TBL Rosters 2012-2013; Mistakes, omissions, tweaks etc

[smokey]

I've been starting a game in the CHL (central hockey league) now, and seeing how there's been a dramatic decrease in teams in the CHL over the last years, I think it's a good idea to combine the current CHL with the LNAH of Quebec. However, especially the LNAH teams have both roster and arena issues. Missing some of the toughest heavyweights in the sport is bad enough, but some teams don't have an arena and one team is missing all together.

To make the league a bit more enjoyable I juggled teams between the CHL, the UHL, the AHL and the ECHL as follows:
Augusta Riverhawks (UHL) -> defunct
Trenton Titans (UHL) -> defunct
Texas Stars (ECHL) -> AHL
Peoria Rivermen (AHL) -> UHL
Bloomington Blaze (CHL) -> Bloomington Thunder (UHL)
HC Carvena de Sorel-Tracy (CHL) -> Eperviers de Sorel-Tracy (CHL)
Valleyfield Braves -> CHL
Utica Comets -> AHL

Then changed affiliations and moved players so that St. Louis <-> Chicago Wolves and Canucks <-> Utica.
I also added the following arenas: Centre Premier Tech (capacity 3500, 2800 seated) to Riviere-du-Loup 3L and Palais des Sports (capacity 3500) to Jonquiere Marquis. Also changed the LNAH teams fan support etc to match that of the other teams in the CHL.

With this re-alignment the UHL is now what the SPHL is in reality, the CHL is pretty much the real life CHL + LNAH (only one CHL team missing), the ECHL and AHL have been updated.

If you'd like I could do the rosters for the UHL (SPHL) and CHL (CHL+LNAH) with this kind of re-alignment, if only to make two playable leagues actually enjoyable. Plus, I've got those missing heavyweights already scouted.

[Manimal]

I've been starting a game in the CHL (central hockey league) now, and seeing how there's been a dramatic decrease in teams in the CHL over the last years, I think it's a good idea to combine the current CHL with the LNAH of Quebec. However, especially the LNAH teams have both roster and arena issues. Missing some of the toughest heavyweights in the sport is bad enough, but some teams don't have an arena and one team is missing all together.

That team isn't missing altogether. It wasn't there last season.
The problem right now is that we have one team too many for the minor leagues. One of the LNAH teams will have to play somewhere else(FHL?)

I have set up the other changes in the minor leagues and the new affiliations

If you'd like I could do the rosters for the UHL (SPHL) and CHL (CHL+LNAH) with this kind of re-alignment, if only to make two playable leagues actually enjoyable. Plus, I've got those missing heavyweights already scouted.

I am updating the SPHL rosters as they sign on for the new season.
I haven't looked at the LNAH yet. I know there were about 25 players missing from the db last year and I've never looked at team info
I would very much appreciate any help you can offer.
Send me a PM that includes your e-mail adress and we'll talk some more about how to set it up

[Fredlig]

How is the researching for the swedish teams going? Is there any spot open in the SHL?

[Manimal]

How is the researching for the swedish teams going? Is there any spot open in the SHL?

It is going very slow. As is most of the research atm.
I have made the team promotion/demotions and player transfers, that is all.
If you want to re-rate the SHL, then that would be very appreciated!

[Fredlig]

Okey, sounds nice. is there any old CSV/XML file i can edit?

[Manimal]

Okey, sounds nice. is there any old CSV/XML file i can edit?

PM me your e-mail adress and I'll get you what you need late tonight

[kabbott50]

Jason King has retired from professional hockey and has joined the St. John's IceCaps coaching staff as an Assistant.

[Animal31]

Goes to show that 100 points in a QJMHL season doesnt really mean anything in the long run

[Manimal]

Jason King has retired from professional hockey and has joined the St. John's IceCaps coaching staff as an Assistant.

Thnaks for the update!
I had already seen the news and made him a coach in the db.

[kabbott50]

Jason King has retired from professional hockey and has joined the St. John's IceCaps coaching staff as an Assistant.

Thnaks for the update!
I had already seen the news and made him a coach in the db.

Awesome!

I'll throw another one out, but you probably already saw this too - Mike Keane was hired by the Jets as Player Development Assistant. Maybe the short name would be a scout? I don't know!

[kabbott50]

Goes to show that 100 points in a QJMHL season doesnt really mean anything in the long run

Not when you receive three concussions in the last four years.

[Manimal]

Jason King has retired from professional hockey and has joined the St. John's IceCaps coaching staff as an Assistant.

Thnaks for the update!
I had already seen the news and made him a coach in the db.

Awesome!

I'll throw another one out, but you probably already saw this too - Mike Keane was hired by the Jets as Player Development Assistant. Maybe the short name would be a scout? I don't know!

I think scout is the closest thing to his job
For the moment I had to put him on St. John's as the Jets have filled all scouting spots in the db.
Some day, I'll get around to updating the NHL staff, I hope

[Animal31]

Sounds more like an assistant coach to me

Also David Conte should be the Devils Head Scout, he's directer of scouting, but thats not a thing in the game, head scout is as close as it gets


Other staff for the Devils are
Coaches:
Peter DeBoer - Head
Dave Barr - Powerplay
Scott Stevens - Defence
Mike Foligno - Forwards
Chris Terreri - Goalie
Jacques Laperriere - Special Assignment
Jacques Lemarie - Special Assignment

Rick Howlasky - Albany Head
Tommy Albelin - Albany Assistant
Dave Caruso - Albany Goalie

Charimen?/Owners- Josh Harris, David Blitzer
President - Hugh Weber

Director of scouting/Head Scout - David Conte
Assistant GM (Assistant Director of Scouting)/Scout- Claude Carrier
Marcel Pronovost
Bob Hoffmeyer
Timi Blomqvist
Jeremy Conte
Glen Dirk
Milt Fisher
Dan Labraaten
Scott Lachance
Jan Ludvig
Pierre Mondou
Gates Orlando
Larry Perris
Lou Reycroft
Ravlac Slansky
Steve Smith
Geoff Stevens
Ed Thomlinson

unfortunatly thats like 20 scouts, you can put some as Albany Scouts i guess

Albany's GM is Chris Lamoriello
Albany's trainers are
Scott Stanhibel
Andrew Schmidt
and Elliot Newton

[Animal31]

Sergei Brylin has just been named assistant coach of the Albany Devils

[Lindros88]

Duno if you have found these but:

Tyler Arnason has his history missing from 06-07 to present day.

Grant Besse (Anaheim prospect and Mr. Hockey 12-13) is missing. There is one other Anaheim prospect AWOL as well... but I forgot which and did not note it down.

I know the new rosters are supposed to be out soon... but I thought maybe they would be missing from that as well.

[Manimal]

Duno if you have found these but:

Tyler Arnason has his history missing from 06-07 to present day.

Grant Besse (Anaheim prospect and Mr. Hockey 12-13) is missing. There is one other Anaheim prospect AWOL as well... but I forgot which and did not note it down.

I know the new rosters are supposed to be out soon... but I thought maybe they would be missing from that as well.

Thanks, but I've added all draftees from this summer.
And Arnason is now retired

[Fredlig]

Jakob Silfverberg -> wrong birth date, should be 1990-10-13
Nathan Gerbe -> wrong birth date, should be 1987-07-24
Tyler Johnson -> wrong birth date, should be 1990-07-29
Antoine Bibeau -> wrong birth date, should be 1994-05-01

[Manimal]

Jakob Silfverberg -> wrong birth date, should be 1990-10-13
Nathan Gerbe -> wrong birth date, should be 1987-07-24
Tyler Johnson -> wrong birth date, should be 1990-07-29
Antoine Bibeau -> wrong birth date, should be 1994-05-01

Thanks! Updated

[squadz]

Some tweaks regarding the Leafs that I've noticed..

Nazem Kadri - his potential/skill is too low, he's a potential 1st liner, but he does terribly in every sim I've done
Jake Gardiner - same as above, potential 1/2 D-man, but he also does terribly (low ratings, no points etc.)
Nikolai Kulemin - he's a 2nd/3rd line guy now, in the game he's an absolute beast, needs to be toned down slightly
Tyler Bozak - he should be bumped up to a 2nd line center (currenty 3rd line), he needs some tweaks to improve him

All I have for now. Great job on the rosters.

[batdad]

Kadri--No he is not. 2nd line, average player
Gardiner...3-4 dman tops
Kulemin--Barely a 2nd liner, really a 3rd liner
Bozak--At best a 2nd line centre, but on a team with actual centres would be a 3 line guy. Wont even be the 2nd best centre on the Loafs when Bolland is back

Leaf fans make me laugh.

[10minmail]

Kadri--No he is not. 2nd line, average player
Gardiner...3-4 dman tops
Kulemin--Barely a 2nd liner, really a 3rd liner
Bozak--At best a 2nd line centre, but on a team with actual centres would be a 3 line guy. Wont even be the 2nd best centre on the Loafs when Bolland is back

Leaf fans make me laugh.

Clearly a Leaf hater

Bozak isn't a second line C though. I will agree with that. More so third line. He's only top lines cause he's good friends Kessel.
Gardiner and Kadri have never been secrets.. they are projected to be top guys. Kadri does need a boost though he's only looking better and better. Gardiner while good, isn't quite there yet, and does deserve to be made an NHL guy in the game.
Kulemin does need to be toned down alot. He did look really good with Grabo and Mac, the year before the update though.

The above poster is correct, those players do need some work. Along with Reimer. (then again, the whole roster should be looked at now, as we're in a much better place than a two year old attribute roster, as most weren't edited for the last update) Batdad, I do suggest paying more attention to the league as a whole before hating on one team. It makes you look quite dumb. Every analyst in the world thinks Kadri and Gardiner are going to be top line guys, but you don't, so that must mean they suck.

[Manimal]

Clearly a Leaf hater

Batdad, I do suggest paying more attention to the league as a whole before hating on one team.

LOL.
Batdad does not hate one team. He hates them all !

And don't worry. All players are being updated

[batdad]

Just saying...will Kadri be a 1st line guy on a good team or an average or a weak team...same for Gardiner?


They will not be top line guys on a good team. So in the isolated case of Toronto...they are top line guys. But when you look at other players on other teams...they are not top line guys. If they were...the Eastern Conference would actually be as good as the West. But they are not....because they cannot compete with the top line guys on the other teams. And they will not. I say the same thing about several other teams whose players always get pumped. Vancouver, Montreal, Calgary, Edmonton all get pump ups for their players here.

Kulemin-Would at best be a third line guy on a top level team. YOU NEED TO BE OUT OF THE BUBBLE. Is he better than Couture was at one point, or Giroux (who admittedly has not been good this year so far) or Sedin was or Thornton was..or even Backes. POTENTIALLY Which of the top centres in the for ague was he better than for potential and who is he better than RIGHT NOW?

If you were to rank potentials of all top line centres in the league for when they came to the league as potential top line guys where would Kadri rank...

Lets look...for arguement sake the guys he is better than potentially are bolded. the guys he is better than right now are CAPITALIZED and the guys he is better than both are CAPITALIZED and bolded.

1 Getzlaf
2 Kopitar
3 Thornton or Pavelski or Couture
4 Ribeiro or Hanzal
5 Jamie Benn
6 H Sedin
7 NUGENT HOPKINS
8 BACKLUND
9 Duchene or Stastny
10 Datsyuk
11 Parise
12 Toews
13 Backes
14 JOHANSEN or UMBERGER
15 Legwand or Fisher
16 Giroux
17 Crosby
18 Backstrom
19 Stepan or Richards
20 Krecji
21 Stamkos
22 Plekanec
23 Staal
24 Tavares
25 JOKINEN OR LITTLE
26 BJUGSTAND or BARKOV
27 Spezza
28 Hodgson
29ZAJAC

So Kadri is potentially better (at the early point in career than were

1. Pavelski--A good teams # 3 centre
2. Hanzal--a decent teams #2 centre
3. Stastny--a decent teams #1A centre (dead heat with Duchene)
4. Johansen and Umberger---A WEAK teams #1 and #2 centre
5. Legwand or Fisher--and this is questionable as Legwand was considered a stud and has become an average teams #1A centre, and Fisher the same.
6. Jokinen and Little--An average to weak team #1A centres...arguable both would be 2 or 3 on any other team in the league.
7. Bjugstand and Barkov--weak team, young guys just like Kadri, and arguable that one or both of these players would and could become better than Kadri.
8. Zajac--Yep better than him potentially
9 Backlund--obvious (Also arguably Calgary 2 or 3 C behind Monahan and Stajan. ANd he is not of higher potential than Monahan.

And who on that list is he better than right now?

1. RNH
2. JOhanson and Umberger
3. maybe Legwand or Fisher, but I would argue I would rather have Fisher right now for what he brings.
4. JOkinen and Little--Weak team or at least not very darn good.
5.Zajac--yeah maybe but how is NJ doing?
6. Hodgson--yeah maybe but how is Buffalo doing^

So if you think Kadri is a REAL TRUE #1 centre and should be rated that way for potential that is fine. But there then have to be at least 3 other clubs that have 2nd and possibly third line C better than the 1st line guy that Kadri is. (SJ( Thornton, Pavelski, Couture), LA (Richards, Kopitar), Van (Sedin Kesler) Det (Datsyuk, Zetterberg), Pitt (Crosby, Malkin), And I am sure a few more like COlorado (Duchene et a)....

If Kadri is a #1 Centre it is really only in the bubble that is known as the TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS...a team which is buried in mediocrity at best. I understand leaf fans are hopeful...but let us be honest...of the C on the other 29 teams he is going to be better than maybe 9-10 of the top C in the league, and other teams that are good have 2nd and 3rd line C that are better than the weak ones #1s...and thus leave Kadri way way down the list in terms of being a top C in the league.

He would not be in the top 30 C in the league. Bolded guys are guys I MAY want to have replaced by Kadri. Oh wait..there are none.

1 Crosby
2 Malkin
3 Getzlaf
4 Toews
5 Sedin
6 Backstrom
7 Zetterberg
8 Datsyuk
9 Stamkos
10 Giroux
11 Staal
12 Benn
13 thornton
14 Couture
15 Kopitar
16 M Richards
17 Duchene
18 Parise
19 Backes
20 Spezza
21 Miko Koivu
22 Tavares
23 Krecji
24 Stepan
25 B Richards
26 Giroux
27 Ribeiro
28 Kesler
29 Pavelski
30 Steen
31 Seguin

Are all either playing C, or are listed as playing C. Of those 31 I cannot see one I would rather have as the top C on the team. ANd I have not listed Plekanec, Hodgson, Bjugstad, Barkov, Nugent-Hopkins, Legwand, Fisher, Bergeron, Jeff Carter, or several others I am sure.

So...Does Kadri belong in that class...possibly...but near the bottom with all the other guys people think are #1 C potential but are really #2 or in some cases (On a good team) #3 Centres.

Look at the comparisons to Kadri and tell me you really want them as your #1 C. Is he even close to making any of the top level Olympic Teams if he was from that country

Now...do the same with Gardiner, Kulemin and every single other player on the Maple Leafs. Where do they rank? SOrry ,but not close to that.

Now Morgan Reilly...there is a guy with potential to be a #1 on the Leafs that will compare to other teams #1 Dmen.


NOW how is it that I only pay attention to 1 team? LOL. Nice work bud.

And Manimal--I do not hate any of them. I do not love any of them. I analyze them all, not just get my hopes up from reading a scouting report on players on a team that is done by some random dude on HF.

[squadz]

Just saying...will Kadri be a 1st line guy on a good team or an average or a weak team...same for Gardiner?


They will not be top line guys on a good team. So in the isolated case of Toronto...they are top line guys. But when you look at other players on other teams...they are not top line guys. If they were...the Eastern Conference would actually be as good as the West. But they are not....because they cannot compete with the top line guys on the other teams. And they will not. I say the same thing about several other teams whose players always get pumped. Vancouver, Montreal, Calgary, Edmonton all get pump ups for their players here.

Kulemin-Would at best be a third line guy on a top level team. YOU NEED TO BE OUT OF THE BUBBLE. Is he better than Couture was at one point, or Giroux (who admittedly has not been good this year so far) or Sedin was or Thornton was..or even Backes. POTENTIALLY Which of the top centres in the for ague was he better than for potential and who is he better than RIGHT NOW?

If you were to rank potentials of all top line centres in the league for when they came to the league as potential top line guys where would Kadri rank...

Lets look...for arguement sake the guys he is better than potentially are bolded. the guys he is better than right now are CAPITALIZED and the guys he is better than both are CAPITALIZED and bolded.

1 Getzlaf
2 Kopitar
3 Thornton or Pavelski or Couture
4 Ribeiro or Hanzal
5 Jamie Benn
6 H Sedin
7 NUGENT HOPKINS
8 BACKLUND
9 Duchene or Stastny
10 Datsyuk
11 Parise
12 Toews
13 Backes
14 JOHANSEN or UMBERGER
15 Legwand or Fisher
16 Giroux
17 Crosby
18 Backstrom
19 Stepan or Richards
20 Krecji
21 Stamkos
22 Plekanec
23 Staal
24 Tavares
25 JOKINEN OR LITTLE
26 BJUGSTAND or BARKOV
27 Spezza
28 Hodgson
29ZAJAC

So Kadri is potentially better (at the early point in career than were

1. Pavelski--A good teams # 3 centre
2. Hanzal--a decent teams #2 centre
3. Stastny--a decent teams #1A centre (dead heat with Duchene)
4. Johansen and Umberger---A WEAK teams #1 and #2 centre
5. Legwand or Fisher--and this is questionable as Legwand was considered a stud and has become an average teams #1A centre, and Fisher the same.
6. Jokinen and Little--An average to weak team #1A centres...arguable both would be 2 or 3 on any other team in the league.
7. Bjugstand and Barkov--weak team, young guys just like Kadri, and arguable that one or both of these players would and could become better than Kadri.
8. Zajac--Yep better than him potentially
9 Backlund--obvious (Also arguably Calgary 2 or 3 C behind Monahan and Stajan. ANd he is not of higher potential than Monahan.

And who on that list is he better than right now?

1. RNH
2. JOhanson and Umberger
3. maybe Legwand or Fisher, but I would argue I would rather have Fisher right now for what he brings.
4. JOkinen and Little--Weak team or at least not very darn good.
5.Zajac--yeah maybe but how is NJ doing?
6. Hodgson--yeah maybe but how is Buffalo doing^

So if you think Kadri is a REAL TRUE #1 centre and should be rated that way for potential that is fine. But there then have to be at least 3 other clubs that have 2nd and possibly third line C better than the 1st line guy that Kadri is. (SJ( Thornton, Pavelski, Couture), LA (Richards, Kopitar), Van (Sedin Kesler) Det (Datsyuk, Zetterberg), Pitt (Crosby, Malkin), And I am sure a few more like COlorado (Duchene et a)....

If Kadri is a #1 Centre it is really only in the bubble that is known as the TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS...a team which is buried in mediocrity at best. I understand leaf fans are hopeful...but let us be honest...of the C on the other 29 teams he is going to be better than maybe 9-10 of the top C in the league, and other teams that are good have 2nd and 3rd line C that are better than the weak ones #1s...and thus leave Kadri way way down the list in terms of being a top C in the league.

He would not be in the top 30 C in the league. Bolded guys are guys I MAY want to have replaced by Kadri. Oh wait..there are none.

1 Crosby
2 Malkin
3 Getzlaf
4 Toews
5 Sedin
6 Backstrom
7 Zetterberg
8 Datsyuk
9 Stamkos
10 Giroux
11 Staal
12 Benn
13 thornton
14 Couture
15 Kopitar
16 M Richards
17 Duchene
18 Parise
19 Backes
20 Spezza
21 Miko Koivu
22 Tavares
23 Krecji
24 Stepan
25 B Richards
26 Giroux
27 Ribeiro
28 Kesler
29 Pavelski
30 Steen
31 Seguin

Are all either playing C, or are listed as playing C. Of those 31 I cannot see one I would rather have as the top C on the team. ANd I have not listed Plekanec, Hodgson, Bjugstad, Barkov, Nugent-Hopkins, Legwand, Fisher, Bergeron, Jeff Carter, or several others I am sure.

So...Does Kadri belong in that class...possibly...but near the bottom with all the other guys people think are #1 C potential but are really #2 or in some cases (On a good team) #3 Centres.

Look at the comparisons to Kadri and tell me you really want them as your #1 C. Is he even close to making any of the top level Olympic Teams if he was from that country

Now...do the same with Gardiner, Kulemin and every single other player on the Maple Leafs. Where do they rank? SOrry ,but not close to that.

Now Morgan Reilly...there is a guy with potential to be a #1 on the Leafs that will compare to other teams #1 Dmen.


NOW how is it that I only pay attention to 1 team? LOL. Nice work bud.

And Manimal--I do not hate any of them. I do not love any of them. I analyze them all, not just get my hopes up from reading a scouting report on players on a team that is done by some random dude on HF.

That was a lot of wasted time on your part. I was only suggesting where the majority of people feel those players should be ranked.

Kadri - in 2012-13, he was almost a point per game player (44 in 48 games). He finished 22nd in points. Currently, he's on the same pace. So yes, I believe he should be better than a 3rd line guy.
Kulemin - as I mentioned, he has dropped and should be a 2nd or 3rd line player now.
Bozak - As he's shown playing on the top line, he CAN play top line. As I mentioned, again, he is at best a second line center.
Gardiner - you can argue this all you want, the fact is that everyone across the league regards gardiner as a top prospect. There's a reason teams keep asking for him, he's projected to be a very good defenseman.

Leaf fan or not, these are facts, no opinion or bias. Look at the numbers, watch the actual games. No need to argue about this, this thread is devoted to tweaks on the roster, and these were my suggestions.

[batdad]

Dear Squadz,

Yep point a game...always the way to tell if a guy is a stud or not and a sure first line guy. Points...bad teams have guys who get points.

Gardiner--nothing wrong with what I think of him 2-3 dman. He is not the top echelon. He is a very good player but he will not even be Toronto #1 guy in the future. That belongs to Reilly. He would be a #1 dman on many teams. But again, like if Kadri is your top centre in 5 years, that team will NOT be a top level team.

Sorry, but I look at it and that is what I see. From a perspective of not being a fan of any team, but actually following hockey from the time kids hit Bantam all the way through their NHL careers. Examples of guys I have followed and know from day 1 on every single NHL team. Some have been advertised as stars (JOhanson, RNH, Shea Theodore, the Reinharts, Paul Kariya, Joe Sakic, the Niedermeyers, Morgan Reilly are just some of them)

I have been watching these guys for decades. I know players from BC and Lower Mainland the best, but also from the entire WHL which I have been following since I was about 4 or 5 years old.

Its a big picture for me...what makes a good team? Sure a guy like Mayson Raymond is great in Toronto right now. But if he is on your 2nd line are you going to win a Cup?

Simple answer to that is ....no...not likely. More in depth answer is No...not bloody likely. Not unless REimer and Bernier are the 2nd coming of Dryden and Bunny Laroque---Bernier may be ...he may very well be. But still..what are the chances? SLim and none this year, soley based on how much better the west is.

If a guy like Santorelli is on your 2nd line are you going to win a cup? No not likely. Not BLOODY likely.

But...based on what I See from guys on this board and HF and everywhere else...because Santorelli is playing 2nd line in Vancouver people consider him far and wide to be a 2nd line C. Sure he is.....sure he is. But a good one> Hell no.

THat is all I am saying. Look at what else is out there (and it was not really directed at you until you decided to say the dumbest thing ever...that I only follow one team. LOL LOL LOL....KNOW YOUR FACTS before you chirp. Or you may just become another one of those guys that show up here and then get tossed for being ridiculous.