1974db Testing Results/Feedback

[CeeBee]

I'm a week into August so maybe not all positions are filled yet but here goes
26 teams not counting mine:
16 teams have a prez, one team has 2.
12 teams have a chair- 5 teams have a chair and a prez.
every team has a GM, 3 of which are both GM/Headcoach
1 team has an Assistant GM
Every team has a headcoach or GM/headcoach
23 teams have at least one Assistant coach,16 teams have 2, 1 team has 3
9 teams have a scout or more, 2 have 2, and one has 3 scouts
Every team has a trainer, 3 teams have 2 trainers.

Cheers CB
Forgot the 6 managing directors. in only one case was the md the only upper management. The rest also had a char, prez or both.

[Moses Doughty]

Regarding Stastny, he wont be able to sign a NHL deal until he transfers away from Slovan

[archibalduk]

I'm asking as I'd like to only focus on those Staff the game seems to require....do all teams have at least a Chairman or President? Are Managing Director & Director of Personnel positions filled? In my previous testing Asistant GMs seem required for NHL teams, are they for AHL teams? How many Assistant Coaches do AHL teams have? How many Scouts? THANKS MUCH!

By chance, I've been looking at the different non-player types in EHM over the past two days. With regards to the Chairman/Presidents, a team can have one of each. A team can have three Directors (along with the Director of Personnel and Managing Director, the President is also counted as a Director).

I would be very interested to hear whether any teams have a 'GM/Head Coach' (there is a non-player contract type in the database for a 'GM/Head Coach') and whether those teams also have a Head Coach employed. I'm trying to determine whether EHM allows a team to sign a Head Coach if they have a 'GM/Head Coach' employed (this is relevant to the Staff Updater). If anybody happens to find any examples of this during their testing for Nino, I'd be very grateful to hear from you.

[nino33]

I would be very interested to hear whether any teams have a 'GM/Head Coach' (there is a non-player contract type in the database for a 'GM/Head Coach') and whether those teams also have a Head Coach employed. I'm trying to determine whether EHM allows a team to sign a Head Coach if they have a 'GM/Head Coach' employed

A couple moths ago I remember coming across "duplicate staff" where I had Phil Maloney as Head Coach of Vancouver and Phil Maloney as GM/Head Coach, but I don't recall seeing it in-game (the game does allow a Player/Coach to be playing in the AHL while coaching in the NHL!)




FYI I've further edited the AHL teams in the 1974 db, and now 100% of the AHL teams are historical teams from IRL 1974-75 (taken from the AHL, CHL, NAHL, SHL and IHL)

North
Binghamton Dusters
Oklahoma City Blazers
Mohawk Valley Comets
Nova Scotia Voyageurs
Rochester Americans
Virginia Wings

Atlantic
Long Island Cougars
Johnstown Jets
Providence Reds
Roanoke Valley Rebels
Salt Lake Golden Eagles
Springfield Kings
Cape Codders

East
Fort Wayne Komets
Dallas Black Hawks
Fort Worth Texans
Greensboro Generals
Hershey Bears
Omaha Knights
Richmond Robins

West
Baltimore Clippers
Maine Nordiques
Milwaukee Admirals
New Haven Nighthawks
Syracuse Eagles
Denver Spurs


The IRL minor pro Seattle Totems from 1974-75 are the Milwauke Admirals.

[Manimal]

Why don't you set the teams up more geographically?

I would have OKC, Salt Lake, Fort Worth and Omaha in the West

[CeeBee]

I'm asking as I'd like to only focus on those Staff the game seems to require....do all teams have at least a Chairman or President? Are Managing Director & Director of Personnel positions filled? In my previous testing Asistant GMs seem required for NHL teams, are they for AHL teams? How many Assistant Coaches do AHL teams have? How many Scouts? THANKS MUCH!

By chance, I've been looking at the different non-player types in EHM over the past two days. With regards to the Chairman/Presidents, a team can have one of each. A team can have three Directors (along with the Director of Personnel and Managing Director, the President is also counted as a Director).

I would be very interested to hear whether any teams have a 'GM/Head Coach' (there is a non-player contract type in the database for a 'GM/Head Coach') and whether those teams also have a Head Coach employed. I'm trying to determine whether EHM allows a team to sign a Head Coach if they have a 'GM/Head Coach' employed (this is relevant to the Staff Updater). If anybody happens to find any examples of this during their testing for Nino, I'd be very grateful to hear from you.

Just checked the NHL, AHL and ECHL. All teams have a GM and a Head Coach or a GM/Head Coach. No team has a GM/Head Coach and a separate Head Coach.

[nino33]

Why don't you set the teams up more geographically?
I would have OKC, Salt Lake, Fort Worth and Omaha in the West

At this point I just replaced "modern teams" with "historical teams" (who had an affiliation with the NHL/WHA IRL in 1974-75) without consideration for geography.....Given I still have to create about 600 players and over 100 staff I'm unlikely to worry about the Divisions at this point, but I'll take the advice of others! Do you have suggestions for who OKC, Salt Lake, Fort Worth and Omaha should switch with?



FYI I'm looking to do the ECHL too (eventually).....I still have 14 IRL teams "available" (teams that were affiliations of the NHL/WHA in 1974-75) to use in the ECHL

[CeeBee]

In the 2nd season player draft there are 2 Bob Sullivans, both with the same birth date and place of birth.
Also, I'm wondering how concerned you are with waiver issues? e.g. 39 year old Norm Ullman doesn't need waivers but 20 year old Harold Snepst does.

[nino33]

In the 2nd season player draft there are 2 Bob Sullivans, both with the same birth date and place of birth.

Current db has one Retired (so we must have caught this already)

Also, I'm wondering how concerned you are with waiver issues? e.g. 39 year old Norm Ullman doesn't need waivers but 20 year old Harold Snepst does.

We'll have to see what it's like in test version 0.2.......I've used the recently released Player Info tool to populate the player's Player Info tab - it should fix the NHL rookie status and RFA/UFA eligibility for players & hopefuly/maybe help with "the Waivers Issue" too

It's also possible the "weirdness of waivers" in EHM is because of a value that can't be seen/edited via the current Pre-Game Editor (and maybe Archi will solve this at some point too!)

[CeeBee]

How I'd do the AHL with the teams you listed:
North:
Nova Scotia
Syracuse
Maine
Fort Wayne
Rochester
Mohawk Valley

West:
Oklahoma
Salt Lake
Fort Worth
Dallas
Denver
Milwaukee
Omaha

East:
Binghampton
Providence
Springfield
Cape Cod
Hershey
New Haven
Long Island

Atlantic:
Virginia
Roanoke
Greensboro
Richmond
Baltimore
Johnstown

I counted only 26 teams so there must be a 27th?
Also there are some not so obvious choices and my selection is subject to refinement

[CeeBee]

Whilst on the subject of divisions, for the NHL I'd move the Crusader's to the East and the Aero's to the west.

[nino33]

I counted only 26 teams so there must be a 27th?

Oops! I left out the Tulsa Oilers in the West Division

[Manimal]

I like CeeBees suggestions on the AHL. Sure, you could move around some teams East/Atlantic but it does not really matter much

[CeeBee]

I'd put Tulsa in the West and move Milwaukee to the North. If you need to take a team out of the North, I'd put Mohawk Valley in the East and Long Island in the Atlantic.

[archibalduk]

Just checked the NHL, AHL and ECHL. All teams have a GM and a Head Coach or a GM/Head Coach. No team has a GM/Head Coach and a separate Head Coach.

Thanks very much. That's very much appreciated!!

[CeeBee]

Vancouver's farm teams are Milwaukee (AHL) and Victoria (ECHL). Milwaukee's farm team is listed as New Mexico (CHL). Shouldn't Victoria also be listed as a Milwaukee affiliate?

[nino33]

Vancouver's farm teams are Milwaukee (AHL) and Victoria (ECHL). Milwaukee's farm team is listed as New Mexico (CHL). Shouldn't Victoria also be listed as a Milwaukee affiliate?

All affiliations will be reviewed/corrected once I've created the players/staff for all 27 AHL teams

Historical AHL player/staff creation is what I'm working on currently.....working on players right now, just completing the 5th of 27th teams (to avoid potential player duplication and assist in assigning CA/PA and OFF/DEF ratings I'm going to complete all 27 teams in excel first, and then I'll actually create/input the players in EHM).



I'm really excited about the work I'm doing right now.....there are currently 163 historical players playing in the AHL who are contracted to an NHL team, an average of 6 historical players per team - I'm adding about 20 additional players per team! When completed the AHL will be "fully populated" with historical players just like the NHL!

Here are the numbers so far of additional historical players to be added (per team)...

Baltimore Clippers - 17
Binghamton Dusters - 27
Cape Codders - 24
Dallas Black Hawks - 22
Denver Spurs - 17



Back to work!

[CeeBee]

Vancouver's farm teams are Milwaukee (AHL) and Victoria (ECHL). Milwaukee's farm team is listed as New Mexico (CHL). Shouldn't Victoria also be listed as a Milwaukee affiliate?

All affiliations will be reviewed/corrected once I've created the players/staff for all 27 AHL teams

Historical AHL player/staff creation is what I'm working on currently.....working on players right now, just completing the 5th of 27th teams (to avoid potential player duplication and assist in assigning CA/PA and OFF/DEF ratings I'm going to complete all 27 teams in excel first, and then I'll actually create/input the players in EHM).



I'm really excited about the work I'm doing right now.....there are currently 163 historical players playing in the AHL who are contracted to an NHL team, an average of 6 historical players per team - I'm adding about 20 additional players per team! When completed the AHL will be "fully populated" with historical players just like the NHL!

Here are the numbers so far of additional historical players to be added (per team)...

Baltimore Clippers - 17
Binghamton Dusters - 27
Cape Codders - 24
Dallas Black Hawks - 22
Denver Spurs - 17



Back to work!

WOW!!! Now I'm getting even more excited!

[XenHL]

ohmyohmy... finding usable photos of these guys is probably going to be a bit of a challenge... it's been so even for some of the fringe WHA types...

...that said, can't wait!

[CeeBee]

ohmyohmy... finding usable photos of these guys is probably going to be a bit of a challenge... it's been so even for some of the fringe WHA types...

...that said, can't wait!

With pictures This DB is gonna really rock

[nino33]

Hello!

I'm hoping someone (CeeBee? Manimal? someone else?) feels like trying to place some teams in "correct" Divisions.....I'm going to use the 17 team CHL as my #3 League after the NHL and AHL (I'm using the CHL as my #3 League instead of the ECHL).......I'm using the Hockey News issues from October/November 1974 to determine Affiliations (they're listed), and I have the following 14 historical teams from 1974 to use in replacing modern CHL teams (plus I have the Cape Breton Oilers and the Sherbrooke Jets I think I'd like to use)

Columbus Owls
Dayton Gems
Des Moines Capitals
Flint Generals
Kalamazoo Wings
Lansing Lancers
Muskegon Mohawks
Port Huron Flags
Saginaw Gears (there's a Saginaw Gears already in the CHL!)
Toledo Goaldiggers
Philadelphia Firebirds
Hampton Gulls
Charlotte Checkers
Winston-Salem Polar Twins
(Cape Breton Oilers)
(Sherbrooke Jets)


Below is the current CHL teams in their Divisions - any suggestions on a new set-up using the historical teams above?



Northwest
Colorado Eagles
Rocky Mountain Rage
Saginaw Gears (KEEP)
Witchita Thunder

Northeast
Bossier-Shreveport Mudbugs
Memphis RiverKings
Tulsa Oilers
Youngstown Steelhands

Southwest
Amarillo Gorillas
Arizona Sundogs
Lubbock Cotton Kings
New Mexico Scorpions
Odessa Jackalopes

Southeast
Austin Ice Bats
Corpus Christi Rayz
Laredo Bucks
Rio Grande Valey Killer Bees

[CeeBee]

Will the NHL teams that don't have a CHL team have an ECHL team?
Since the CHL teams you are planning to have are almost all Midwest it probably isn't very critical where they play.
I'd probably do the following.
Saginaw
Flint
Port Huron
Lansing

Des Moines
Muskegon
Dayton
Kalamazoo

Cape Breton
Sherbrooke
Columbus
Toledo

Philadelphia
Hampton
Charlotte
Winston Salem

Sherbrooke and Cape Breton are real outliers.

Also in my 2nd season the Penguins have offered 17 year old Ryan Walter a contract. Not sure if he was on the fix-it list as he would have been 16 in the first season.

The Winnipeg Jets and the Edmonton Oilers both have their AHL affiliate listed twice in the team info section. I presume you are keeping 3 shared AHL team affiliations so every NHL team has an AHL team? I think it's better than having a ECHL or CHL team as the top team as that really unbalances those leagues and also handcuffs the NHL teams. I've never payed much attention to the CHL so I'm wondering what restriction it has on players and how it will affect NHL teams/prospects?

[XenHL]

Well, here's my take on those teams:

Northwest:
Dayton
Des Moines
Muskegon

Northeast:
Cape Breton
Sherbrooke
Columbus
Toledo

Southwest:
Flint
Kalamazoo
Lansing
Port Huron
Saginaw

Southeast:
Charlotte
Winston-Salem
Hampton
Philadelphia

And for the missing team in the Northwest division, maybe one of these?

Portland Buckaroos (WHL 73/74)
San Diego Gulls (WHL 73/74)
Peoria Blades (Continental HL 74/75)
Kenosha Flyers (Continental HL 74/75)
Madison Blues (Continental HL 74/75)
Marquette Iron Rangers (USHL 74/75)
Thunder Bay Twins (USHL 74/75)
Green Bay Bobcats (USHL 74/75)
Sioux City Musketeers (USHL 74/75)

Checked one of the above at random (Marquette Iron Rangers), and it has a roster listed on hockeydb.com...

[CeeBee]

Some of the Western Hockey league teams have black lettering on a black background. The ones I can make out are Flin Flon, Kamloops, the team after Moose Jaw, the two team after Saskatoon, Victoria and Winnipeg. Also Victoria defensman, Gordie Roberts(18) is available to sign.
Advanced a day and now more 17/18 year olds are getting offers. Mario Marois, Richard Sevigny, and Bill Stewart.

[Manimal]

I've never payed much attention to the CHL so I'm wondering what restriction it has on players and how it will affect NHL teams/prospects?

I don't think it is that much different than the ECHL. Same amount of players allowed, about the same rule on veterans.
If Nino just raises the league rep(and he said he would) I don't see any problems