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archibalduk wrote: In the meantime, I now have all of the Major Junior, AHL, CHL, ECHL and UHL players in a spreadsheet. I just need to sort out the players that have played for more than one team that season. There are some issues I'll need to somehow address:

1. I haven't checked yet, but I'm guessing some or all of the NA leagues in the DB don't yet have all of the 1998 teams moved across yet. I'll need to go through each NA league and get these set up so that I can import all of the players.
You need the International Hockey League and possibly the West Coast Hockey League and the Western Professional Hockey League to fill out the team spots in the game. Or do you guys want to have them as unplayable leagues and use empty teams to fill the other leagues? I think the IHL teams should be playable as they were affiliated with the NHL teams back then.

EDIT: Just calculated the number of teams and you don't need the WCHL and the WPHL as playable. The other leagues (including IHL) end up with 84 teams and the game has 79 minor pro spots IIRC
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Thanks Manimal! :thup:

I recall your help with teams/leagues with the 1974 DB too :-)
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nino33 wrote:Thanks Manimal! :thup:

I recall your help with teams/leagues with the 1974 DB too :-)
and the 1994 db we have lying around with the teams set up but without any players in it...

I'd be willing to fix the 98-99 teams but I should probably focus on getting the TBL rosters done first
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Manimal wrote:I'd be willing to fix the 98-99 teams but I should probably focus on getting the TBL rosters done first
Me too! But last night "I couldn't help myself" and spent a bit of time setting up a WHL Research Sheet (for CA guidelines)
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To start with, I'm going to get the 1998/99 AHL, ECHL, CHL and UHL teams in those playable leagues. This is simply to keep the imported rosters organised so that it is easier for me to check that they imported okay. Obviously once I hand over the DB to CJ/Nino you can move them all around, etc etc. I will get hold of the IHL 1998/99 rosters and will import these too.

Btw, it looks like the Year of Birth for non-playing staff on NHL rosters are wrong (I just happened to check two non-players who have a 01/02/1900 DOB but with a YOB set). You may want to check these out at some point.
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archibalduk wrote:Btw, it looks like the Year of Birth for non-playing staff on NHL rosters are wrong (I just happened to check two non-players who have a 01/02/1900 DOB but with a YOB set). You may want to check these out at some point.
Will do! :thup:
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I have finished importing the Canadian Major Junior players. I think there were around 1,400 - 1,500 new players. It was a lot of work and so I haven't bothered changing which teams are in which leagues - so some players will be on rosters that are currently defunct. There were a couple of players who I've put on other rosters because they only joined the CHL midway through the season (e.g. one player started at Detroit Compuware in the NAHL and so I've put him on that roster).

The rosters consist of every player who played on that roster during the season. For players who played on more than one CHL roster that season, I've put him on the roster he started the season with. However, I'm sure there must be plenty of players who started in non-CHL leagues and so this will need to be checked (the career history on Elite Prospects is really useful for checking this because it lists entries in chronological order - i.e. the first team listed in a season is the player's starting team for that season).

I have set some provisional positions for the players. I will upload a spreadsheet of players for whom I didn't have stick-side data (I had to randomly assign these). The positional ratings will need more work. I haven't set positions for defencemen (because no doubt many left stick-sided players played RD given the relative minority of right stick-sided players in NA). Thus these players are randomised in game and you'll find most CHL teams have very few defencemen (the game seems to insist on making them forwards). You can see which players need their positions finalised because they will have a zero in one or more positions. Again, I will provide a spreadsheet with more details on this.

I'll start looking into the AHL, CHL, ECHL and UHL shortly.

On another note, I have modified the EHM exe so that we can have a separate 'pictures' folder for the 1998DB. This means we can keep the logos, rinks, facepacks, etc for the 1998DB separate from the modern pics. You'll see in the screenshot below I have a 'pics1998' folder which will store all of the 1998 pics. Also, the modified exe is called ehm1998db.exe which sits alongside the usual ehm2007.exe. It seems the game doesn't mind what it's called. Thus we can have separate exes and pictures folders running alongside each other.

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I am also going to modify the exe so that we can remove the foreigner restriction for the British ISL because the league didn't have one (and there were very few British players in the league).

Given all that all/most people use the digital download version of the game, I'd be very tempted to rename the hardcoded league names as and when needed. I'm also wondering whether it is possible to implement the CSD Patch into the exe... :-k
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archibalduk wrote:On another note, I have modified the EHM exe so that we can have a separate 'pictures' folder for the 1998DB. This means we can keep the logos, rinks, facepacks, etc for the 1998DB separate from the modern pics. You'll see in the screenshot below I have a 'pics1998' folder which will store all of the 1998 pics. Also, the modified exe is called ehm1998db.exe which sits alongside the usual ehm2007.exe. It seems the game doesn't mind what it's called. Thus we can have separate exes and pictures folders running alongside each other.
That's fantastic. :thup: I always hate when you have to switch all kinds of files to play a DB with correct pics. :-D
archibalduk wrote:Given all that all/most people use the digital download version of the game, I'd be very tempted to rename the hardcoded league names as and when needed. I'm also wondering whether it is possible to implement the CSD Patch into the exe... :-k
Do you think it's possible to implement to CSD patch to the exe? :-o
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jhcjobpb wrote:Do you think it's possible to implement to CSD patch to the exe? :-o
I'm not sure. Some things are editable via the exe and others have to be done via ArtMoney / memory editing. There's only one way to find out...
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How do we select the pictures in game if we have separate folders?
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Manimal wrote:How do we select the pictures in game if we have separate folders?
The normal ehm2007.exe loads the images from the usual pictures folder. The modified ehm1998db.exe loads images from the pics1998 folder. So you don't have to select anything - the two exes just load things from two different folders.
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archibalduk wrote:
Manimal wrote:How do we select the pictures in game if we have separate folders?
The normal ehm2007.exe loads the images from the usual pictures folder. The modified ehm1998db.exe loads images from the pics1998 folder. So you don't have to select anything - the two exes just load things from two different folders.
Is that modded into the new .exe? Otherwise, how would it now what folder to use?
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Manimal wrote:
archibalduk wrote:
Manimal wrote:How do we select the pictures in game if we have separate folders?
The normal ehm2007.exe loads the images from the usual pictures folder. The modified ehm1998db.exe loads images from the pics1998 folder. So you don't have to select anything - the two exes just load things from two different folders.
Is that modded into the new .exe? Otherwise, how would it now what folder to use?
Yes, it's the exe I modified.
archibalduk wrote:I am also going to modify the exe so that we can remove the foreigner restriction for the British ISL because the league didn't have one (and there were very few British players in the league).
I've done this too now.
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I have the AHL, CHL, ECHL, IHL and UHL rosters in a spreadsheet. However there are around 950 duplicates that I'll need to go through. I'll aim to go through 100 per day. That'll mean I should have it complete in about 10-14 days' time. It's a pretty tedious task and so I'll probably take breaks every now and then to work on other things!
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archibalduk wrote:I have the AHL, CHL, ECHL, IHL and UHL rosters in a spreadsheet. However there are around 950 duplicates that I'll need to go through. I'll aim to go through 100 per day. That'll mean I should have it complete in about 10-14 days' time. It's a pretty tedious task and so I'll probably take breaks every now and then to work on other things!
Good luck with that. I know it's a pretty frustrating job to do. :roll:
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archibalduk wrote:I have the AHL, CHL, ECHL, IHL and UHL rosters in a spreadsheet. However there are around 950 duplicates that I'll need to go through. I'll aim to go through 100 per day. That'll mean I should have it complete in about 10-14 days' time. It's a pretty tedious task and so I'll probably take breaks every now and then to work on other things!
I've nearly finished this now. Just about 100 to go. I'll hopefully have it done this weekend. Once that's done, I'll need to sort out the positions and then import the data.
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Hey guys,

I am volunteering myself to set up the teams in the db to the correct leagues, if you want me to.
This kind of work is something I love to do(and I must say I am pretty good at it) I set up a 1994 db for Nino with most playable leagues sorted and working well(did that with a blank db)
I am about a week away from releasing the TBL rosters so I can do it after that.
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Manimal wrote:I am volunteering myself to set up the teams in the db to the correct leagues, if you want me to.
My opinion...yes please! that'd be great! :thup:


I'm just now/this weekend returning to work on the 1998 database...currently I've got three tasks to keep me busy :-)
- reviewing Staff, determining who to keep and who to add (I've started on the NHL)
- determining CA using the Research Sheet (I've started on the WHL)
- populating a staff_new file with the "young kids" of the created minor hockey leagues (I've started with the 2010 NHL Draft)
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Manimal wrote:I am about a week away from releasing the TBL rosters so I can do it after that.
That ties in well with me. I should have finished with adding all of the new NA players to the DB within the next 2 weeks.
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archibalduk wrote:
Manimal wrote:I am about a week away from releasing the TBL rosters so I can do it after that.
That ties in well with me. I should have finished with adding all of the new NA players to the DB within the next 2 weeks.
Cool, I reckon most teams are already in the db. The European ones might not have the correct names but that is a later issue.
I will also update NHL-affiliations as that go hand-in-hand with the teams
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Manimal wrote:I will also update NHL-affiliations as that go hand-in-hand with the teams
Awesome! :thup:
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Manimal wrote:
archibalduk wrote:
Manimal wrote:I am about a week away from releasing the TBL rosters so I can do it after that.
That ties in well with me. I should have finished with adding all of the new NA players to the DB within the next 2 weeks.
Cool, I reckon most teams are already in the db. The European ones might not have the correct names but that is a later issue.
I will also update NHL-affiliations as that go hand-in-hand with the teams
For me also good. I'll be back with a proper answer tomorrow, or the day after that.

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Oh man what a great mod. Im having blast with this one I just want to ask you to reupload some elements like backgrounds, startup screen etc.. those are sadly no longer avaible for a download and I think that is just a damm shame because this is too sweat.



Currently playing as Rangers GM and just sign Bure. Great One and Russian Rocket on the same line that is just straight up fun for me thanks again man great stuff. :))
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CarlosSantana wrote:Oh man what a great mod. Im having blast with this one I just want to ask you to reupload some elements like backgrounds, startup screen etc.. those are sadly no longer avaible for a download and I think that is just a damm shame because this is too sweat.



Currently playing as Rangers GM and just sign Bure. Great One and Russian Rocket on the same line that is just straight up fun for me thanks again man great stuff. :))
I'm not home right now. So I'll try to remember to upload it when I get home. If I forget just post again. :-D
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archibalduk wrote:I've nearly finished this now. Just about 100 to go. I'll hopefully have it done this weekend. Once that's done, I'll need to sort out the positions and then import the data.
I've finished work on the duplicates and have set up basic positions for all players. All that remains is to import the data - I'll probably do that this weekend. I'll also sort out all of the dates so that the master DB is set for a 1998 start date - and I want to get the seating and standing capacities for the UK arenas added.

Hopefully I'll have all of this complete this weekend and I'll be able to return the DB to Nino this Sunday. However, that is subject to me having sufficient time this weekend. If not, it'll be early next week. :-)
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