasons, new teams that get founded to replace them, leagues adopting new rules, heck why not even scandals tarnishing player/staff/team reputations... all those things could make a game interesting/fascinating (for me at last) over many dozens of seasons, unlike EHM, where you've rather soon done and seen everything. That game was engineered to be static and it was one of its biggest weaknesses.


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yes, i understand it's more for euro leagues; all i'm saying is that it could be applied in the north american leagues as well, but it would have to done alittle different.


A dynamic world as you mentioned would be awesome, but at the same time too giving the user the ability to force things if he so chooses in his game would be even better on top of that :) . Keep in mind though that football manager just added a dynamic world feature in their latest version, so that took them years and multiple versions before they got to that...that's the sad news.
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dave1927p wrote: A dynamic world as you mentioned would be awesome, but at the same time too giving the user the ability to force things if he so chooses in his game would be even better on top of that :) . Keep in mind though that football manager just added a dynamic world feature in their latest version, so that took them years and multiple versions before they got to that...that's the sad news.
I agree wih you. And since it's probably much easier to implement massive customization than natural dynamics, that's the target to aim at first. The surprise effect won't be there, but it's already much better than EHM :)

You're right about FM. I did not try FM 11 yet, so I don't know how well they implemented it. But quite honestly, I don't really know whether it took so long because it's a really difficult thing or because it was just low on their priority list. A mix of both, maybe. I suppose that adding a "reputation" value to each entity in-game, including that variable in all things calculated in game and giving a value to be added to removed from these whenever something happens in-game is not painstakingly difficult. But I know darn well how things often look easier to do than they actually are ;)

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http://109.123.95.25/forums/index.php < International Hockey Forums

That site should be a great place for research into leagues, salaries and all sorts of stuff
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CeeBee wrote:On the subject of league structure and schedules. It would be nice if both options are database customizable. The number of teams, divisions, and conferences as well as the schedule... How many time each team plays in division, conference or league. Then it would be even possible to recreate the old 6 team NHL or any setup the NHL or for that matter any playable league has had over the years. :-D :thup: :-D
Going off this, i could develop a database system that could infact make literally everything editable, in theory at least, seeing how it goes
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