1974/75: Nino's Rosters - Mario Lemieux as an 8 year old

[nino33]

Over one year has passed by in the test and all the players are still on the Färjestads BKs roster.

Have you, playing as an NHL team, tryed to sign them?
That seems to be the issue...so far no reports of the AI NHL teams signing Europeans/Russians away from their home country and an existing contract (and I'm REALLY hoping that the NHL AI doesn't sign them!).......


I lowered Reputation and as a result the historical Europeans/Russians don't (shouldn't) have an NHL Release Clause - I thought this was the solution, but users have found they could sign Russians with 11 year Russian contracts, and despite the game saying the player will join in the next transfer window (11 years later!) the player joined the NHL team immediately

I've tryed to do things like have the European/Russian club team be "Favourite Club" as well as an Adaptability Attribute of 1 for the player, and a Loyalty Attribute of 20, and player Reputation has been significantly lowered too - hopefuly this will result in the AI NHL GMs not trying to sign Europeans/Russians like human users do...

[Malmsten83]

Yes! I took control of the Detroit Red Wings and tryed to sign both Åslund and Paulsson. None wanted any part of my contract offers. Åslund is a scrub by NHL-standards and he should accepted my contract but he did not.

[nino33]

Malmsten83 wrote:
Over one year has passed by in the test and all the players are still on the Färjestads BKs roster.
nino33 wrote:
Have you, playing as an NHL team, tryed to sign them?

Yes! I took control of the Detroit Red Wings and tryed to sign both Åslund and Paulsson. None wanted any part of my contract offers. Åslund is a scrub by NHL-standards and he should accepted my contract but he did not.

Hmmm.....very interesting!

THANK YOU for your efforts!.....keep me posted on what develops!

[Malmsten83]

The test simulation is now in year 2015. Åslund stayed in Färjestad past his future transfer set in 2009. After that I he was willing to sign with "my" NHL team. Accidently I put Paulssons future transfer to 2015 and not 2012 like I wrote in a earlier post. That date has passed and I tried to sign him to a NHL club and he said he would have a hard time leaving Färjestad so he wouldn't accept my offer. But he stayed in Färjestad the whole time even though he was the scoring king in almost every season and putting up great numbers in the national squad.

Brodin was drafted in the first round but he is still playing in Färjestad and the team that drafted him has lost his rights.

Maybe this could be a solution.

[nino33]

Maybe this could be a solution.

Maybe.....because you're using the Lidas 3.1 db it may be quite different with the 1974 db - guys like Tretiak, Kharlamov and others have ratings of around 190 (making them much more desireable).....and I removed over 2400 modern players from the 1974 database (all with a CA/PA above 100) so there are far fewer decent European/Russian players being pursued by NHL teams

I don't have a handy copy of 3.1 to look at the Attributes of the players involved.....things like CA/PA, Reputation, Favouurite Club, and especially Adaptability and Loyalty can explain your results too

When time permits, I'll look closer at this, and test it out using the 1974 db......thanks for the feedback!

[Malmsten83]

Actually I jacked up Paulssons ratings to 199 CA and 200 PA and all reputations to 200. Every individual rating was changed to a 20. I will do some more testing tonight and tomorrow.

[nino33]

Actually I jacked up Paulssons ratings to 199 CA and 200 PA and all reputations to 200. Every individual rating was changed to a 20.

Ah yes, sorry (you basicaly said this in your first post!)

I will do some more testing tonight and tomorrow

It's certainly an interesting idea, and it'd be cool if it worked..... I appreciate you looking into it!

[Malmsten83]

A last update of the first test. Paulsson did sign with the Bruins at the age of 37 and is currently producing 1.1 ppg in the NHL.

With the second test I intend to test players from Sweden, Finland, Russia and the Czech Republic.

[nino33]

A last update of the first test. Paulsson did sign with the Bruins at the age of 37 and is currently producing 1.1 ppg in the NHL.

With the second test I intend to test players from Sweden, Finland, Russia and the Czech Republic.

Awesome!

[XenHL]

Out of curiosity, what are your plans for the ECHL?

[nino33]

Out of curiosity, what are your plans for the ECHL?

To help me determine teams (as well as staff/players) I've got some resources like the complete year of 1974 hockey News (and I've got the 1976-77 season too), plus I've got NHL Guides and Gudes for Leagues like the AHL, NAHL and the IHL, etc.........once the AHL is complete and I see "what's left for historical teams" then I'll move on to the ECHL (it won't be soon!)

[Manimal]

Out of curiosity, what are your plans for the ECHL?

If you don't like editing teams, I'd gladly set it up for you.
It wouldn't take long or I could do it when you sleep

[nino33]

If you don't like editing teams, I'd gladly set it up for you.
It wouldn't take long or I could do it when you sleep

I really don't think you get it...you don't get how I work. How are you going to review all my notes and make final decisions on AHL teams and then determine which historical teams to use for the ECHL? And which ECHL teams to connect to which NHL teams?...how are you gonna do this while I sleep? When you have to decide between a cool logo and a geographical correctness and historical correctness, how are you gonna make these decisions for me without my input? Will you change Arenas, Team Attributes, Staff and Players too?

I too could change team names overnight, but IMO there's a lot more to it than just changing a name! I haven't finished the NHL, AHL and Major Junior yet!!! Why would I worry about the ECHL at this point!?!

[Manimal]

Sorry if I offended you in any way but I do get how you work. These kind of things just gets me excited.
What I'm offering is just a quick set up to replace modern day teams so you wouldn't have to answer this kind of question anymore. You could then revisit it when you feel it is time for it.

Why would I worry about the ECHL at this point!?!

Because it is fun!
Editing teams is probably my absolute favourite thing with db-editing.
I have a year-2000 db already set up with teams for all NA-leagues plus most of Europe

Oh, and I would always prefer geographical/historical correctness over a cool logo

[nino33]

Oh, and I would always prefer geographical/historical correctness over a cool logo

You might feel different if you went back to the 1970s with your db.....I simply can't have anything close to historical correctness, and I had to accept this a long time ago! You have to look at the big picture because you don't have close to enough options to do the job.....so if there's a cool logo that's modern, you have to keep it! You don't really have a choice (i.e. I've got 11 modern teams to replace, 2 with a cool logo, and I've got 6 historical options!)...ultimately you're stuck with using some modern teams....

And I think another HUGE factor is I don't follow hockey like I did as a kid, and haven't since I got married and had kids 20+ years ago.....meaning a lot of the "modern" teams don't connect to anything for me (so many really don't bug me at all)....but the so called historical teams that you and others want to use...these teams I know! Those teams I grew up with! For me it's not history, it's memory! And so my reasoning may be different when it's time to make decisions...

Looking at team names further is on the list of things to do...it's just not near the top!
If people want to post proposals/ideas that's fine, but with fixing the "signing of young players" issue and completing the tasks already high on the list I won't be looking at ECHL teams anytime soon...


Regards

[Manimal]

If people want to post proposals/ideas that's fine

I believe I sent you a list quite some time ago, didn't I ?

[nino33]

I believe I sent you a list quite some time ago, didn't I ?

It's on page three of this thread

[Malmsten83]

Update about my second test!

None of the players that I added to the future transfer list has transferred before their future transfer date. I edited players from Sweden, Finland, Russia and the Czech Republic. The players was also at different age, some in their upper 20s, some in their mid 20s, and some under 18. The players that has passed their date are all in the NHL or are on their way to the NHL.

The simulation is in november 2009 and the players that was drafted in 2007 and had a future transfer set to May 1st 2009 is currently playing for the team that drafted them. Of the 2007 draftees I put a future transfer in May 1st 2010 for one player and the team that drafted him has lost their rights to him.

The simulation will continue a couple of years to see if the players that is drafted in later years and have a future transfer is staying the whole time.

Remember that the players involved in this test all have star ability or star potential and that I have managed a NHL club to see if I was able to snag them before their future transfer.

[Manimal]

Have you given any thought on league reputations?

[XenHL]

Have you given any thought on league reputations?

I tried that in the past to no real result; I set the NHL's reputation very low, and maxed it for the RSL, but players still kept bolting to the NHL even so - even with the club reps of the NHL teams set lower than that of the RSL teams...

[nino33]

Have you given any thought on league reputations?

IIRC they're edited now (I did the work about a year ago though!.....I'm not sure what I determined then...it was/is a work in progress)

[Malmsten83]

Another update about my future transfer test.

All players dates have now passed and all but one player is contracted to a NHL club. The one player is a cranked up russian who is still in the RSL at the age of 23. He does have a 20 rating in loyalty so that may be the cause why he is still in Russia.

One small hiccup with a other player. The player sat one year in free agency before returning to his original club at the date I put his future transfer. Might be a contract issue in the editor with this player.

[nino33]

All players dates have now passed and all but one player is contracted to a NHL club.

So the "transfer date idea" worked? It kept the players on their European/Russian teams? And they went to the NHL after the tranfer date?


AND how does the transfer date work? It puts the player on the team...but what about a contract?
If I gave a Russian an 11 year contract that expired June 30, 2017....and also had a Transfer Date set for July 1, 2017 - if it worked and the player stayed with his team (because of the transfer date) and then transfered on July 1st...what contract would they have when they transfered? Or is contract length part of the transfer data that needs to be inputted into the Extra_Confug file?


Regards

[Manimal]

AND how does the transfer date work? It puts the player on the team...but what about a contract?
If I gave a Russian an 11 year contract that expired June 30, 2017....and also had a Transfer Date set for July 1, 2017 - if it worked and the player stayed with his team (because of the transfer date) and then transfered on July 1st...what contract would they have when they transfered? Or is contract length part of the transfer data that needs to be inputted into the Extra_Confug file?
Regards

Contract length, salary and transfer-fee is added in the Extra_config file. Such a transfer must take place before the first contract ends(I set them at July 29th for Euros)

[nino33]

Such a transfer must take place before the first contract ends(I set them at July 29th for Euros)

Did you mean June 29th? Or do the European contracts end August 1st?