Scouting Talk

Post by **CeeBee** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:22 pm

I have a shortlist question to which I can't seem to find an answer. Is there any way to remove players from your own team that end up on the shortlist. I can easliy remove players from other teams including my farm teams but if the player is on my teams roster the option to remove from shortlist is not there. Thanks

The Forsberg Fan · Post by **The Forsberg Fan** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:25 pm

CeeBee wrote:I have a shortlist question to which I can't seem to find an answer. Is there any way to remove players from your own team that end up on the shortlist. I can easliy remove players from other teams including my farm teams but if the player is on my teams roster the option to remove from shortlist is not there. Thanks

If the player is on your team it isnt possible to be on your shortlist ?

Post by **Manimal** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:29 pm

CeeBee wrote:I have a shortlist question to which I can't seem to find an answer. Is there any way to remove players from your own team that end up on the shortlist. I can easliy remove players from other teams including my farm teams but if the player is on my teams roster the option to remove from shortlist is not there. Thanks

You can configure your shortlist. There you can choose not to 'include own'

Post by **CeeBee** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:02 pm

Thanks Manimal

I've configured searches and scouting before but never thought to look for it in the shortlist.

markiemark66 · Post by **markiemark66** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:56 pm

Hey all, I have searched and read and have not come with a satisfactory answer to my question.

Besides judging potential and judging ability which stats are important for a scout? I thought I read somewhere that determination is important. Adaptability? Are the coaching attributes important? How about tactical?

The reason I ask is that it seems like my scouts offer varying opinions on players where their judging abilities are roughly the same. I started seeing Charlie Hodge, the head scout, saying certain players were potential 3rd liners where all other scouts claimed they wouldn't even graduate to fringe roles. Well that was just before he retired so I can't validate this anyways.

Thanks all. EHM 2007 kicks major butt! There are so many levels to this game.

markiemark66 · Post by **markiemark66** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:10 pm

I found the answers in the manual pg. 29

"Scouts: Scouting is discussed in far greater deal in Sections 8.0 and 10.0, but when
looking for a scout you should primarily look for people with high ratings in
Judging Ability and Potential. These are two areas you should consider as ‘musthaves’.
Scouts strong in Tactical Knowledge, Working With Youngster, and any
coaching attributes are very attractive to potential suitors as it’s likely they’ll have a
stronger and more thorough understanding of hockey and as such will be giving
more informed reports."

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:01 pm

Looks like you found your answer. I know I like to look for a scout with high Judging Ability and Tactical Knowledge to do my "Next Opponent" scouting. When it gives you the breakdown of the team you're going to play it will give you some tactical insight as well.

markiemark66 · Post by **markiemark66** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:46 am

bruins72, thanks for the response. I have just inched closer to the goal of dominating this game... oh wait it is the other way around. Like Chris in the morning said, "Man becomes the food of the divinity he worships."

bruinsfan27 · Post by **bruinsfan27** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:20 pm

Has anyone found many players make it after your scouts saying they have limited potential? I usually don't pay much attention to scouting reports, but I noticed it on his and I am pushing for one of my seventh round picks to make it

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harmonica · Post by **harmonica** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:43 pm

bruinsfan27 wrote:Has anyone found many players make it after your scouts saying they have limited potential? I usually don't pay much attention to scouting reports, but I noticed it on his and I am pushing for one of my seventh round picks to make it .

I have found some make it. Especially those with good mental stats. But obviously it is harder. The thing is, those with low potential are good as they can take small salaries, take on 4th line minutes and still be happy.

Sometimes you just really want to work hard on making a player good. For guys with limited potential I keep them in the jrs until 20, 2 years in ECHL and 3 years in the AHL, with a lot of dedication to their training. They are role players and ussually defensive. Normally they have trouble making the NHL on my team for more than a year or so, other than for call up duty. But I would rather have them playing my 4th line than a high potential rookie. I generally release them in to the wild because I would rather have high end role players that I score for cheap in the offseason. Tracking their careers is fun, especially because they wouldn't have them without me.

A big thing is getting them minutes and putting them with better players. Prepare to have them constantly showing up as the most overrated as their reputation with soon out weigh their CA/PA.

I currently have a few in my system now for my current game. The biggest issue I have is how much micromanaging it requires as I don't have the time that I used to have, so it becomes a struggle not to skip out on this fun aspect of the game.

I used to try and create these players to have them as life long AHL players for my farm team, especially those with good leadership. I would do this for LW, RW, C and D (skipping goalie) to help pad my lines, instead of just signing former NHLers to help ramp up my young guys stats.

Its easy to forget this whole aspect and just focus on the NHL level, but some of the most fun I have had is bringing guys up from within the ECHL and AHL. At one point I also had a OHL team that I would stack with my players and start their developement there as well.

Loner · Post by **Loner** » Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:41 pm

My scouting strategies has changed a lot over the years and it's always evolving.

Currently I sent my top 4 scout for draft, at least 3 times on intensive and 1-2 times on normal. I've permanent scouts in USA, Canada, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, Central Europe, AHL, NHL and next opponent. One scout is permanently assigned to north america for guys aged 20-24, I keep him filtered to No NHL right. The last 2 are for day to day scouting, they do everything from scouting my team, farms, my prospects and special missions.

I also take a lot of pleasure to sign/draft underrated defensive forward that still perform well in the a defensive role in the NHL even with a low PA. Instead to draft a third line offensive forward in the late round I prefer to take guys that I know will perform well with limited ice time and in a defensive role.

mig174 · Post by **mig174** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:11 pm

Scouting is relatively easy, especially on SP. Sign everyone with JPt > 17, provided JA >=15/16.

Then, just send the scouts permanently to:
Leagues: WHL, OHL, QMJHL, USHL, ECAC, WCHA, CCHA
Countries: Russia, Sweden, Czech Republic (age between 12 and 24, NOT ignoring well known)
Regions: Scandinavia, Eastern Europe (age between 12 and 24, NOT ignoring well known)

Check these scouts' reports periodically and add players you are interested in to shortlist.

You should have 2-3 scouts remaining. Use the weakest to scout next opposition. Use the strongest to intensively scout draft. And rotate the other through AHL/ECHL/semi-pro leagues like CIS. Unlikely you'll find people there you don't already know about.

This should net you just about ALL the players that you might be interested in at draft day with minimal work.

Loosie · Post by **Loosie** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:09 am

CeeBee wrote:Thanks Manimal I've configured searches and scouting before but never thought to look for it in the shortlist.

Just and FYI. Any player you offer a contract to will automatically be added to the shortlist. Including anyone invited to training camp. I usually end up clearing my shortlist every year. I use is mostly for the NHL Draft.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:08 pm

Loosie wrote:
CeeBee wrote:Thanks Manimal I've configured searches and scouting before but never thought to look for it in the shortlist.
Just and FYI. Any player you offer a contract to will automatically be added to the shortlist. Including anyone invited to training camp. I usually end up clearing my shortlist every year. I use is mostly for the NHL Draft.

Yeah, I really wish there were multiple shortlists (not saving and loading various shortlists). I'd like one shortlist just for the upcoming draft. Then another for potential trade targets. Something like that.

RomaGoth · Post by **RomaGoth** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:33 pm

I couldn't find anything after a search, so here is my question:

What exactly do the scouting characteristics mean for a player? I am referring to things like: "ambitious/unambitious", "relaxed", "weak character", "slack", "professional", "dour", and several others that show up on scouting reports. Generally speaking, do these really affect a player, just like they do in real life? For example, if a scouting report says a player is unambitious, does that mean he doesn't care about personal success?

Also, how important is determination and work rate? I tend to avoid players that are below an "8" in either of these attributes, and I always avoid them if both attributes are below an "8".

Anyone here with knowledge of these traits that can offer some insight?

As always, thanks in advance!

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:51 pm

Those scouting characteristics are just verbal descriptions of mental and staff attributes. Some are hidden and some are visible. If you fire up the pre-game editor, you'll see what I mean. The ambitious one relates to the hidden "ambition" attribute, which is a measure of the player's ambition to win championships. I think relaxed relates to the "aggression" attribute. Professional relates to the hidden "professionalism" attribute. I'm not sure about dour. Anyhow, if you familiarize yourself with the various mental attributes (both visible and hidden) you'll probably be able to make sense of the characteristics you get in the scouting report. I wish I had a list of them and how they relate to each attribute and it's value. Anyhow, they are important because they speak of the player's mental characteristics.

I'm a big fan of determination and work rate. I avoid players with low values in these attributes too. There is some importance to them but I'm sure a player can also be successful without them.

RomaGoth · Post by **RomaGoth** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:38 am

bruins72 wrote:Those scouting characteristics are just verbal descriptions of mental and staff attributes. Some are hidden and some are visible. If you fire up the pre-game editor, you'll see what I mean. The ambitious one relates to the hidden "ambition" attribute, which is a measure of the player's ambition to win championships. I think relaxed relates to the "aggression" attribute. Professional relates to the hidden "professionalism" attribute. I'm not sure about dour. Anyhow, if you familiarize yourself with the various mental attributes (both visible and hidden) you'll probably be able to make sense of the characteristics you get in the scouting report. I wish I had a list of them and how they relate to each attribute and it's value. Anyhow, they are important because they speak of the player's mental characteristics.

I have used the editor and am familiar with the attributes, I was just wondering what, if any, impact they actually have in-game.

bruins72 wrote:I'm a big fan of determination and work rate. I avoid players with low values in these attributes too. There is some importance to them but I'm sure a player can also be successful without them.

A good example of this is Robert Lang in the original database. His determination and work rate are both below 10, but he always, always, always plays well for me in the first season or two of a new game. In fact, he usually has an average rating of between 8.5 - 9.0. I just wonder how much impact the determination/work rate attributes have on young guys who are developing.....

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:47 pm

RomaGoth wrote: I have used the editor and am familiar with the attributes, I was just wondering what, if any, impact they actually have in-game.

Sure, they have an effect. If a player is ambitious and you've got a team that doesn't make the playoffs a couple years in a row, he could demand a trade. If a player is unprofessional and you discipline him missing a practice, he could throw a fit. Loyalty affects how easy the player is to re-sign. Every attribute has some sort of effect on the game. I don't think they've thrown any unused ones in there.

RomaGoth wrote:
bruins72 wrote:I'm a big fan of determination and work rate. I avoid players with low values in these attributes too. There is some importance to them but I'm sure a player can also be successful without them.
A good example of this is Robert Lang in the original database. His determination and work rate are both below 10, but he always, always, always plays well for me in the first season or two of a new game. In fact, he usually has an average rating of between 8.5 - 9.0. I just wonder how much impact the determination/work rate attributes have on young guys who are developing.....

Even a player with a lower determination and work rate can perform well if used the right way.

I haven't heard it confirmed by Riz or anyone at SI (in fact several attributes have rather vague descriptions) but I've always thought that a young player with a high determination had a better development than one without. Teamwork has more to do with how well the player functions as a cohesive unit with his linemates. A player with a lower teamwork rating might be the type with a star attitude of being a one-man show.

Loosie · Post by **Loosie** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:38 pm

bruins72 wrote:I'm a big fan of determination and work rate. I avoid players with low values in these attributes too. There is some importance to them but I'm sure a player can also be successful without them.

Same here, that and the Consistency rating in regens.

MKoivuFan · Post by **MKoivuFan** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:47 pm

I am scouting a player in my OHl story that im going to post but my question is... I have a player that is coming up in the OHL draft... His Place of Birth is North York, ON but his nationality is CAN / SUI... My questions is if i did end up drafting him and he turns 17/18 and he doesn't make the CAN U-20 team is it possible he can be added to the Swiss team?

MKoivuFan · Post by **MKoivuFan** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:27 am

My questions is about scouting... I am about to start as Victoria Royals but use the old roster and none of the current players are on the team type thing... My question is if i send a scout to go scout BCHL< AMJHL, MJHL, SJHL, AMHL, SMHL, BCMM, and the MMHL do u think between the earliest start date from August 2nd to end of August 30th u will be able to come up with a good scouting list of players to invite to ur main camp... Like how long does it take to scout each league.. Because normally what i do is soon as i start the game i scout each of those teams 16-18 yr olds and invite the better players

Post by **Manimal** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:04 pm

MKoivuFan wrote:My questions is about scouting... I am about to start as Victoria Royals but use the old roster and none of the current players are on the team type thing... My question is if i send a scout to go scout BCHL< AMJHL, MJHL, SJHL, AMHL, SMHL, BCMM, and the MMHL do u think between the earliest start date from August 2nd to end of August 30th u will be able to come up with a good scouting list of players to invite to ur main camp... Like how long does it take to scout each league.. Because normally what i do is soon as i start the game i scout each of those teams 16-18 yr olds and invite the better players

I moved your post here from the Dabo thread.

MKoivuFan · Post by **MKoivuFan** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:35 am

Manimal wrote:
MKoivuFan wrote:My questions is about scouting... I am about to start as Victoria Royals but use the old roster and none of the current players are on the team type thing... My question is if i send a scout to go scout BCHL< AMJHL, MJHL, SJHL, AMHL, SMHL, BCMM, and the MMHL do u think between the earliest start date from August 2nd to end of August 30th u will be able to come up with a good scouting list of players to invite to ur main camp... Like how long does it take to scout each league.. Because normally what i do is soon as i start the game i scout each of those teams 16-18 yr olds and invite the better players
I moved your post here from the Dabo thread.

my bad manimal... i should had paid attention more as i searched at the top and found scouting i should have looked outside of dub my bad

MKoivuFan · Post by **MKoivuFan** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:54 am

how long does it take a scout to scout a league

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:16 pm

It really depends on how intensely you have them set to scout it. Also, leagues have a different amount of time required than teams, countries, or regions. It also varies depending on which league you're scouting. When you go to tell a scout to scout a league, it actually tells you how long it's going to take. For example, if I tell one of my scouts to scout the ECHL, a regular scouting trip with take 3 weeks but an intensive search will take 2 months. It says it right there on the screen where I'm assigning the scout.

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