1974db Testing Results/Feedback

[nino33]

EEhhh....
Probably won't be able to do anything of significance before Wednesday...

No worries! That's fine!.....

[nino33]

Larry Playfair should be a 16 year old playing for the Kamloops Chiefs, but he was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Randy Ireland....should be a 17 year old playing for the Saskatoon Blades, was a 22 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Wayne Ramsey....should be a 17 year old playing for the Brandon Wheat Kings, was a 22 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Darryl Sutter....should be a 16 year old playing for the Red Deer Rustlers, was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Tim Bernhardt....should be a 16 year old playing for the Cornwall Royals, was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Steve Harrison....should be a 16 year old playing for the Toronto Marlboros, was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Tim Higgins....should be a 16 year old playing for the Ottawa 67s, was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Rick Paterson....should be a 16 year old playing for the Cornwall Royals, was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
ALSO found Mario Giallonardo....should be a 16 year old playing for the Windsor Spitfires, was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
Jeff Brubaker....should be a 16 year old playing for the "PreJunior Ones", was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
Serge Menard....should be a 16 year old playing for the Sorel Black Hawks, was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
Andre Dore....should be a 16 year old playing for the Quebec Remparts, was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
Val James....should be a 17 year old playing for the Quebec Remparts, was a 22 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
Normand Lefebvre....should be a 16 year old playing for the Sherbrooke Castors, was a 21 year old Free Agent.....now fixed
Rich Sirois....should be a 17 year old playing for the Sherbrooke Castors, was a 22 year old Free Agent.....now fixed

Mark Toffolo....should be a 17 year old playing for the Montreal Red, White & Blue, was a 22 year old Free Agent.....now fixed

[nino33]

Okay, so I went through the database to check the colours in the five leagues. In cases I wasn't sure, I googled for photos of jerseys, so I think this should be fairly accurate. Note I'm listing all the teams, regardless of whether I made any changes to the colours or not.

THANK YOU SO MUCH! What an improvement this will be thanks to your efforts XenHL! I'm currently inputting the colour schemes you provided; so far I've gone through 11 NHL teams and 5 have had changes made.......just wondering, what happened to the Chicago Black Hawks?

[Manimal]

Pat Conacher is another guy who is both player and staff.
Marc Bergevin is set as invalid in the editor but turns up as staff(I guess the invalids with non-player atts will do so). Either retire him or set him up as the player he was.

BTW, Was Bobby Orr that slow?
His skating is horrendous

[XenHL]

THANK YOU SO MUCH! What an improvement this will be thanks to your efforts XenHL! I'm currently inputting the colour schemes you provided; so far I've gone through 11 NHL teams and 5 have had changes made.......just wondering, what happened to the Chicago Black Hawks?

Glad you like! As I mentioned there I had to make a couple of guesses as to team colours with junior teams, lacking jersey info I had to guess based on the logo colours.

Somehow I managed to miss the Hawks, but here:
Home: white - red 1 - black
Away: black - white - red 1

This is of course: foreground - background - trim.

I'd have two questions re: team names.

1. By 74-75 the Seals were called California Golden Seals. Was this an oversight, or did you deliberately use the original name? If deliberate, I can put the original logo into the logo pack and put the original colours...

2. Sorel Black Hawks - by everything I could find, "Black Hawks" is just an English 'translation' of the French name, "Sorel Éperviers"; it seems the Éperviers name is the official one... though I could well be wrong.

Also, in the OHL you have three teams that are different incarnations of the same franchise: St. Catharine's Black Hawks -> Niagara Falls Flyers -> North Bay Centennials.

[nino33]

Pat Conacher is another guy who is both player and staff.

Fixed!

Marc Bergevin is set as invalid in the editor but turns up as staff(I guess the invalids with non-player atts will do so). Either retire him or set him up as the player he was.

Good to know! Thanks!.....I'll have to add "changing Invalid Staff to Retired" to my list of things to do!

BTW, Was Bobby Orr that slow? His skating is horrendous

I'll have to fix that.....Orr was in the 1979-80 database and so I suspect his skating Attributes affect where he was at in 1979 (Orr never really played much after September 1976 due to his bad knees) - I adjusted CA/PA and sometimes specific Attributes, but further Attribute review is needed

By 74-75 the Seals were called California Golden Seals. Was this an oversight, or did you deliberately use the original name? If deliberate, I can put the original logo into the logo pack and put the original colours...

It was on purpose, but I changed my mind again ages ago and just haven't got to the point where I've switched the name back to the Cailifornia Golden Seals

Sorel Black Hawks - by everything I could find, "Black Hawks" is just an English 'translation' of the French name, "Sorel Éperviers"; it seems the Éperviers name is the official one... though I could well be wrong.Also, in the OHL you have three teams that are different incarnations of the same franchise: St. Catharine's Black Hawks -> Niagara Falls Flyers -> North Bay Centennials.

With fixing the signing of underagers issue taking up a lot of my editing time for the foreseeable future (and other important tasks on the list of things to do), I'm not likely to make further changes to teams at this point in time.......but I do "care" - I have notes of my own, plus Guides from the era, and I appreciate the comments/feedback/ideas of other users.....I will use all of these resources when I make improvements in the future (IIRC the QMJHL is missing the Trois Rivieres Draveurs!)


I was messing with team names both times I lost hundreds of hours worth of work!.......while the messing with team names had nothing to do with the data loss, I may have developed a phobia! HaHa

[nino33]

For those that actually enjoy watching the EHM games ("watching the dots"), did you know you can easily remove the extra red pain of the trapazoid lines (around the nets)?.....it results in a more retro look! Here's the thread that explains how (and has a screenshot showing the results) http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... =13&t=9155

Regards

[Manimal]

Sorel Black Hawks - by everything I could find, "Black Hawks" is just an English 'translation' of the French name, "Sorel Éperviers"; it seems the Éperviers name is the official one... though I could well be wrong.Also, in the OHL you have three teams that are different incarnations of the same franchise: St. Catharine's Black Hawks -> Niagara Falls Flyers -> North Bay Centennials.

With fixing the signing of underagers issue taking up a lot of my editing time for the foreseeable future (and other important tasks on the list of things to do), I'm not likely to make further changes to teams at this point in time.......but I do "care" - I have notes of my own, plus Guides from the era, and I appreciate the comments/feedback/ideas of other users.....I will use all of these resources when I make improvements in the future (IIRC the QMJHL is missing the Trois Rivieres Draveurs!)


I was messing with team names both times I lost hundreds of hours worth of work!.......while the messing with team names had nothing to do with the data loss, I may have developed a phobia! HaHa

Montréal Bleu-Blanc-Rouge is another team that was named in French. Laval Nationale spelled their name diferently as well.
I think this is something that should be corrected. As should spelling of European players, Håkan Loob, for example.
This game is not only for the English speakers.

There are several NHL-signed player with the age to be still playing in junior. Will you add rights to them?
I sent down two 20-year-olds to the AHL that I'd rather have playing their over-age year in juniors

[batdad]

For the names...it is probably more of a case of Nino not knowing how to make the dot over Loob's name and all the different accents etc on his keyboard. I know I don't. SOmeone taught me something once...lets see ...nope codes not working for me....have to settle for this: NIITTTTTTTYYYMAAAAAAKKKKKKIIIII

[Manimal]

For the names...it is probably more of a case of Nino not knowing how to make the dot over Loob's name and all the different accents etc on his keyboard. I know I don't. SOmeone taught me something once...lets see ...nope codes not working for me....have to settle for this: NIITTTTTTTYYYMAAAAAAKKKKKKIIIII

He just needs to copy-paste in the editor...

[XenHL]

While I agree on the player names, I don't think it's /hugely/ important. Plenty of more vital things to deal with first, IMO.

Re Laval's name - he got it right. The French name of the team was "National de Laval".

[Manimal]

While I agree on the player names, I don't think it's /hugely/ important. Plenty of more vital things to deal with first, IMO.

Re Laval's name - he got it right. The French name of the team was "National de Laval".

I agree on their being more important things to do. I just report the issues when I see them.

Oh! I saw the Nationale name on some site and thought it looked more French so I thought that was the true name

[nino33]

Montréal Bleu-Blanc-Rouge is another team that was named in French. Laval Nationale spelled their name diferently as well.
I think this is something that should be corrected. As should spelling of European players, Håkan Loob, for example.
This game is not only for the English speakers.

Sorry but this will be way, way down on my list of things to do.......and I have no idea why you're writing "This game is not only for the English speakers"

[CeeBee]

Henri Richard could probably use a good bump up on his influence as it's rather low for a guy who captained Les Habs for quite a few years.

[nino33]

Henri Richard could probably use a good bump up on his influence as it's rather low for a guy who captained Les Habs for quite a few years

Otherwise (outside of Boston waiving Bucyk and Montreal wanting to trade Richard) the DB is great.

Also the same thing with Henri Richard going on waivers and Johnny Bucyk being offered around

Re Boston/Bucyk and Montreal/Richard - oh, did that for me, too!

I posted earlier, but it's already back a page!.....Richard's Reputation was low (120) so I upped it, and upped both players Loyalty to 20, and now they both start the game with No Trade Contracts! Hopefully the Reputation increase will keep Richard from being put on Waivers...

[Manimal]

..and I have no idea why you're writing "This game is not only for the English speakers"

I wrote that because you had chosen English over French names and not used European spelling.
I know this is just the first test version, but I just post whatever things I'd like to see changed. I thought that was the reason of this whole thread.

[Manimal]

I just made it through training camp and the AI has not signed any Russians yet.
Göran Högosta and Hardy Åström, the Swedish goalies have been signed and is coming over in 1975, but they did go to the NHL in 77 IRL so that is not too big a deal, I guess

[nino33]

nino33 wrote:
..and I have no idea why you're writing "This game is not only for the English speakers"
Manimal wrote:
I wrote that because you had chosen English over French names and not used European spelling.
I know this is just the first test version, but I just post whatever things I'd like to see changed. I thought that was the reason of this whole thread.

If you had just written your observations absolutely, but the statement I'm questioning has a negative implication IMO.
The fact is I do everything in excel first, and a lot of the symbols you're suggesting I use can get really messed up using excel (Compatability Mode in Windows 7 isn't always very compatable!)...and they most definitely would make my job much harder, which is why I stopped using them in the first place!

EDIT - If I manage to find a way to keep historical European/Russians in-game, then when the rosters are "done" I would certainly look for help (yourself?) to obtain the correct European/Russian spelling for European/Russian players playing in Europe/Russia

[nino33]

There are several NHL-signed player with the age to be still playing in junior. Will you add rights to them?
I sent down two 20-year-olds to the AHL that I'd rather have playing their over-age year in juniors

I always struggled with the exact DOB/player age for league "age cut offs" (my created Minor Hockey Leagues overlap in some places because of this).....if you or anyone else can give me some specific names, I'll investigate further (or with a 2006 start date is it simply ensure that anyone born in 1986 has their junior rights? and anyone born in 1985/1984/etc doesn't need them?) - I know the 18 and 19 years olds should already have their Major Junior Rights, NHL Draft Information, and NHL Rights (drafted IRL in 1975 and 1976...in-game it shows as 2005 and 2006)


FYI TO ALL
If you look at the NHL Draft History it may have gaps (not every player ever drafted is in the db yet), but it should be "correct" in that 2006 is the 1976 Draft, 2005 shows the 1975 Draft, 2004 shows the 1973 draft, etc

[CeeBee]

Rosaire Paiement was born in Earlton Ontario, not Ranea Sweden.

[nino33]

Rosaire Paiement was born in Earlton Ontario, not Ranea Sweden.

Thank you. I've deleted Ranea and left Birth City blank for now as Earlton is not currently in the db

[CeeBee]

Pit Martin, born in Noranda Quebec, not Ranea Sweden.

[nino33]

Pit Martin, born in Noranda Quebec, not Ranea Sweden

Thank you. Again I've deleted Ranea and left Birth City blank for now as Noranda is not currently in the db

[Manimal]

If you had just written your observations absolutely, but the statement I'm questioning has a negative implication IMO.

Yes, it was negative. You can't expect to only get positive feedback

- If I manage to find a way to keep historical European/Russians in-game, then when the rosters are "done" I would certainly look for help (yourself?) to obtain the correct European/Russian spelling for European/Russian players playing in Europe/Russia

I could help out with Swedish/Norwegian/Danish and German/Swiss names, if you want to, when all rosters are done.
Someone else is probably better suited to do the Eastern Europeans

I always struggled with the exact DOB/player age for league "age cut offs" (my created Minor Hockey Leagues overlap in some places because of this).....if you or anyone else can give me some specific names, I'll investigate further (or with a 2006 start date is it simply ensure that anyone born in 1986 has their junior rights? and anyone born in 1985/1984/etc doesn't need them?) - I know the 18 and 19 years olds should already have their Major Junior Rights, NHL Draft Information, and NHL Rights (drafted IRL in 1975 and 1976...in-game it shows as 2005 and 2006)

Yes, 1986 is the cut-off year when starting in 2006.(that also means anyone born in 1987 or later should be available for the drafts. Perhaps even some late 86ers but I do not know the cut-off date there)
CHL-teams might have dropped their rights but for game-playability I think they should be there

[XenHL]

As far as the central and eastern Europeans go, I could help when the time comes. I've already been contemplating starting to research players and teams...