1974/75: Nino's Rosters - Mario Lemieux as an 8 year old

[CJ]

Now when I looked at the "new" faces ingame some didn't work. Gretzky and older players works fine, but the youngster doesn't.
When I looked at Lemieux ingame, his birthdate was 7.7.97?! In the DB you have (which is correct) 5.10.97, and so does the picture of him. So it doesn't show up cuz they all have random birthdates (but not year). Anyone know why?

And Lindros was 0 years old? He was born 2005, so why is he zero years old, another thing that is weird.
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Here you have the "Team Backgrounds" for all the NHL teams. And they work.
Link: http://www10.zippyshare.com/v/95267617/file.html
Screenshot URL (if you wanna use it): http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq20 ... 6725e7.png


All backgrounds are in this pack (by default they're 2013), so users have to change the backgrounds manually to get the 1974 showing. I will also send this to Archi so he can update my "background" thread where they originally came from. And put a "readme" in there.

[nino33]

Here you have the "Team Backgrounds" for all the NHL teams.

Awesome! Thanks much! They look great!

When I looked at Lemieux ingame, his birthdate was 7.7.97?! In the DB you have (which is correct) 5.10.97, and so does the picture of him. So it doesn't show up cuz they all have random birthdates (but not year). Anyone know why?

That's really weird. I just started up a new game, and Lemieux's DOB shows as 5/10/97 which seems correct but the game has mixed up month/day (checking the editor it should show correctly)...but Eric Lindros's birthday does not show correctly at all! It should be 2/28/05 but it shows in-game as 6/1/05...weird (never noticed this before)

And Lindros was 0 years old? He was born 2005, so why is he zero years old

With the game changing his month/day of birth, was he born September-December 2005? As that would make him less than 12 months old at start-up HaHa

[CJ]

That's really weird. Maybe someone else in this forum knows why this is happening? If this can't be fixed then it's impossible to get the pictures to work. And the weird thing is that it's only the "kids". Gretzky is 13 and that was okay. Maybe it's something that happens if they're born after "2000" or something!?

[archibalduk]

Weird... I checked in a backup from the sim I was running yesterday with a 1974 start date and I have a similar issue. I can't check Lemieux as it looks like he retired early, but Lindros has the wrong DOB (it's listed as 18 Jan 1973 rather than 28 Feb).

I don't have time to test this right now, but I wonder if it would make any difference if the 'Birth Year' field in the Editor is set to zero or 1900. I very much doubt it, but I can't think of anything else. Unless perhaps EHM doesn't like such young players, like CJ suggests. Joe Nieuwendyk is another player with a wrong DOB and he was only 7 at the game start. Normally regens are 14 years old in North America IIRC and so this might explain why players younger than 13 or 14 have the wrong DOB.

It's a bit of a shame facepacks aren't possible for these players, but at least EHM can accommodate really young players in the DB without any other problems.

[nino33]

I’m currently still working on EU/Russian player Attributes (a LOT of work has been put in)…I often like to have vintage games running on my small TV “in the background” and currently I’m watching the 1981 Canada Cup, complete with original commercials.

There’s a commercial where Team Canada Head Coach Scotty Bowman is advertising “molded skates” (a hard plastic outer shell boot) and he’s promoting them with his 8 year old son and when watching it suddenly occurred to me…the young 8 year old kid putting on the skates in the commercial is the current Vice President and General Manager of the Chicago Blackhawks! HaHa



Lots has been getting done in recent days. From less than 100 when initially released, the 1974 database currently has 924 historical European/Russian players!

I've been setting Attributes using variable range amounts (simple excel formula, thanks Arch!) based on the Attribute as well as player criteria (like age, position, stats, international experience) - I've already inputted Attributes for Adaptability, Determination, Pressure, Professionalism, Sportsmanship, Temperament, and Loyalty...as well as Aggression, Fighting, Bravery, Dirtiness, Leadership, Team Work & the skating Attributes too (Acceleration, Agility, Balance, Speed).

Currently I'm working on CA and PA, and I'll be doing Offensive/Defensive Role next (I already have the criteria/guidelines set up)...and I also intend on doing Pass Tendency and I think Hitting and Movement too.

The CSD Patch now allowing for a retro (1974) start date is very motivating!

Back to work!

[nino33]

Here are the current Elite League teams in the 1974 database (red font = no historical players)
I "hate" team editing (it's been the source of many headaches/heartaches for me) and I was creating teams and moving teams around and constantly testing and when I ran into some repetitive issues/crashes I promptly stopped any further team editing!

FYI - I do plan to (eventually) populate the Elite League teams that have no players with below average-average "fake" players, as well as add them to rosters that need additional players; as well I'll likely work a bit more on team names in the future


Finnish Elite League
HIFK Helsinki
Hämeenlinna
Jokerit Helsinki
KooVee Tampere
Kuopio
Lahti
Lappeenranta
Oulu
Pori
Rauma
Tampere I
Tappara Tampere
Turku
TuTo Turku

Swedish Elitserien
AIK
Brynäs IF
Djurgårdens IF
Färjestads BK
HV71
Leksands IF
MODO Hockey
Mora IK
Skellefteå AIK
Södertälje SK
Timrå IK
Västra Frölunda HC

Russian Elite League
Chelyabinsk Traktor
Cherepovets
CSKA Moscow
Dynamo Riga
Gorky Torpedo
Kazan
Kiev Sokol
Krylja Sovetov
Magnitogorsk
Moscow Dynamo
Moscow Spartak
Novokuznetsk
Novosibirsk
Omsk
Saint-Petersburg
Sverdlovsk Automobilist
Tver
Ufa
Voskresensk
***some Russian teams with historical players don't have a full roster***
***Sokol Kiev from the Belarus Hockey League has historical players too***

Czech Elite League
Brno
Budějovice
Hamé
HC Dukla Jihlava
Karlovy Vary
Kladno
Liberec
Litvinov
Pardubice
Plzeň
Praha Sp
Slavia Praha
Třinec
Vítkovice
***some Czech teams with historical players don't have a full roster***

Slovenska T-Com Extraliga
Dukla Trenčín
HC Košice
HC Slovan Slovnaft Bratislava
HK 36 Skalica
HK AQUACITY Poprad
HKd Nitra
HKm Zvolen
MHC Martin
MHk 32 LI-PA Liptovský Mikuláš
MsHK Žilina
***some Slovak teams with historical players don't have a full roster***

[nino33]

I’m watching the 1981 Canada Cup

Canada's line of "Gilbert Perreault - Wayne Gretzky - Guy Lafleur" was really flying in September 1981...an offensive force, tons of skill/talent, full speed line rushes/plays...until Perreault broke his ankle against Sweden

[CJ]

Do you need any help with the Finnish Elite League. I know it must be hard for you to find info of it as probably most of the things are probably in finnish written. Like team names, team colors etc. Logos for the teams I can at least do.

[nino33]

Do you need any help with the Finnish Elite League. I know it must be hard for you to find info of it as probably most of the things are probably in finnish written. Like team names, team colors etc. Logos for the teams I can at least do.

I'd love some help with team colours/logos!

For Finland/Sweden I'm OK with rosters and team names I think (I'll gladly receive team name suggestions/corrections, but may not address them immediately)...I've actually received a PDF Guide/translations/feedback from SharksAttack ages ago on Finland, and have already received feedback from SharksAttack today via PM!
FYI - in this initial period of editing I used the websites hockeydb and eliteprospects primarily

FYI - I do plan to (eventually) populate the Elite League teams that have no players with below average-average "fake" players, as well as add them to rosters that need additional players

Just to clarify...I will not use fake players for any team that actually existed in 1974. At this stage of development I focused just on those teams/players that were playing in the top league in 1974, and haven't delved into determining further/needed details yet (I've got enough to do! HaHa)


P.S. Based on feedback received from SharksAttack it's likely in the future I'll be replacing Lahti and Kuopio with Sport Vaasa and FoPS Forssa (both were promoted to SM-Liiga in 1975)

[Manimal]

Do you still have the info on the Swedish teams I sent you way back?

[nino33]

Do you still have the info on the Swedish teams I sent you way back?

I should have/thought I did, but I can't find it...any chance you send it again? Thanks

[CJ]

P.S. Based on feedback received from SharksAttack it's likely in the future I'll be replacing Lahti and Kuopio with Sport Vaasa and FoPS Forssa (both were promoted to SM-Liiga in 1975)

Sport Vaasa only played in SM-Liiga in "1975-76", so I would skip them.

FoPS only played in SM-Liiga two seasons (75-77), so I wouldn't necessary choose them either.

Lahti I would keep. They were named "Lahden Reipas" in 1974 (but didn't play in SM-Liiga). But changed the name to "Kiekkoreipas Lahti" in 75? And played from 1976-1985, 1990-1994 and 1999 forward in SM-Liiga. And they've had a few players drafted by the NHL in the 80's.

There's Jyväskylä JYP which played in SM-Liiga from 1985 and forward. Called "Jyp HT" back in the day.

Then there's "KalPa Kuopio" they played 1986-99, 2005 forward in SM-Liiga.

You also have Hämeenlinna HPK included, they played in SM-Liiga from 1983-84, 1988 forward.

If you want my opinion I'd go with "Kiekkoreipas from Lahti" and "Jyp HT from Jyväskylä". As you play EHM many seasons I think it's better to have these long standing teams included there instead.

[nino33]

Thanks for the feedback (I've sent it to myself via PM and saved it in my Saved Messages folder)

You also have Hämeenlinna HPK included, they played in SM-Liiga from 1983-84, 1988 forward.

Hämeenlinna should have been in red font (now fixed), as there are no historical players on the team

[nino33]

Hello to those that play EHM07 but don't (always) play North American leagues/teams!

In EHM07 my understanding is there is relegation/promotion in Sweden (Elitserien/Allsvenskan)...what about in Finland? the Czech Republic? Slovakia? Russia?

[archibalduk]

There is in Finland and I think there is in the Czech Republic and Slovakia. There isn't relegation in Russia.

This is for EHM 2005, but it shows which leagues have relegation/promotion/etc (I don't think much changed for EHM 2007): http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/wiki/inde ... mpetitions

[CJ]

Hämeenlinna should have been in red font (now fixed), as there are no historical players on the team

That's what I was thinking. But I'd keep 'em also.

In EHM07 my understanding is there is relegation/promotion in Sweden (Elitserien/Allsvenskan)...what about in Finland? the Czech Republic? Slovakia? Russia?

Yes for Sweden and Finland. Dunno for the rest. It's pretty weird here in Finland with those things. I think they used to promote/relegate teams here every year back in the day (looking in wikipedia). But these days it's very rare anyone gets promoted/relegated, as the winner from mestis has to play a "7 game playoff" against the "SM-Liiga" team who's in the last position. 2005 KalPa from Kuopio was promoted to SM-Liiga only because the team number was raised from 12 to 13 in SM-Liiga. (= no one got relegated) 1999 was the last time someone got promoted and relegated.

This is for EHM 2005, but it shows which leagues have relegation/promotion/etc (I don't think much changed for EHM 2007): http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/wiki/inde ... mpetitions

I only know Finland good, but in that list it's wrong for the Finnish SM-Liiga. Probably right at the time when it was made, but not anymore.

[Lazion]

P.S. Based on feedback received from SharksAttack it's likely in the future I'll be replacing Lahti and Kuopio with Sport Vaasa and FoPS Forssa (both were promoted to SM-Liiga in 1975)

Sport Vaasa only played in SM-Liiga in "1975-76", so I would skip them.

FoPS only played in SM-Liiga two seasons (75-77), so I wouldn't necessary choose them either.

Lahti I would keep. They were named "Lahden Reipas" in 1974 (but didn't play in SM-Liiga). But changed the name to "Kiekkoreipas Lahti" in 75? And played from 1976-1985, 1990-1994 and 1999 forward in SM-Liiga. And they've had a few players drafted by the NHL in the 80's.

There's Jyväskylä JYP which played in SM-Liiga from 1985 and forward. Called "Jyp HT" back in the day.

Then there's "KalPa Kuopio" they played 1986-99, 2005 forward in SM-Liiga.

You also have Hämeenlinna HPK included, they played in SM-Liiga from 1983-84, 1988 forward.

If you want my opinion I'd go with "Kiekkoreipas from Lahti" and "Jyp HT from Jyväskylä". As you play EHM many seasons I think it's better to have these long standing teams included there instead.

You forgot Oulu. They played in SML few seasons in 60's and from 77 to 89 winning one championship during that time.
And they had great dynasty in modern day SM-league.

[CJ]

Oh yeah that's right. I didn't really forget them, just didn't mention them. But they should also be included.

[M Ace]

Here you have the "Team Backgrounds" for all the NHL teams.

Awesome! Thanks much! They look great!

When I looked at Lemieux ingame, his birthdate was 7.7.97?! In the DB you have (which is correct) 5.10.97, and so does the picture of him. So it doesn't show up cuz they all have random birthdates (but not year). Anyone know why?

That's really weird. I just started up a new game, and Lemieux's DOB shows as 5/10/97 which seems correct but the game has mixed up month/day (checking the editor it should show correctly)...but Eric Lindros's birthday does not show correctly at all! It should be 2/28/05 but it shows in-game as 6/1/05...weird (never noticed this before)

And Lindros was 0 years old? He was born 2005, so why is he zero years old

With the game changing his month/day of birth, was he born September-December 2005? As that would make him less than 12 months old at start-up HaHa

All players that are born after 1st of July 1993 will get a random birthdate. I have found that out during all the years of editing. Don't know why but that is how it is.

Hope it helps!

[CJ]

Here you have SM-Liiga team names/city with their team colours. Some of them might of course be incorrect, as it's almost impossible to find any pictures of old shirts.

I dunno how they'll look ingame, but once the colours are in there, "I" see if they look like the team or not. Some probably has to switch from "primary" to "secondary" colour. That I can only see ingame.

[nino33]

Do you still have the info on the Swedish teams I sent you way back?

I should have/thought I did, but I can't find it...any chance you send it again? Thanks

Email/spreadsheet received (and already saved in the database folder so I don't lose it!)...thanks much!

There is in Finland and I think there is in the Czech Republic and Slovakia. There isn't relegation in Russia.
This is for EHM 2005, but it shows which leagues have relegation/promotion/etc (I don't think much changed for EHM 2007): http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/wiki/inde ... mpetitions

Thanks Arch! And thanks to jhcjobpb/Lazion too for your feedback

Here you have SM-Liiga team names/city with their team colours. Some of them might of course be incorrect, as it's almost impossible to find any pictures of old shirts.....I dunno how they'll look ingame, but once the colours are in there, "I" see if they look like the team or not. Some probably has to switch from "primary" to "secondary" colour. That I can only see ingame.

Thanks much!

All players that are born after 1st of July 1993 will get a random birthdate. I have found that out during all the years of editing. Don't know why but that is how it is.Hope it helps!

Good to know! Thanks!
I think like the height/weight issue this issue can addressed using the old SavedGame Editor, but will hopefully soon be "fixable" using csv style files and the SavedGame Updater (once Archi creates it! HaHa)

[CJ]

I'm also updating the NHL logos, some have older and some newer than 1974. And of course the SM-Liiga logos also. They'll be in "3D".

You're probably keeping the NHL team colours? Like I'd keep the Maple Leaf logo white cuz the titlebar is blue etc. You changing it to white then I'd have to switch the logo to blue. Just asking cause of that.

Should I switch the Ottawa logo to the Senators logo I had in the background?

PS: Just lemme know if I'm asking too many questions.

[nino33]

You're probably keeping the NHL team colours?

Yes. Besides compiling a NA Team/Competition logo pack (along with Archi) and an NHL facepack XenHL also provided me with team colours for the NHL/AHL/CHL and Major Junior
http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... le#p136569
http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... le#p140042

Should I switch the Ottawa logo to the Senators logo I had in the background?

I think ideally whenever there's options provide them both/all and let the end user choose what they prefer

PS: Just lemme know if I'm asking too many questions.

Not a problem at all!

Currently I'm working on CA and PA, and I'll be doing Offensive/Defensive Role next

Still working on CA/PA, about 2/3 done...

[CJ]

I think ideally whenever there's options provide them both/all and let the end user choose what they prefer

Ok, I'll keep as many logos as possible.

[Animal31]

Nino - I've sent a message to Riz regarding the ECHL crash I've been encountering. Perhaps he'll be able to give an indication of what might cause the error and crash.

OK (thanks!)
That's weird, as I have never had the issue occur (and when I do tests I select all leagues as enhanced)
I haven't done a multi-season test in awhile, but I regularly do "load up/advance a bit" tests

EDIT - Issue resolved/no concerns

do you remember how you fixed it, and what caused it?