1974/75: Nino's Rosters - Mario Lemieux as an 8 year old

[Manimal]

Try this one for Sweden.
http://stats.swehockey.se/
Click on Historical databases, Players by team and then the league/team/year you want
Elitserien=Elite League

[nino33]

Try this one for Sweden.
http://stats.swehockey.se/
Click on Historical databases, Players by team and then the league/team/year you want
Elitserien=Elite League

Thanks Manimal!

Alas I did lose a lot of work (must have deleted the wrong file), and I'll be lucky to be '"back where I was" before the next weekend...oh well, I've come this far

A quick "update"

I am about 75% completed removing all Player History from all NHL/AHL historical players (deals with "waiver issue" for now) AND about 75% completed reducing CA/PA worldwide for all "modern" players AND about 50% done adjusting European/Russian historical players (to keep Europeans/Russians in Europe/Russia for a few years)...still need to deal with about 200 players "hidden" on the Atlanta Thrashers/Cleveland Barons/Dallas Stars/Nashville Predators from earlier editing (1976 to 1974), most need to go onto Major Junior teams + I need to need to finish placing historical staff (Assistant Coach/Scout/Physio).....THEN I will be back to where I was; redoing work is not fun but I do feel really good about the end result

AND because I didn't want to spend all my time "redoing things I've already done", I've been working on changing teams (as you already know, WHL/OHL done) + I've been working on NHL Staff (removing "modern staff" I'd been unable to edit using "Invalid" seems to be working! Looks like I'll have no known modern staff in-game! + looking at adjusting the Attributes of historical Chairman/GM/Head Coach in an effort to create more historically realistic teams)
AND in looking into things further I do not like what the game engine does in regards to Contract $ Amounts and this for sure will have to be edited manually (way to many players making less than $1.0M, and very few 2.0M-4.5M)

Back to editing...

I've been reading about Team Budgets/Salary/Cash on Hand and there are posts indicating editing these values "doesn't work" AND there are posts indicating it does if you edit team salaries to "match" budget.....I've been wondering if people have not had the Chairman Attributes and the Team Attributes "match" and that's why there's been issues.......can anyone give me any insight on this? Does editing work regarding team finances? How must it be done?


Regards

P.S. I "reread" the entire Pre-Game Editor thread last night.....I read it last summer, and things are really different now since the site redesign as threads have been pulled apart and repasted together and there are things in there that weren't there before (some of my issues have been encountered by others + I got some insight regarding Staff).....just thought I'd mention this because "I thought I'd read the thread already, and taken notes!" so I thought I didn't need to reread it, but I've since learned that's not necessarily the case!

[Manimal]

I am about 75% completed removing all Player History from all NHL/AHL historical players (deals with "waiver issue" for now)

Make sure you remove number on the *Player info* tab, as well. I think that one is the deciding factor, not the history tab itself

removing "modern staff" I'd been unable to edit using "Invalid" seems to be working!

Awesome!

AND in looking into things further I do not like what the game engine does in regards to Contract $ Amounts and this for sure will have to be edited manually (way to many players making less than $1.0M, and very few 2.0M-4.5M)

What will you have the salary cap at?

I've been reading about Team Budgets/Salary/Cash on Hand and there are posts indicating editing these values "doesn't work" AND there are posts indicating it does if you edit team salaries to "match" budget.....I've been wondering if people have not had the Chairman Attributes and the Team Attributes "match" and that's why there's been issues.......can anyone give me any insight on this? Does editing work regarding team finances? How must it be done?

All I remember is that if you want to raise a team's budget, they have to use it all as salaries or otherwise it will be lower than what was edited.

P.S. I "reread" the entire Pre-Game Editor thread last night.....I read it last summer, and things are really different now since the site redesign as threads have been pulled apart and repasted together and there are things in there that weren't there before (some of my issues have been encountered by others + I got some insight regarding Staff).....just thought I'd mention this because "I thought I'd read the thread already, and taken notes!" so I thought I didn't need to reread it, but I've since learned that's not necessarily the case!

Good point! Maybe I should re-read it some time

[nino33]

nino33 wrote:
I am about 75% completed removing all Player History from all NHL/AHL historical players (deals with "waiver issue" for now)
Manimal wrote:
Make sure you remove number on the *Player info* tab, as well. I think that one is the deciding factor, not the history tab itself

I am deleting the Player Info tab too! Ideally I want to eventually add the actual Player History for every player too, but the Player History tab is not always editable. I kept track as I went and there are 119 players that I need to "switch" with Retired/Invalid players with a "working" Player History tab. For each player I'm clearing the Player Info tab (always works) and the Player History tab (usually works).

What will you have the salary cap at?

At this point I think the cap will be the same as it was in 2006-07 since I think the game-engine is set up to run the game that way (I've never read about anyone successfully making significant NHL Salary Cap adjustments, but I have read such efforts "didn't really work").....the issue I had with everything set at "0" is the game made 4-5 players $5.0M/year players and the rest of the team made less than $1.0M on most every team (Bobby Hull was given $800K while others on the team were given millions)


Regards

[Moses Doughty]

There should be some way to completely remove the cap. The 1998-99 db has no cap whatsoever, though I wouldnt know what you need to do to change it.

[Tyees]

There should be some way to completely remove the cap. The 1998-99 db has no cap whatsoever, though I wouldnt know what you need to do to change it.

You just set it in the extra config file to "0"

It seems no matter what you set the cap to, the game auto adjusts contract amounts.

[nino33]

Removing the cap is easy (Salary Cap is found in the transfer_rules_config file, where you can edit/delete it as desired), and I've done some testing already with/without a cap....what really seems to matter is team budget/finances; if the team budget is $10.0M under the cap that team won't have salaries total near the cap (they'll total near the budget) AND when player salary is set to "0" the game engine produces way to many low salaries and very few mid-range salaries (while staying close to team budget/finances).

I've never seen the 1998-99 db so I don't know what was done to it, but from my reading/testing I don't think you can delete JUST the salary cap and have much effect...you need to also modify multiple financial factors (things like Chairman Attributes + Arena/Faciliies Attributes + every individual player's salary on the team + Team Budget/Cash)

Whether I edit salaries/team finances in conjunction with a cap or not I'm honestly 100% sure yet, but I'm not looking to radically alter anything in this area so I'm likely to stay within the 2006-07 salary ranges regardless. I'm quite familiar with the players of the era, so determining appropriate salaries isn't to hard IMO.


Regards

[pens66]

I think if you set a player's salary to 0, the game sets the salary according to the player's reputation set in the database.
Give it a try.

[Moses Doughty]

Oh, didn realize making no cap was simple

Nino, if you set the cap to a very large amount and make the budgets around what the cap is while making team cash high you may be able to get players to ask for more money. And the players PA and CA seems to effect the money players ask for(even those with similar stats), and since you lowered CAs/PAs that of the midrange player you might be lowering the salary as well.

[nino33]

I think if you set a player's salary to 0, the game sets the salary according to the player's reputation set in the database.
Give it a try.

That's what I did!....I didn't mean to give the impression that this was a problem/issue; I haven't spent much time on it at all. It was in doing other editing tasks that I also "cleared" all Salary amounts by putting a "0" in for everyone in the NHL (as a starting point for future editing...I often work in multiple steps)....and I was more commenting on what I saw when using "0" - for me doing salaries manually seems easiest/best (I know the players well, and I have all the NHL player Attributes in excel which helps).....and I also use reputation to help me "create/remove" things like 2 Way/No Trade contracts and NHL Release Clauses.

if you set the cap to a very large amount and make the budgets around what the cap is while making team cash high you may be able to get players to ask for more money.

IIRC the "problematic distribution" was evident on both rich/poor teams

the players PA and CA seems to effect the money players ask for(even those with similar stats), and since you lowered CAs/PAs that of the midrange player you might be lowering the salary as well.

The historical NHL players have typical CA/PA numbers, it is modern players (especially in Europe/Russia) that I have lowered the CA/PA on

Regards

[Moses Doughty]

Must have read the lowering CA/PAs wrong. And salaries shouldnt be a big issue as they ask for more and more on a yearly basis

[nino33]

RE TEAM COLOURS

In the Pre-Game Editor there's a "Clubs" tab where you select an individual team, and then each team has a few tabs including "Team Colours".....here's the New York Rangers as an example

HOME
Foreground - NHL Red
Background - NHL Rangers Blue
Trim - White
AWAY
Foreground - NHL Rangers Blue
Background - White
Trim - NHL Red

What I'm wondering is, what exactly does the team colour scheme affect in-game?

I'm thinking it affects the titlebar colours of the different screens in-game (office, team roster, scouting, etc)....does it affect anything else?
And do the differences between "Home" and "Away" show in-game?

Thanks

[Manimal]

RE TEAM COLOURS

What I'm wondering is, what exactly does the team colour scheme affect in-game?

Background color decides the color of your "playing dots" in the game engine

[nino33]

Hello

A brief update...at long last I'm probably about where I was when I lost the work recently!.....though I have been doing "new stuff" too, like the recent editing of WHL/OHL team names

Things llike worldwide "modern" player CA/PA reduction has been once again done, and the historical European/Russian players have been identified, AND in the NHL/AHL the player info/history has been cleared (thus no immediate waiver issues), AND all NHL teams now have a "full" complement of about 20-25 staff (most need to be `named` - current names are Team Name/Position...like "Rangers Coach" or "Rangers Scout")

I'm now just about to start some testing...I've got an excel spreadsheet and I'm looking at height/weight growth as well as CA growth and Attribute development (primarily at age 13-23 at this point).....this will give me a lot of valuable/needed data (and let me actually play a bit of EHM in the proccess!)

Then I'll get back to working directly on editing the 1974 db....."fine tuning" of the historical European/Russian players + finishing the move of players back down to Major Junior (mostly done) + finishing the inputting of neccesary Draft/Rights data + editing the Team Finance Attributes and Management Attributes and Coach (Play Style) Attributes + adding some more "minor hockey'" players ages 8-12.....and then some more testing

And also still need to `name` Staff + rename QMJHL/AHL teams...

Regards

[nino33]

I'm now just about to start some testing...I've got an excel spreadsheet and I'm looking at height/weight growth as well as CA growth and Attribute development (primarily at age 13-23 at this point).....this will give me a lot of valuable/needed data (and let me actually play a bit of EHM in the proccess!)

I'm "done" testing for now, and back working directly on (editing) the 1974 db.....I ran three tests, two for 8 years each and one for 3 years - I used the UUDB 5.0 and looked at 125 different players (players from draft years 1995-2012, ages 12-29).....I hope/plan to "finish" these tests and compile further data in the future, I did learn a lot, but analysis and comment RE player CA progression will have to wait for another time (I really haven't had a chance to look at the data closely yet)

I did learn one very valuable thing - Height and Weight change/growth are pretty much a "one time thing" that happens at start-up.
Just by turning the game on and starting a new career Height/Weight will change for most every player under the age of 21.....this occurs only at start-up, so for example a player 14 years old "grows" at start-up and that is the end of all growth. There are some rare examples of very limited additional growth occuring in the first year (but after start-up), and I think there are at least a couple cases of a player losing weight! Nobody over the age 20 years 10 months ever had any height/weight gain, and nobody (regardless of age) gains any height/weight after the first year or so of play.
As I said I haven't really looked closely at the data yet, so I'm not sure how variable the growth amounts are, but I'm hoping with a little trial and error I can get reasonably close for height/weight for the "historical youth" in the created PeeWee, Atom and Novice Leagues (as well as Bantam/Midget and Major Junior)



Now I'm (back) working on...

....."fine tuning" of the historical European/Russian players + finishing the move of players back down to Major Junior (mostly done) + finishing the inputting of neccesary Draft/Rights data + editing the Team Finance Attributes and Management Attributes and Coach (Play Style) Attributes + adding some more "minor hockey'" players ages 8-12

Regards,
Dwayne

[nino33]

Hello

I'm wondering if there is a guide or flow-chart or something that shows the connectedness of the various Leagues in EHM?
A "hierarchy" of the leagues.....or even IRL websites and/or guides...

In terms of having the kind of knowledge I need to effectively edit, I'm aware of NHL, AHL/ECHL, and Major Junior and that's about it.....so I have some serious gaps in my knowledge!
I do not really understand how Europe/Russia works (mainly I'm looking at the Elite League and "supporting leagues' for Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic/Slovakia and Russia).....
And I don't really understand what leagues "feed" Junior/University...

I have created the most basic of leagues/teams for Tyke, Atom, Novice, and PeeWee (ages 6-12) and for the 1974 db 1.0 they will remain plain basic/functional leagues. BUT I don't want to needlessly create additional (obvious) leagues for the many historical 13-16 year olds that I need to "place" worldwide.....and I know the game already has leagues for this age range; the only really helpful thing I've found thus far is the "OHL Guide for EHM"


Thanks Much

[batdad]

SO you are asking which are the best leagues for kids aged 13-16?

really hard to say.

In Canada everything is divided by region as you know. BC Major Midget, Alberta Major Midget..etc for western provinces are the top leagues. Kids get drafted into juniors out of the various Bantam leagues, PCAHA Bantam, Vancouver Island Bantam, Okanagan Bantam...etc. They just go there as they develop, and then on to Junior in the game.

BCHL, AJHL, SJHL, MJHL...those leagues are the lower leagues to the WHL. And the Junior B leagues are lower to the BCHL (BC example)

As for a guide to this...nothing really that is out there for EHM. The players just travel up the ladder, until they are either out of hockey, and regenerated or graduate to junior leagues, and college leagues.

[batdad]

Ok...so you need Bantam leagues...

Google PCAHA and you get their site and the teams for Bantam and Midget.
Google BC Major Midget and you get their site and their teams.
Google BCHL for Junior A hockey and their teams.
Google PIJHL, KIJHL, VIJHL, and you get the Junior B teams.

Also is a Vancouver Island minor hockey league, Okanagan Mainline Minor hockey, and Kootenay Minor hockey (Cranbrook etc.)
google all of them and you get them

WIth the exception of Major Midget, Junior A and Junior B...the teams will be the same in Novice, Tyke, Atom, Pee Wee and Midget. They are basically all cities in British Columbia, or regions of a city (IE Semiahmoo, Surrey, Cloverdale are all in Surrey BC)...

I will give you PCAHA teams from MIdget down. THe team names are all the same. Except in Bantam it is Bantam AAA, in pee wee Pee Wee AAA and so on and so forth.

Vancouver Thunderbirds
Vancouver Spirit
Burnaby Minor Eagles
Burnaby Winter Club Bruins
North Shore Winter Club Winter Hawks
North Vancouver Storm
West Vancouver Lightning
Squamish (No team name)
Whistler (no team name)
Sunshine Coast
Richmond Blues
Seafair Islanders
South Delta Storm
North Delta (cannot recall team name)
Semiahmoo Ravens
Surrey Thunder
Cloverdale Colts
Aldergrove Kodiaks
Coquitlam Chiefs
Ridge Meadows Rustlers
Abbotsford Hawks
Port Coquitlam Pirates
New Westminster Royals
Hollyburn Huskies

Major Midget teams will take the best players from these associations in regional context that are first year Midget (15), Over that age and they are either moved up to Junior B, Junior A and WHL and the next tier play Major Midget.
Have a look at the site (just google bc major midget) and you will find the teams in the league, and their catchment organizations.

I cannot speak to how Alberta works, but you should find that easily. Same for other provinces.

[nino33]

Thanks for taking the time to reply batdad, it is very appreciated.
Maybe the biggest challenge of doing any kind of retro database is the enormous effort everything takes if you want to try to do it right.....

Do you know the exact age cut offs for Bantam? Is any player born in 1991 eligible to play Bantam? What exactly does it mean to say 15 is the Upper Age Limit? I've always been conccerned such minor errors may cause me db issues (crashes), and so I've always been extra careful/cautious with Upper Age Limits...

Thanks

[batdad]

Today...THe players that are playing in Bantam (2011-12) are born in 1997 and 1998. Pee Wee are 1999 and 2000 born (wow), Midget 1994,95,96.

So in the game Bantam for 2006-07 would be 92 and 93 born kids. Pee Wee would then be 94 and 95. Midget would be 89,90,91.

[nino33]

Thanks again!
I think what I wasn't sure of was whether it mattered WHEN in the year you were born.....I think whether born in March or born in November makes no difference nowadays, but back when I played hockey (late 70s and early 80s) I think it might have mattered WHEN in the year you were born

[Manimal]

I think what I wasn't sure of was whether it mattered WHEN in the year you were born.....I think whether born in March or born in November makes no difference nowadays, but back when I played hockey (late 70s and early 80s) I think it might have mattered WHEN in the year you were born

That only matters when it comes to the drafts. All drafts have a cut-off date(at least IRL). The NHL Entry draft date is sometime in September.
For the league upper age limit it is always birthyear

[Manimal]

Hello

I'm wondering if there is a guide or flow-chart or something that shows the connectedness of the various Leagues in EHM?
A "hierarchy" of the leagues.....or even IRL websites and/or guides...

In terms of having the kind of knowledge I need to effectively edit, I'm aware of NHL, AHL/ECHL, and Major Junior and that's about it.....so I have some serious gaps in my knowledge!
I do not really understand how Europe/Russia works (mainly I'm looking at the Elite League and "supporting leagues' for Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic/Slovakia and Russia).....
And I don't really understand what leagues "feed" Junior/University...

I have created the most basic of leagues/teams for Tyke, Atom, Novice, and PeeWee (ages 6-12) and for the 1974 db 1.0 they will remain plain basic/functional leagues. BUT I don't want to needlessly create additional (obvious) leagues for the many historical 13-16 year olds that I need to "place" worldwide.....and I know the game already has leagues for this age range; the only really helpful thing I've found thus far is the "OHL Guide for EHM"

Thanks Much

In Europe, you can check the editor for Club Competitions. See the abbreviation. The top leagues you probably know. After that they are abbreviated as Swe-2, Swe-3 for example

[archibalduk]

In Europe, you can check the editor for Club Competitions. See the abbreviation. The top leagues you probably know. After that they are abbreviated as Swe-2, Swe-3 for example

For EHM 2004 (and I think also for 2005) there was a brilliant mini wall chart that explained each of the playable leagues and how they were structured (e.g. age limits, promotion/relegation etc). I wonder if there is a PDF version anywhere - it might be worth installing the EHM 2005 demo to see if a PDF version of the manual is included. I've checked my PDF copy of the EHM 2004 manual but the league guide is not included.

[Manimal]

In Europe, you can check the editor for Club Competitions. See the abbreviation. The top leagues you probably know. After that they are abbreviated as Swe-2, Swe-3 for example

For EHM 2004 (and I think also for 2005) there was a brilliant mini wall chart that explained each of the playable leagues and how they were structured (e.g. age limits, promotion/relegation etc). I wonder if there is a PDF version anywhere - it might be worth installing the EHM 2005 demo to see if a PDF version of the manual is included. I've checked my PDF copy of the EHM 2004 manual but the league guide is not included.

There is no league guide in my EHM 2005 PDF manual