Have you seen Tatar play? Ever, to know where he's at or what his game is and base your opinions? How many Wings games did you watch last season, to know where Cleary's at? Are you just looking at numbers, or did you watch Cleary basically unable to skate most of last season, and then take much more abuse in the playoffs to the point where he went from fans whipping boy... to us feeling kinda' sorry for him? Did you watch Tatar in DET last season to notice that when he had the puck good things happened, even in 4th line ice time with 4th line partners? Or him dominate in the AHL playoffs? Or the few nights with DET where he was one of a small handful of guys still getting shots through to the goalie/net while everyone else seemed to forget how to get shots on?batdad wrote:Sorry, but no sympathy. Get out there and prove to your bosses that you can handle it and are a better option. CLearly Holland and Babcock do not think they are or they would not have resigned Dan when he came to see them even after he had the deal in Philly all but done. Obviously the people that matter---who have a TRACK RECORD of NOTHING BUT GOOD DECISIONS--Feel Tatar et al have not shown they are more capable than CLeary at his point. Maybe some time this year they will...but so far NOPE.
So whine, pout all you want...go home then...who cares? Their attitudes suck if they want to cry and pout....which shows to me EXACTLY why Holland is right to bring back a guy like Cleary over them to play in the bottom 6. They do not need the whiners. ..... You know like Cody Hodgson. BYE BYE.
You seem stuck in Don Cherry-land here, batdad. The land of broad statements based on stereotypes. Tatar is European, so he automatically must be lazy and have a poor attitude, right? And Cleary is Canadian, so his compete level and drive must be far superior and he never whines or decline, right?
Tatar has never shown attitude problems, him speaking up was the first sign of anything in years now, and he's known as an intense competitor on the ice and you see it when he plays, to the point when he first got NHL time a few years ago the vets on the Wings had to get him to ratchet it *down* a little. Cleary spent much of the shortened season last year coasting to be honest, and it drug his linemates down. He ratcheted it up some in the playoffs, but God... he looked downright lazy at times in the regular season. That was why when Abdelkader took over for him on the top line with Datsyuk there was suddenly jump and then scoring there. Dude, if you can't get it done playing alongside Pavel frigging Datsyuk (who can make you look great offensively AND cover for you a bit defensively)... who *can* help you get it done?
You know who whined? Dan Cleary did. Here's what happened: DET offered him a contract earlier in the summer, and he turned it down wanting more money. That better offer never came along, so he went to Philly to get something after stating he'd never come to camp on a PTO. He thought he'd get an offer or something to use for leverage with DET, got only a PTO instead from Philly, then came back to Holland and whined that he wanted a contract, not a PTO, though apparently never backed out on the Philly PTO as a "backup plan" (thus why they were irked and miffed). And Ken Holland gave in for whatever reasons. So who whined? And if Cleary was so valuable, why did he have to take those steps to finally get it done, in September?
