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batdad wrote:Yankee Stadium. Ice is BAD BAD BAD. Snow not helping now. And the goalies are really struggling, although not that really any of the goals were all on them. Brodeur and Lundquist not big fans of this I do not think.
Devils D-men getting really revealed here, Zidlicky, Salvador and Volchenkov especially. Love Strålmans "Kronwall" on Greene before 6-3 :)
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Meh. Those dmen cannot skate well normally. :) And they are getting a bit old. But man the ice is bad, and that is supposed to help slow guys. It is not really helping anyone today.

And on another note...no Rockettes. Too slippery. LOL. You would think they would have thought of that issue, and had something that could go on in place. Maybe Justin Bieber could be the replacement act. Or Celine Dion. Because so far the musical performances have sucked eggs.
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The Rangers are used to playing on bad ice. Maybe that is why they won.
(I have no idea, did not see the game)
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Manimal wrote:The Rangers are used to playing on bad ice. Maybe that is why they won.
(I have no idea, did not see the game)
Rangers won because of Devils horrible defending.
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I have a bet on Florida to beat Detroit tonight they are winning 1-0 so its all good so far :-D
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I hope Detroit loses. Its good for Montreal. Although given how terrible Montreal is playing they don't deserve any luck what so ever.
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coombs14 wrote:I hope Detroit loses. Its good for Montreal. Although given how terrible Montreal is playing they don't deserve any luck what so ever.
Well they lost in a SO. They had two different 2-goal leads that they blew to make it 4-4 (including giving up an awful shortie) and then of course lose in the shootout (because DET never wins the SO).

DET is just so incredibly broken. At this point nobody on the team has any real chemistry with one another save for maybe Nyquist and Tatar, partially because nobody possibly has time to get anything going with anyone else because of all the injuries. 2 or 3 of DET's d-men simply aren't NHL-caliber and are awful, they belong in the KHL or AHL probably.

I don't honestly see any possible way DET makes the playoffs. Injuries don't matter because even when those injured guys ARE Playing, the team doesn't play any better. They are fundamentally broken defensively, and barring a trade to help fix that there simply is no other upside or fixing of them. Ata time when teams behind them are playing better, DET's only starting to play worse and can't hack it against a pathetic team like Florida.
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While its one of the worst Wings teams in a while and fans aren't expecting much, it's quite exaggerated to say no way they make the playoffs...when they currently would if it ended today. If they ever get fully healthy (which they probably won't) they can easily get enough points to maintain their 8th seed. If not healthy they will just have to scratch away like the whole first half. No trades is a bit surprising but I think they are going to see how the off season goes with around $15mil potentially becoming free to play with.
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The Sharks' ECHL-affiliate, the San Fransisco Bulls, has ceased operations effective immediately. Financial reasons, of course.
San Jose had only three guys assigned there
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Manimal wrote:The Sharks' ECHL-affiliate, the San Fransisco Bulls, has ceased operations effective immediately. Financial reasons, of course.
San Jose had only three guys assigned there
They were playing out of the Cow Palace, and only averaged drawing 2,200-some in 18 home games, putting them next-to-worst leaguewide. Tiny markets like Elmira and Kalamazoo were outdoing them (and neither Kalamazoo or Elmira are having the best year at the gate even). So you could see it coming from a long ways away.

A group was reportedly trying to step in to buy them and relocate them to Fresno, but it obviously fell through. It's a good warning to teams: just because you affiliate with the local NHL team doesn't guarantee you any success. Maybe people need to stop looking at geographic affiliation links and instead just too look to how much sense the market makes on its own. SF never really made sense. Orlando did: and they averaging nearly 6,000/game in a nice arena people actually want to go to.

Semi-related news, Edmonton Oilers the other day officially purchased the Bakersfield Condors, which solidifies things there for now.
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jesterx7769 wrote:If they ever get fully healthy (which they probably won't) they can easily get enough points to maintain their 8th seed.
Even if they got 100% healthy, 3 of Kyle Quincey, Brendan Smith, Jakub Kindl, and Brian Lashoff would still need to be playing on the blueline.

There's your Achilles, and no amount of forwards or goalies coming back from injury can or will address that abysmal defensive corps. Quincey and Smith are absolute careless with the puck in their own end, huge defensive liabilities. Lashoff may or may not be ok but they're asking too much of him too soon. And I don't think it's too early to just call Kindl the bust he is.

Only a trade or something can fix that. There is nobody else in the system that can help.
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How much sense does an AHL team in Orlando make to San Jose? How long and how expensive would it be to get their players into the lineup? To them, it is MUCH more about getting the players in to the lineup than it is the $ and cents of the market. Easy access to the player is what matters. The $ and cents and the market...that is up to the OWNERS of the farm team, not the NHL parent, unless of course the parent owns the team. Hence why Vancouver is not happy in Utica and will get out of there as soon as something comes along for them that is closer and makes more sense.

Granted in this case the issue is even less of a concern to the parent Sharks...it is the ECHL team. Only guys who go there from the Sharks have FATAL flaws that have to be corrected before they even have a chance of making the big club. It is overflow, and is usually where prospects go to die. There are exceptions of course...but those guys are guys that "get" the FATAL flaw, listen and beat working on it to death.....until that flaw becomes a strength.

All of this being said, it sucks when a team goes down mid season, but that team that went down has only itself to blame. Noone else, and certainly not anything to do with the parent club.

Sharks can put all 3 of those guys wherever they want. IT is not like those 3 guys are going to be without a place to play. For the other 20 something players...definitely tough luck.

As for the Wings...doom and gloom. Doom and gloom. I would swear they were in the running for Ekbland and Reinhart, and not in the playoffs at this point.
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batdad wrote:Granted in this case the issue is even less of a concern to the parent Sharks...it is the ECHL team. Only guys who go there from the Sharks have FATAL flaws that have to be corrected before they even have a chance of making the big club. It is overflow, and is usually where prospects go to die. There are exceptions of course...but those guys are guys that "get" the FATAL flaw, listen and beat working on it to death.....until that flaw becomes a strength.
Well that's just it: ECHL team was close by, but the AHL team is CLEAR ACROSS THE COUNTRY in Massachusetts. So proximity didn't actually help them.

And the ECHL is more important than you think. Goalies have to play somewhere (ECHL goaltending is basically AHL-caliber to be honest). And it depends on the depth of your system. Right now DET has so many young guys, they had guys like Frk and Tvrdon playing in ECHL Toledo because the Griffins were just too loaded. They finally relented and sent Tvrdon back to junior after realizing how BAD Toledo was and that the coaching was not helping -- losing every night 1-6 doesn't really develop anyone longterm.
batdad wrote:As for the Wings...doom and gloom. Doom and gloom. I would swear they were in the running for Ekbland and Reinhart, and not in the playoffs at this point.
Franzen is back on IR again. DET's #1 C next game will be either Darren Helm or Joakim Andersson. Half the team is Griffins right now.

It's not "gloom and doom" It's the reality. They have been out of a playoff spot and are only currently in the final Eastern spot by 1 point with no games in hand over the chief teams chasing them.
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Marek Tverdon will be nothing more than a guy in and out of the lineup for Detroit. He has attitude issues (the reason and only reason he was in pro hockey this year is that Don Hay was very clear he did not want him back with the Vancouver Giants, and he needed somewhere to play). He would have been dealt last season to Kelowna, except he got hurt. At the start of this year the Rockets were not interested as wanted to see how things went. Eventually, Detroit and the giants talked the Rockets into making the deal this year. The guy Kelowna had to get rid of to bring in Tvrdon is pretty darn good (at the junior level) as well. Hay and Vancouver are about 2 years (even next year) and not this year, and really felt Tvrdon attitude and issues would be a problem more than a help. So....he was not going to play in Van again. Eventually convinced Kelowna to take his rights (not sure that was the best decision the Rockets have ever made---I have seen a ton of Tvrdon, and he brings a bit of offense to the table and flair but defensively, worth ethically and attiudinally....he is a bit of a mess. Lots of skill and skating...not much substance). Kelowna gave up another 20 year old (Franko) to get Tvrdon into the lineup, and quite frankly Franko is a pretty darn good Junior player (I have seen him about 10 times in the last year, and he is always noticeable everywhere on ice...his issues are size, strength and to some extent speed)

And yeah..>san Jose has AHL Team across the country...but...they wish it was closer and if get a chance to do so, they will.

ECHL is not that important to NHL. It is just not. Name more than 10 guys in the NHL playing roles other than 3/4 line 6/7 dman and healthy scratch that played there more than a handful of games. It is few and far between. The guys who can play, and are prospects as decent players tend to go off to Europe instead of ECHL now.

Yeah, Detroit has been an exception in that area in the past, and a few guys have played a fair bit there that are now contributors to the team. But this is NOT the case with most NHL teams. As I have said a 100 times, Detroit does things differently, and Detroit does things right.

Do not confuse me saying that the ECHL is a dumping ground for prospects that will not make it with the idea that I cannot think the ECHL should be used to develop players as being contradictory. It definitely should be, as there are lots of guys out there who if given a chance, could pull a Burrows (although this year he looks like he should head back there). It is just not used the way it could be to develop guys.

And the reason for this? The NHL teams for the most part put too much emphasis on their prospects learning "THEIR SYSTEM" in "THeir organization" than on developing the skills, speed, strength and abilityies of the players who are not the TOP level prospects.

It is doom and gloom. One bad year in 25, how horrible is that? EVery single other NHL team would die to have that.
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batdad wrote:It is doom and gloom. One bad year in 25, how horrible is that? EVery single other NHL team would die to have that.
Lose 5-0 tonight in Philly, looked just awful.

But nope it's ok. batdad says it is.
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He's not saying it's okay. He's saying that it's normal that a season like that happens to any team once in a while and that for Detroit it's even more uncommun. Gosh after all they gave you in the past, what, 15 years you're acting like this? You should become a fan of Montreal overreacting like that.
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I don't think anyone saying it is okay but when you have:
-Datsyuk
-Zetterberg
-Franzen
-Weiss
-Howard
-Alfreddsson

All missing significant time, and be on the cusp of the 8th/9th seed, most teams would dream of that. The defense is awful but if its good enough to be the 8th seed with all those injuries it sure good enough to be the 8th seed with all those guys back. I was really bummed when they missed out on signing Sutter and its really showing now on the blue line.

As I said the season has been over, no one expected stanely cup. Defense is obviously a huge problem but they are going to have big cap space and have made it clear they aren't going to do any moves during the season, even though I would have liked to see them get Smid instead of Flames. This year they are just evaluating young talent with guys like Tatar stepping up, I would considered battling for the 8th seed on a throw away year a success.
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Cough Ottawa cough. 2013.

And exactly Philou. Sure as a fan it sucks to have a bad year any year. But to constantly whine and complain about one bad luck, bad result and not great play in 20 years...

Not to mention you wanted all the young guys because they were better than that old Cleary guy and you get them and it is still the fault of the old farts. To me -- it's the fact that the young guys are not good enough. And that is. I fault of their own. They are late draft picks because the team has won for so long. They are not going to be elite guys drafted in the 5th 7th round last in the round very single time.

Just to me overly harsh on one of the best organizations In the league over the longest period of time. Detroit is the closest thing the NHL has had to a dynasty in 30 years, although the Hawks seem to be in line.

Except that the Hawks are horrible right now too. All teams go through it and it is Detroits turn for down time.

But like I said a long time ago...I am sure there is a better player or management or coach out there or trainer that would return the wings to their glory.
Oh wait...no their is not. Or they would be there.
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batdad wrote:Cough Ottawa cough. 2013.
Whats funny is the one of the only players in Ottawa not to miss time in 2013 was Alfredsson.
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jesterx7769 wrote:As I said the season has been over, no one expected stanely cup. Defense is obviously a huge problem but they are going to have big cap space and have made it clear they aren't going to do any moves during the season, even though I would have liked to see them get Smid instead of Flames. This year they are just evaluating young talent with guys like Tatar stepping up, I would considered battling for the 8th seed on a throw away year a success.
The young forwards have been awesome. Tatar, Jurco, Nyquist, and even a guy like Sheahan stepping up. Andersson has been fine too, though I'm not blown away by him. When you consider the OTHER forwards DET has in the system yet (Jarnkrok, Pulkkinen, Ferraro, etc) , they're pretty loaded, some of those guys will hit and hit big. Ferraro is out of waiver exemption next season, so the logjam in DET could get even worse. Don't get me wrong with my complaining, because the young forwards have been everything they were advertised as. Tatar in particular is ridiculous and probably doesn't get enough buzz league-wide. He completely can take over a game.

The defense is a wreck though. I only consider Kronwall, Ericsson, and DeKeyser to be legit NHL d-men right now. Lashoff still should be immune to criticism as he's had a lot asked of him before he was ready, that he's gottne NHL time at all as an undrafted FA is a huge bonus. Kronwall takes a lot of flak but, my God they ask SO MUCH of him. They're asking him to be the A #1 d-man with Ericsson (who is really a 2nd pairing guy)... he needs to jump up and provide offense while also STILL being more of a stay-at-home d-man, and it's a combination where he can't really succeed. I shudder to think of how bad things would be if the Wings hadn't landed DeKeyser, they'd easily be down in the basement with EDM, BUF, etc. No joke.

Guys like Almqvist, Oullett are in the system too as promising d-men but... I don't see any of them developing into top pairing guys either. DET has a bunch of already 2nd/3rd pairing guys, and prospects who project to 2nd or 3rd pairing. And I doubt either of them will be ready for NHL next year. Almqvist might as a longshot become a Rafalski-type but it'll be years down the road.

There will be no reasonable d-men available as FA's this summer it looks like, not that would actually address their need(s). They desperately need a shut-down 1st pairing guy to free Kronwall up a bit more there, and as of right now none of the guys who will be available are 1st pairing guys. Just like there were none this last offseason. As we discussed, there's really a serious lack of legit top pairing d-men leaguewide and DET got caught on the short end of the stick when Stuart asked to be traded back to California to be with his stepkids. He was supposed to still be here with Kronwall on the top pairing probably.

The problem with the "evaluation" year is that it is what shortened LAST year was too when DET nearly missed the playoffs. So wasting another 82 games on another "evaluation year".... how many evaluation seasons do you need? I get the feeling Holland is simply riding out a year or two before he dumps the team onto someone else and lets them deal with it. He doesn't seem to want to change or do ANYTHING.
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The team was one win away from the Stanley Cup last year, I wouldn't call that an evaluation year (even if it was a surprise). Just before last season they went after big names Parise and Suter (imagine if BOTH those somehow worked out?). It can be frustrating but just try to focus on the positives. If the team wasn't auditioning to replace the Red Cross they would probably be at least the 5th seed right now. I will give you the doing nothing in season the last two years is disappointing but the ship is still floating and hasn't sunk yet. Part of freeing up cap space isn't just for Free Agents, its for trading as well as if you trade away prospects for top 4 defense you need that cap room for them and the smaller cap hurts that.

While there isn't a lot of stud defense free agents I def think some of these guys could help out http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents?year ... _type_id=2 I agree with you only 3 of the Wings Dmen are really NHL caliber at this point. Wouldn't be surprised if they traded some of those forward prospects to a team like Buffalo who may unload guys like Myers/Ehroff. Andrew McDonald may also be a possibility in FA.
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AFter the Olympic Break...the Wings will be deadly. Mark my words. They just will.

And yeah d core is not as deep as it has been, but how do you replace the 30 minutes of Lidstrom and 30 of Rafalski? Just cannot be done in the short term. Have to wait a bit for other guys to step into those roles. I would be shocked if the Wings d was ever as good as it was with Lidstrom on the team. Just never will be.

That being said, they are not in that bad shape. With the cap going up, with the young guys getting experience (they cannot be doing that well...they are playing in high level roles and the team is losing apparently too much for the liking of some fans), and the return of Dats and Zetterberg after Olys ready to go....

yeah this team is good. Just short term struggles, and yeah like all teams in the league they are missing a part or two. It is rather odd to worry about that when really it is the first time in forever that the wings are missing a big part or two to their roster.

I just really believe that they are not as bad as you are saying. Seeing them play...they still look bloody good with the exception of having a couple of young guys playing too high a role, and a couple of dmen that are either in too high a role, or need to be gone period.

Anyone on that team not scored since January 2013 who has previously scored 30 goals? Or any star players not scoring in 15 games? Now that is a problem?
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Anyone on that team not scored since January 2013 who has previously scored 30 goals? Or any star players not scoring in 15 games? Now that is a problem?
Now what team would that be? :-?

The only reason they are in the game tonight against Chicago is because of Luongo.
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Wow did anyone watch Scrivens? I think this is the first time I am bummed I didn't watch an Oilers game. 59 saves with a bad team is fantastic, if you include blocked and miss shots its 100
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Yeah this is pretty amazing what he did. And it wasn't easy saves all game long he did really good ones as well. It was his moment of glory.
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