1974db Testing Results/Feedback

Post by **CeeBee** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:18 pm

There's quite a few 17 year olds that can be signed. Some mentioned above like Bossy, Wilson as well as Dale McCourt, Mark Napier, Glen Hanlon, Rod Langway etc. I tried signing Kharlamov but I havent advanced far enough to see if he will accept tho I doubt he will as it said he wasn't interested and he can't come till his current contract expires in 2017 anyway. I've fired a few coaches and other personnel and tried to sign some new ones. We will see how that goes as well. My reserve list sits at 25 and my AHL team is only partly populated so I'm not sure what will happen as I advance. The ECHL team seems to have a more complete roster though to me it looks pretty much like the original 2006 db roster. BTW I'm trying the Canucks because I'm more familiar with them and they really suck so it will be a challenge

Now back to playing

Post by **nino33** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:22 pm

Manimal wrote:I've just had a quick glance in the editor but Bossy, Peeters and Doug Wilson all have stats in the Player Info-tab that makes the game see them as veterans. Clear out the Professional Stats and you might see a difference

Doesn't seem to make a difference; looks like it'll be trial and error, and I'll have to recreate and retest again and again.....Grrrrrr
EDIT - Good news! I think I've fixed the issue of underage juniors being signed by the NHL before they're drafted - it's the "Date Joined Club" issue...those juniors being affected (like Bossy, Wilson, McCourt, etc) had a Date Joined Club that was years before 2006.......once edited to 7/1/2006 they were no longer signable!!

XenHL wrote: looked, but didn't actually offer any of the Russians a contract, nor have any of the AI teams done so yet

Right now I feel like "this is my only hope" - if the AI teams don't sign them then I myself will happily play and not sign them too.......but if AI teams do sign them to be honest I find that completely crushing - I don't want a 1974 db with historical Russians/Europeans in the NHL, and I don't want a 1974 db with no historical Russians/Europeans.....Grrrrrr

So far not good IMO.......I don't even feel like working on it anymore (but obviously I have been!)

Post by **CeeBee** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:12 pm

I'm close to training camp opening and so far no 17 year olds have signed with the AI as well as no Russians AFAIK. Kharlamov turned down my offer as well.

Post by **Manimal** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:13 pm

nino33 wrote:
Manimal wrote:I've just had a quick glance in the editor but Bossy, Peeters and Doug Wilson all have stats in the Player Info-tab that makes the game see them as veterans. Clear out the Professional Stats and you might see a difference
Doesn't seem to make a difference; looks like it'll be trial and error, and I'll have to recreate and retest again and again.....Grrrrrr
EDIT - Good news! I think I've fixed the issue of underage juniors being signed by the NHL before they're drafted - it's the "Date Joined Club" issue...those juniors being affected (like Bossy, Wilson, McCourt, etc) had a Date Joined Club that was years before 2006.......once edited to 7/1/2006 they were no longer signable!!

Good news! I never thought about that having an effect on things. Very interesting for my db, too...

Post by **nino33** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:21 pm

Manimal wrote:
nino33 wrote:
I've just had a quick glance in the editor but Bossy, Peeters and Doug Wilson all have stats in the Player Info-tab that makes the game see them as veterans. Clear out the Professional Stats and you might see a differenceDoesn't seem to make a difference; looks like it'll be trial and error, and I'll have to recreate and retest again and again.....Grrrrrr
EDIT - Good news! I think I've fixed the issue of underage juniors being signed by the NHL before they're drafted - it's the "Date Joined Club" issue...those juniors being affected (like Bossy, Wilson, McCourt, etc) had a Date Joined Club that was years before 2006.......once edited to 7/1/2006 they were no longer signable!!

Manimal wrote:
Good news! I never thought about that having an effect on things. Very interesting for my db, too...

I was wrong! It's because I did a quick test as unemployed. and as unemployed I of course couldn't sign anyone!
After ensuring CHL Rights, a 2006 Date Joined Club and a clear Player Info tab...same problem!.....all the 17 year olds mentioned were signable?????.....Grrrr!

Post by **nino33** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:22 pm

CeeBee wrote:I'm close to training camp opening and so far no 17 year olds have signed with the AI as well as no Russians AFAIK. Kharlamov turned down my offer as well.

Now that is good news!.....

Post by **nino33** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:42 pm

nino33 wrote:Manimal wrote:
nino33 wrote:
I've just had a quick glance in the editor but Bossy, Peeters and Doug Wilson all have stats in the Player Info-tab that makes the game see them as veterans. Clear out the Professional Stats and you might see a differenceDoesn't seem to make a difference; looks like it'll be trial and error, and I'll have to recreate and retest again and again.....Grrrrrr
EDIT - Good news! I think I've fixed the issue of underage juniors being signed by the NHL before they're drafted - it's the "Date Joined Club" issue...those juniors being affected (like Bossy, Wilson, McCourt, etc) had a Date Joined Club that was years before 2006.......once edited to 7/1/2006 they were no longer signable!!
Manimal wrote:
Good news! I never thought about that having an effect on things. Very interesting for my db, too...
nino33 wrote:
I was wrong! It's because I did a quick test as unemployed. and as unemployed I of course couldn't sign anyone!
After ensuring CHL Rights, a 2006 Date Joined Club and a clear Player Info tab...same problem!.....all the 17 year olds mentioned were signable?????.....Grrrr!

I retired Bossy, and then recreated him from scratch as a brand new player.....and it appears to have worked.
When I tested it I was at first concerned as the "Approach to Sign" option was still available! But when I clicked on it, here's the message that came up

Post by **nino33** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:54 pm

I thought I'd check into the draftability of other underagers.....came across this, I thought it was pretty cool to see

Moses Doughty · Post by **Moses Doughty** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:29 pm

Quick question for the other testers. Did any Russians or underaged players sign with CPU teams?

Post by **nino33** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:39 pm

I think the solution for the underage players is to create new players from scratch as neccessary (and retire and/or overwrite the version who gets drafted to early). Fortunately I love spreadsheets/prep work, so I actually already have every historical player in a spreadsheet (along with DOB, Age, CA/PA and team playing for) - I'm currently going through the applicable players and checking in the DB to see if they can be signed (focusing on Major Junior at this point).....so far there's really no apparent reasoning I can see - some 16 year olds can be signed by an NHL club, some 17 year olds can not!

Moses Doughty wrote:Quick question for the other testers. Did any Russians or underaged players sign with CPU teams?

I'm really hoping the AI doesn't sign away Europeans/Russians who have contracts playing in their home country.....if it occurs at all, I'm hoping with some editing maybe it won't [I'm not sure every historical European/Russian has a low Adaptability (and maybe lower Ambition too?), Low World Reputatiom, and their home country club listed as "favourite club"]

Regards

XenHL · Post by **XenHL** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:55 pm

I about a month into the first season with the Totems now. So far, the AI has not signed any 17 year-old players (despite some very good ones being available, of course!), and only two Europeans have been signed - two Czechs who were UFA at the start of the game.

I did offer contracts to Jiri Bubla and Thomas Gradin, both of whom accepted, but I have to wait until next summer for the transfer window to get them. That said, I haven't seen the AI approach any Europeans who have contracts in place. This may change after their contracts expire, though.

I randomly noticed that the San Diego Mariners AHL farm team, Binghamton Dusters, has a restriction, max 10 goalies and 2 skaters.

Post by **nino33** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:58 pm

With all of the team changes in the NHL, AHL, and Major Junior (WHL, OHL, QMJHL) there are some teams whose in-game colour scheme is wrong.......I will need to go through at some point and compile a list of which teams in these five leagues need fixing - if anyone has the time/inclination to do this it would be appreciated!

Regards

XenHL · Post by **XenHL** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:05 pm

I can do that, sure!

I was just puzzling over the LA Kings and Cleveland Crusaders, actually. The colours are right (dark home, light away), but it's turning up strangely in the game: on a team info screen or roster screen, the dark colour shows up. But when you go to a game, the colours reverse - light colour is used as the home kit (e.g. yellow for the Kings) and the dark colour when playing on the road. This only seems to be affecting those teams that have a colour other than white for the 'background' of the 'away' colours. Not sure what the issue is, I've successfully had non-white away kits in other games...

XenHL · Post by **XenHL** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:08 pm

Oh, I should also note that the Birmingham Bulls were showing up as set in the database - red background for home games, blue background for road games...

Post by **nino33** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:55 pm

Larry Playfair should be a 16 year old playing for the Kamloops Chiefs, but he was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed

ALSO found Randy Ireland....should be a 17 year old playing for the Saskatoon Blades, was a 22 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Wayne Ramsey....should be a 17 year old playing for the Brandon Wheat Kings, was a 22 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Darryl Sutter....should be a 16 year old playing for the Red Deer Rustlers, was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed

Post by **archibalduk** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:45 pm

nino33 wrote:I think the solution for the underage players is to create new players from scratch as neccessary (and retire and/or overwrite the version who gets drafted to early).

Hmm there must be some remnant in the database from the previous overwritten player. I'd love to find out what this is... I'll stick this on my to-do list.

Post by **nino33** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:28 pm

nino33 wrote:Larry Playfair should be a 16 year old playing for the Kamloops Chiefs, but he was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed

ALSO found Randy Ireland....should be a 17 year old playing for the Saskatoon Blades, was a 22 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Wayne Ramsey....should be a 17 year old playing for the Brandon Wheat Kings, was a 22 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Darryl Sutter....should be a 16 year old playing for the Red Deer Rustlers, was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed

ALSO found Tim Bernhardt....should be a 16 year old playing for the Cornwall Royals, was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed

Post by **Manimal** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:51 pm

nino33 wrote:I think the solution for the underage players is to create new players from scratch as neccessary (and retire and/or overwrite the version who gets drafted to early).

That is the first thing I told you when the problem came up!

Post by **Manimal** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:54 pm

archibalduk wrote:
nino33 wrote:I think the solution for the underage players is to create new players from scratch as neccessary (and retire and/or overwrite the version who gets drafted to early).
Hmm there must be some remnant in the database from the previous overwritten player. I'd love to find out what this is... I'll stick this on my to-do list.

This would be very important for my rosters as the db keeps growing when I have to add new players rather than overwrite old ones. It would help a lot to get it sorted

Post by **archibalduk** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:19 pm

Manimal wrote:
archibalduk wrote:
nino33 wrote:I think the solution for the underage players is to create new players from scratch as neccessary (and retire and/or overwrite the version who gets drafted to early).
Hmm there must be some remnant in the database from the previous overwritten player. I'd love to find out what this is... I'll stick this on my to-do list.
This would be very important for my rosters as the db keeps growing when I have to add new players rather than overwrite old ones. It would help a lot to get it sorted

I'll try and take a look at it in a few weeks' time. Just thinking aloud here: There's a field in the staff data called "first pro contract date" which doesn't seem to be visible in the Editor. Could this be a cause I wonder? Maybe there's something in the rights/draft data that isn't removed properly. I don't know... just clutching at straws here. It'll be a case of comparing the data between a newly created player and the data of an existing player subject to this issue.

The Leaf · Post by **The Leaf** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:32 pm

Turk Broda who you have as an Assistant coach for the TML had been dead for two years already in 1974.

I've also noticed that some coaches have interesting abilities. Shouldn't former goaltenders have higher coaching of goalies? Wouldn't former skaters have better abilities coaching players who play their position?

Also, I'd say Scotty Bowman is a little bit underrated in the game.

Post by **nino33** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:41 pm

nino33 wrote:
nino33 wrote:Larry Playfair should be a 16 year old playing for the Kamloops Chiefs, but he was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Randy Ireland....should be a 17 year old playing for the Saskatoon Blades, was a 22 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Wayne Ramsey....should be a 17 year old playing for the Brandon Wheat Kings, was a 22 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Darryl Sutter....should be a 16 year old playing for the Red Deer Rustlers, was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Tim Bernhardt....should be a 16 year old playing for the Cornwall Royals, was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed

ALSO found Steve Harrison....should be a 16 year old playing for the Toronto Marlboros, was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed

I'm finding these errors as I check each player on the list of historical Major Junior players to see if they are signable before they're drafted.
So far I've created a brand new Mike Bossy, Barry Beck and Glen Hanlon and all works as it should with these new creations (they can't be signed as they're still draft eligible)......I'm just over halfway through the list of historical Major Junior players, with 33 players so far that need "recreation" (and 3 actually recreated)

Regards

The Leaf · Post by **The Leaf** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:47 pm

nino33 wrote:
nino33 wrote:
nino33 wrote:Larry Playfair should be a 16 year old playing for the Kamloops Chiefs, but he was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Randy Ireland....should be a 17 year old playing for the Saskatoon Blades, was a 22 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Wayne Ramsey....should be a 17 year old playing for the Brandon Wheat Kings, was a 22 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Darryl Sutter....should be a 16 year old playing for the Red Deer Rustlers, was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Tim Bernhardt....should be a 16 year old playing for the Cornwall Royals, was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Steve Harrison....should be a 16 year old playing for the Toronto Marlboros, was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed

I'm finding these errors as I check each player on the list of historical Major Junior players to see if they are signable before they're drafted.
So far I've created a brand new Mike Bossy, Barry Beck and Glen Hanlon and all works as it should with these new creations (they can't be signed as they're still draft eligible)......I'm just over halfway through the list of historical Major Junior players, with 33 players so far that need "recreation" (and 3 actually recreated)

Regards

It appears that teams in my database are able to sign Bossy, Beck etc.

Post by **nino33** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:49 pm

The Leaf wrote:Turk Broda who you have as an Assistant coach for the TML had been dead for two years already in 1974.

Yep! You're right...I knowingly did so, as I'm an ex-goalie and I wanted a couple/few guys in who were recently deceased (another is Terry Sawchuk, goalie coach in Philadelphia)

The Leaf wrote:I've also noticed that some coaches have interesting abilities. Shouldn't former goaltenders have higher coaching of goalies? Wouldn't former skaters have better abilities coaching players who play their position? Also, I'd say Scotty Bowman is a little bit underrated in the game.

I 100% agree....but I'm only one guy! HaHa

Here's the current "plan"

Things that I’m still working on (and hope to get done “soon”)
- Review and recreate as neccessary underage players (to ensure they can't be signed before draft eligibility ends) - this is what I'm working on today
- Add NHL Team Rookie Records
- Height/Weight review of all historical players under 21 (using edited Strength Calculator results)
- Review/Edit Major Junior Staff and Arenas
- Edit Major Junior Team Records
- Add additional historical players to the AHL (the “non-stars”)
- Review/Edit AHL Staff and Arenas
- Add additional historical “Free Agent” Staff
- Add additional historical players to Major Junior (the “non-stars”)
- Add Arena changes and Affiliation changes using Extra_Config_File

Longer Term things I’m working on
- A systematic review/edit of historical Player Attributes
- A systematic review/edit of historical Staff Attributes
- Create European/Russian “Minor Hockey” Leagues (like I have for NA)
- Add many dozens (hundreds?) more historical Swedes, Finns, Czechs/Slovaks and Russians
- Move historical “Minor Hockey” players to in-game Leagues where possible
- Edit/rename NA “Minor Hockey” Leagues/Teams (currently unrealistic names, no team attributes, etc)

Post by **nino33** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:54 pm

The Leaf wrote:It appears that teams in my database are able to sign Bossy, Beck etc.

Yes, the database I sent out has this issue.....that's the point of testing!

The post of mine you quoted is what I'm doing about it.....I'm fixing the database right now! The database you and all other testers have has this issue - the next release will not have the underage players being signed issue

Regards

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