[2011-12] Manimal Rosters v4.1b; Question

[C0medyClub]

Hi,

I've played this game for years. Current game is on season 2047-2048. I decided to start a new season just for the heck of it.

http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... =77&t=9160

I'm using the roster update as mentioned above. I quickly simulated a season so I can know what to expect when I play for real. A couple things:

1) The offense.

Was it just luck of the draw given this is obviously a simulation game or is the offensive output in the update generous? The NHL isn't too bad, about 12 players over 100 points. I say generous because there hasn't been more than a few players with over 100 points since the 06-07 season. It's not a big deal, I understand offense will fluctuate over time. Lundqvist was the best goalie with a 2.28GAA.

One glaring unrealistic part I have found is that in the WHL, for example, there are literally 30 players with over 100 points and no goalie has a GAA better than 2.50. Some players have doubled or even tripled their production from the season prior. Realistically speaking, there are only 8 players in the dub with over 100 points. There is obviously a huge gap here.

Has anyone else experienced this in their game?

2) Awards/Calder trophy

How come Kane, Kessel, and others are competing for the Calder trophy when this is suppose to be the 2011-2012 season? Landeskog should have won it easy with 69 points in 82 games, but Kane kicked his ass with 120 points and 45 goals.

Again with the Art Ross for example. Toews won it. But the awards page in the game shows Thornton with the last Art Ross back in 05-06.

Is this because the game is hardcoded for the 06-07 season and there is simply nothing that can be done about this?


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Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else here has had a similar experience thus far or if it's just me?

I love the update, the realism etc. I just don't like that the offense seems to be a little generous. I mean, it's not that big of a deal, I love the update and the game in general so I'm obviously going to play. That's my only real criticism.

Thanks for your time!

[nino33]

is the offensive output in the update generous?

My understanding is high offensive output has been the case since the game was released.....here's a thread about a user created patch that's intended to create more realistic scoring http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 110&t=8909

in the WHL, for example

the WHL hasn't been upated yet

Awards

IIRC there's an "issue" not yet solved by Archi!...

Calder trophy

Here's a thread that addresses this issue (and the solution) http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 110&t=8569


I encourage you to check out the site further and do some reading...Welcome to TBL!


Regards

[archibalduk]

Welcome to The Blue Line! That's a great choice of user name!

If you do what Nino recommends (i.e. use the Realism Patch and the Player Info Generator) then that should address most of your concerns.

Give it a go and let us know what you think.

[C0medyClub]

Okay, thanks! I'll try it out

[C0medyClub]

Okay, so I tried the realism patch and I think almost everything was the same. NHL scoring was reduced a bit, that's good, I'm happy with that part of the sim. However, scoring in the WHL was still through the roof with 38 players over 100 points. Is the patch suppose to improve that in any way or is it because "the WHL hasn't been upated yet" for Manimal Rosters, as Nino wrote.

Also, with the Calder trophy. I used the player info generator, the ineligible candidates did not compete for the trophy, which is what what I wanted. No more Patty Kane in the running. RNH won. However, when I check the NHL Awards page, it continues to show that Thornton won the Hart in 05/06. The awards page continues to show all winners from the 05-06 season. The information has not been updated to the current season. Does the info generator not fix this or have I not used it properly? I didn't get any errors when using it so I assume it's not the latter.

Thanks! I'll post in the other threads that are dedicated to these patches/updates from now on

[nino33]

so I tried the realism patch and I think almost everything was the same. NHL scoring was reduced a bit, that's good, I'm happy with that part of the sim. However, scoring in the WHL was still through the roof with 38 players over 100 points. Is the patch suppose to improve that in any way or is it because "the WHL hasn't been upated yet" for Manimal Rosters

The patch was called the "NHL Realism Patch" at first, and then it was shown to help reduce scoring in the KHL too.....I'm not sure if anyone tested the WHL (or any Major Junior).....I think you'll have to try again once Manimal's completed the WHL update to see if updated WHL rosters helps...

[bobmcgoo]

Okay, so I tried the realism patch and I think almost everything was the same. NHL scoring was reduced a bit, that's good, I'm happy with that part of the sim. However, scoring in the WHL was still through the roof with 38 players over 100 points. Is the patch suppose to improve that in any way or is it because "the WHL hasn't been upated yet" for Manimal Rosters, as Nino wrote.

the patch was aimed at fixing the NHL, and coincidentally it fixes European leagues as well, according to our resident expert. did you have all leagues set to "quick sim"? the patch only works properly if you have the leagues you want on a "full detail" sim, so that's the first thing to check. let us know =)

i'm not sure what the WHL roster situation is at the moment; if the database for the WHL teams is empty or incomplete then the patch will be useless because the game will generate all or most of the players itself when the game starts and they won't be edited by the patch. maybe Manimal or someone can confirm this or not? or even if the rosters are full, if you choose a low database setting before the game starts then it will still generate unpatched players. but i'd be surprised if it fixes the NHL and European leagues but not other leagues with high scoring.

[archibalduk]

Also, with the Calder trophy. I used the player info generator, the ineligible candidates did not compete for the trophy, which is what what I wanted. No more Patty Kane in the running. RNH won. However, when I check the NHL Awards page, it continues to show that Thornton won the Hart in 05/06. The awards page continues to show all winners from the 05-06 season. The information has not been updated to the current season. Does the info generator not fix this or have I not used it properly? I didn't get any errors when using it so I assume it's not the latter.

The Player Info Generator updates players' stats and things such as junior/college and rookie/veteran eligibility. So this is why it fixes things such as the Calder Trophy and NHL waiver eligibility. However the NHL Awards (and other league awards) is a different aspect of the database which hasn't been updated yet. This is however something I am working towards (I post updates on my progress in my blog).

[batdad]

Yep. The WHL has not been updated for some time. I think since Lidas first did an update 3-4 years ago. So it is just odd. Manimal is currently doing a WHL update and we will have it in the near future. No idea how it will work with realism patch. Cause it can't be tested til it is done.

[MKoivuFan]

the players who are being selected in the ohl draft irl today are they in the game or no for prospects...

[Manimal]

the players who are being selected in the ohl draft irl today are they in the game or no for prospects...

No, they are not. They will be added during the summer

[C0medyClub]

Okay, so I tried the realism patch and I think almost everything was the same. NHL scoring was reduced a bit, that's good, I'm happy with that part of the sim. However, scoring in the WHL was still through the roof with 38 players over 100 points. Is the patch suppose to improve that in any way or is it because "the WHL hasn't been upated yet" for Manimal Rosters, as Nino wrote.

the patch was aimed at fixing the NHL, and coincidentally it fixes European leagues as well, according to our resident expert. did you have all leagues set to "quick sim"? the patch only works properly if you have the leagues you want on a "full detail" sim, so that's the first thing to check. let us know =)

Ya; I quick simmed the entire season/set vacation.

Okay, thanks guys. Those were the only questions I had. I look forward to the updated version of the game we all love

[bobmcgoo]

Ya; I quick simmed the entire season/set vacation.

Okay, thanks guys. Those were the only questions I had. I look forward to the updated version of the game we all love

There's your problem then. Archi, if people are still downloading the patch is there any chance you could update the download page so that people know to run leagues in full detail? Also that it seems to fix European leagues as well. The AHL, OHL, QMJHL and WHL thing is interesting me now; i will run a sim to check these leagues with the patch.

[archibalduk]

Yep I can update it for you tomorrow

[C0medyClub]

What is with the AHL? I noticed Lake Erie, Adirondack and St.Johns didn't appear in the standings. I tried using the DB editor. I've added Lake Erie to the West division but it removed Oklahoma. I can't seem to add the other teams to any division and if it does work, another team is removed.

[batdad]

Have a read. It is probably in 20000 threads and in some of them on the last page as to why. Count the number of teams in the AHL now. Count the number of teams that were in the AHL when this game was first made.

Or...read around a bit and you will find out.

Then check the game in other leagues.

Then check last year's AHL standings...you will figure it out.

and for bonus points...check out the WHL and what teams are missing. Then check out the # of teams in WHL, and # of teams when EHM was made. Then check other leagues for the missing teams...

Reading helps us all learn

[C0medyClub]

I quickly searched 'AHL' and didn't see anything relating to this specific issue when it came to this DB so I assumed...

Well, there were only 27 teams in the AHL back then. Fair enough. I thought perhaps it was an error with my game or something.

[batdad]

Also would not shock me if it was in the "readme" file for Manimal update.


ETA: And I just searched "AHL" and found several posts, including one in the thread right below this one...very recent...advising of the AHL issues in the game now that it has 30 teams and what Manimal does to resolve this.

So I dunno what happened. IT even shows our last 3 posts here.

[janbuc]

New players (HDD Olimpija):
Matic Boh (G)
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=34321

Sergei Smirnov (D)
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=94682

Anže Bernik (C)
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=98022

Ken Ograjenšek (RW)
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=20807

Miha Verlič (C)
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=34328

[nino33]

Hi Janbuc.....for specific feedback on the Manimal Rosters I think you'll want to use this thread http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... &start=250

[janbuc]

Hi Janbuc.....for specific feedback on the Manimal Rosters I think you'll want to use this thread http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... &start=250

ok, sry

[MKoivuFan]

sorry if this is the wrong spot to post this but my question is if i enter in the enter the 2012 selections myself in the game via editor and then change the date to 2012 with the patch would the game crash?

[Manimal]

sorry if this is the wrong spot to post this but my question is if i enter in the enter the 2012 selections myself in the game via editor and then change the date to 2012 with the patch would the game crash?

No