TBL Rosters 2014-15 Mistakes, omissions, tweaks etc

[nino33]

Goalies are WAY better than you think, at every level. I've noticed that relative to EHM07, the NHL goalie pool is calibrated more towards the higher end which is good. However, people don't realize how close it needs to be as you scale downwards. Kids ENTERING junior (15 year olds) should be all 11s and 12s, guys leaving junior are 13s and 14s, guys in AHL and Europe headed towards the NHL as backups are 15s and 16s, guys establishing themselves as starters are the 17s and 18s and your handful of Lundqvists and Rasks and Quicks etc are 19s and 20s. At the elite level, you're bean-counting between stuff like 19 glove and 20 glove or 18 balance and 19 balance, and that accounts for the difference between .925 and .930 kind of stuff. Also, in general there are TONS of replacement level goalies in real NHL (and at every level, really). For every Henrik Lundqvist or Tuukka Rask with .920+ career save % there's 100 Anton Khudobins and Michael Hutchinsons and Niklas Svedbergs and Andrew Hamburglers- random guys who seemingly come out of nowhere, including being undrafted, to put up ~.910 career save percentage. 1% is the margin of error between elite and replacement level, it's an incredibly small target to aim for. But in general, every goalie is good, and imo EHM has always missed the mark on that. Anders Lindback's ratings (even though he sucks) should be much, much closer to Henrik Lundqvist's than the average person might intuitively think they should be. He should have enough 15s and 16s to land between .900 and .915% (As a side note worth mentioning, re-calibrating the goalies at every level will presumably go a long, long way towards lowering the elevated goals-for totals which most users are noticing)

Have you done any testing on these proposed numbers?

I would love to learn more about how the "hidden" attributes function, such as PA and consistency and how those items could be re-calibrated as well. Does anyone have any resources on the hidden attributes?

This is for EHM07, but it should get you started http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... =13&t=4920
Also, there's some great knowledge/resources in the Data Editing Forum http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... &sk=t&sd=d

[RJ8812]

May have already been brought up, but I noticed a trade mistake. Instead of trading TB's 2015 1st round draft pick to PHI in the Coburn trade, you traded PHI's 2015 1st round pick to TB

[archibalduk]

Will the players' Aggression attribute be adjusted back to normal? IIRC, they were all lowered to keep the PIM down on EHM 2007.

It was Temperament which was adjusted in the previous rosters (Aggression was not adjusted). By setting Temperament to 20 for all players, it kept PIM down to more realistic levels. For the v7.3 rosters we changed Temperament to zero for all players so that it is randomised. In theory we could have restored the Temperament ratings for most players using their v6.0 ratings (or v5.x - I can't remember the last version before we adjusted them) but the game engine in this respect has and will continue to change - so it makes sense to let the game to generate appropriate values and then we can go through and update them once we have a better handle on how the game engine now handles things.

[archibalduk]

May have already been brought up, but I noticed a trade mistake. Instead of trading TB's 2015 1st round draft pick to PHI in the Coburn trade, you traded PHI's 2015 1st round pick to TB

Thanks. That has been picked up and will be addressed for the next version of the Update.

[Kalutzo]

I was just wondering why this update doesn't work for me. I proceed all the stages described in the roster update page and in the video guide but when I try to start a new game the database doesn't show up on the list of databases. I've added the update into my data/database folder within EHM but it just simply doesn't show up for me. If anyone knows how to fix this, I would be more than pleased. May the fact that I have quite an old laptop have something to do with it?

[Manimal]

Jeff Blashill is the current Coach of the Grand Rapids Griffins and is considered top end at developing talent by the Red Wings. There was even talk that he would succeed Babcock and is ready for the next step to a NHL Coach.

I had a look at him and he was very underrated. THe AHL staff in general has not been looked at lately. We have a member updating the AHL now so I hope he'll look at non-playing staff, as well
I raised Blashill in the meantime.

Two other small things I've noticed:

Linus Ullmark is listed as having been drafted by the Sabres in the 61st round instead of the 6th round.

Michael Campoli of the USNTDP should be a dual-national of both Canada and the US, only his Canadian nationality is currently in the DB.

Ullmark was a rights issue from '07 that I have not had the time to remove/see if it works with EHM:EA
Campoli's nationality has been fixed. Dual nationality/US declared

[archibalduk]

I was just wondering why this update doesn't work for me. I proceed all the stages described in the roster update page and in the video guide but when I try to start a new game the database doesn't show up on the list of databases. I've added the update into my data/database folder within EHM but it just simply doesn't show up for me. If anyone knows how to fix this, I would be more than pleased. May the fact that I have quite an old laptop have something to do with it?

This isn't really the thread, but have you used the Import function?

[kokkeli61]

Team name: Espoo Blues instead of Espoon Blues

Also, if you edit player ratings, the Finnish league needs a lot of tweaking. For example Kim Hirschovits, scoring leader of the past regular season irl has horrible technical attributes. Passing, stickhandling, deking, faceoffs etc should be more like 12-15 instead of 7-9.

Thanks for the updates, the rosters are anyway great and I appreciate the work you people do.

[ReggaeBlueline]

Jamaica have been holding a series of ice hockey tryouts over the past year or so, and have joined the IIHF with an aim of trying to qualify for the 2018 Olympics.

Graeme Townshend is the head coach, and so should be set as such, as well as having Jamaican/Canadian nationality. Terry Christensen is the GM, Lester Griffin is Assistant GM, Tony Martino is goalie coach, Paul Jerrad and Cosmo Clarke are both assistant coaches and Dr. Joel Boyd is physio. http://bazaarproductions.wix.com/joihf#!coach-bios/c69h

Nigel Dawes of Barys Astana, Anthony Stewart, Chris Stewart of Minnesota Wild, Trevor Daley of the Dallas Stars, Mark Fraser of the New Jersey Devils, Malcolm Subban of the Boston Bruins, Teegan Moore of the Colorado Eagles, Wayne Simmonds of the Philadelphia Flyers, Josh Ho-Sang of the Niagara IceDogs, Jordan Subban of the Belleville Bulls, Nathan Robinson of the Belfast Giants, Devante Smith-Pelly of the Montreal Canadiens and Duante Abercrombie of the Steel City Warriors should all have their 1st nationality set as Jamaican and be declared for Jamaica.

P.K. Subban of the Montreal Canadiens should have his 2nd nationality set to Jamaican, but still be declared for Canada as he has played for them internationally.

[batdad]

Absolutely not. Not until they have played for Jamaica in a sanctioned international game. I hope it happens because that would be super cool, but until it does...have to leave them where they are. Dawes I know raised in Winnipeg and belongs as a Canadian for now. The others I do not know as well, but considering PK Is absolutely Canadian and no chance of playing for JAmaica, no way no how should he be eligible to play for a JAmaican team that I do not even know can be accessed and has not yet played any competitive games.

Great on Jamaica, but wait for reality to actually happen. If we declared all players in the NHL who have Israeli ties....that Israeli team would be in Division 2. If we did that for Great Britain, they would actually have a hockey team.

[ReggaeBlueline]

Absolutely not. Not until they have played for Jamaica in a sanctioned international game. I hope it happens because that would be super cool, but until it does...have to leave them where they are. Dawes I know raised in Winnipeg and belongs as a Canadian for now. The others I do not know as well, but considering PK Is absolutely Canadian and no chance of playing for JAmaica, no way no how should he be eligible to play for a JAmaican team that I do not even know can be accessed and has not yet played any competitive games.

Great on Jamaica, but wait for reality to actually happen. If we declared all players in the NHL who have Israeli ties....that Israeli team would be in Division 2. If we did that for Great Britain, they would actually have a hockey team.

Your argument is kind of invalid because it works like this in Football Manager. On recent editions of Football Manager there are plenty of players born abroad who are eligible for the likes of Curacao and India for example, and although half those players never end up for playing for their 2nd nationality in real life there's always still the possibility that they could and you shouldn't prevent that from happening just because you think it's unlikely.

The game thrives on realism and those players are all eligible for Jamaica. There's no two ways about it.

[Lazion]

Team name: Espoo Blues instead of Espoon Blues

Also, if you edit player ratings, the Finnish league needs a lot of tweaking. For example Kim Hirschovits, scoring leader of the past regular season irl has horrible technical attributes. Passing, stickhandling, deking, faceoffs etc should be more like 12-15 instead of 7-9.

Thanks for the updates, the rosters are anyway great and I appreciate the work you people do.

Thanks.

I overhauled all Liiga players during this week and now Hirso is rated to fit his ability.

[HerrDecadens]

On recent editions of Football Manager there are plenty of players born abroad who are eligible for the likes of Curacao and India for example, and although half those players never end up for playing for their 2nd nationality in real life there's always still the possibility that they could and you shouldn't prevent that from happening just because you think it's unlikely.

The game thrives on realism and those players are all eligible for Jamaica. There's no two ways about it.

They would have to play at least 2 full seasons in Jamaica League to be eligible due to IIHF requirements. That's main reason why for example Wojtek Wolski has never played in Polish national team.

[Xvash2]

So I'm noticing massive issues across the board with NCAA. Who do I talk to to help contribute to fixing this?

[batdad]

Absolutely not. Not until they have played for Jamaica in a sanctioned international game. I hope it happens because that would be super cool, but until it does...have to leave them where they are. Dawes I know raised in Winnipeg and belongs as a Canadian for now. The others I do not know as well, but considering PK Is absolutely Canadian and no chance of playing for JAmaica, no way no how should he be eligible to play for a JAmaican team that I do not even know can be accessed and has not yet played any competitive games.

Great on Jamaica, but wait for reality to actually happen. If we declared all players in the NHL who have Israeli ties....that Israeli team would be in Division 2. If we did that for Great Britain, they would actually have a hockey team.

Your argument is kind of invalid because it works like this in Football Manager. On recent editions of Football Manager there are plenty of players born abroad who are eligible for the likes of Curacao and India for example, and although half those players never end up for playing for their 2nd nationality in real life there's always still the possibility that they could and you shouldn't prevent that from happening just because you think it's unlikely.

The game thrives on realism and those players are all eligible for Jamaica. There's no two ways about it.

I could careless how football manager creates "future...completely unkwown realism in their game" This is hockey, not football. And Jamaica IS NOT on the verge of having a team that is a talented team and belongs. It is not that I THINK it unlikely,,, it is in the balance of probabilities...TOTALLY UNLIKELY. They will get a few players for sure to come and play for them, but it sure as heck will not be the top ones, or even a guy like Nigel Dawes or Chris Stewart. IF that were the case we would have already seen them speak about it.


Plus there is one heck of alot of things the guys working on the database need to deal with, and changing nationalities on the least likely of any prospective hockey thing is NOT going to be one I would want them to have at the top of their list. They do not get paid, they do the work out of the goodness of their hearts, and I love them for it.

Adding things in that are so minor, when there is so much to still be done, is not something I wish them to make a priority.

Would it be cool to see Jamaica in the Olympics...hell yeah, but a pipe dream at best. They won't even be able to qualify because none of these guys you talk about will be allowed to leave their pro teams to go play for them during their seasons.

[Holm]

A few comment from a Jets perspective:

- Some prospects should have better current and potential ability. Josh Morrissey and Ehlers are the Jets top prospects. Morrissey should be much better. He is a huge defensive talent in real life but my scouts are only projecting him to be a no 5-6 guy. He's attributes are generally to low.

- Byfuglien's natural position are RD.

- Prospects like Eichel and McDavid are obviously rated to low on current ability. They are far from NHL ready in the latest update.

[RJ8812]

Jamaica have been holding a series of ice hockey tryouts over the past year or so, and have joined the IIHF with an aim of trying to qualify for the 2018 Olympics.

Graeme Townshend is the head coach, and so should be set as such, as well as having Jamaican/Canadian nationality. Terry Christensen is the GM, Lester Griffin is Assistant GM, Tony Martino is goalie coach, Paul Jerrad and Cosmo Clarke are both assistant coaches and Dr. Joel Boyd is physio. http://bazaarproductions.wix.com/joihf#!coach-bios/c69h

Nigel Dawes of Barys Astana, Anthony Stewart, Chris Stewart of Minnesota Wild, Trevor Daley of the Dallas Stars, Mark Fraser of the New Jersey Devils, Malcolm Subban of the Boston Bruins, Teegan Moore of the Colorado Eagles, Wayne Simmonds of the Philadelphia Flyers, Josh Ho-Sang of the Niagara IceDogs, Jordan Subban of the Belleville Bulls, Nathan Robinson of the Belfast Giants, Devante Smith-Pelly of the Montreal Canadiens and Duante Abercrombie of the Steel City Warriors should all have their 1st nationality set as Jamaican and be declared for Jamaica.

P.K. Subban of the Montreal Canadiens should have his 2nd nationality set to Jamaican, but still be declared for Canada as he has played for them internationally.

haha ok wow...no.

[Realpity]

Just a couple little things:
Leafs prospects Frederik Gauthier seems to have shrunk from 6'4-6'5 down to 6'1, also the NOJHL affiliate for the OHL North Bay Battalion is the Powassan VooDoos, not the Mattawa Hawks

[Tasku]

Team name: Espoo Blues instead of Espoon Blues

Also, if you edit player ratings, the Finnish league needs a lot of tweaking. For example Kim Hirschovits, scoring leader of the past regular season irl has horrible technical attributes. Passing, stickhandling, deking, faceoffs etc should be more like 12-15 instead of 7-9.

Thanks for the updates, the rosters are anyway great and I appreciate the work you people do.

Thanks.

I overhauled all Liiga players during this week and now Hirso is rated to fit his ability.

Excellent! Good news, that.

I second the notion, that Hirso should be way better than he is. He was the regular season league MVP and close to breaking Raipe's points streak record.

My other suggestions on a few Blues players compared to how they are rated now.

Eetu Laurikainen: Stole the first goalie spot from Jani Nieminen. Number two spot on sv% league wide. Needs a boost.
Ryan O'Connor: More was expected of him. Taken from the top pairings and even out of the lineup at one time, but moved back after injuries. Maybe a bit overrated in the game.
Mikko Kuukka: Considered a very good "peruspakki" -- a defensive defender at the Liiga level. Often seen clearing the goalie crease. Loved him. Should get a boost in defensive attributes, and bravery, and such.
Otso Rantakari: Close to breaking Sami Vatanen's rookie defender's points record. Perhaps needs a boost on offensive attributes.
Bracken Kearns: Seems very overrated looking at what he managed to do this season. Good two-way forward, but perhaps drop the mentals a bit. Seemed a bit "streaky". One day good, one day not so good.
Robert Rooba: Liked him, but mostly played 4th line / or not at all. Perhaps lower the mentals a bit.
Jari Sailio: Needs a bit more aggression / other attributes that would make him an agitator, 4th line grinder. Has some skill too, but no need for a boost on those.

Well, that's my two cents at the start of my first season.

Oh... and Jyrki Aho is Blues' head coach.

[sluice]

Some people have noted that Anthony Duclair is still owned by the Rangers at the beginning of a new game.
He is now owned by Arizona (He was part of the Yandle deal)

Another weird thing related to him, at the end of every first year, he his not signed by the Rangers and becomes a free agent.

[Manimal]

So I'm noticing massive issues across the board with NCAA. Who do I talk to to help contribute to fixing this?

Send me a PM. We do not have a NCAA researcher. Interested?

Some people have noted that Anthony Duclair is still owned by the Rangers at the beginning of a new game.
He is now owned by Arizona (He was part of the Yandle deal)
Another weird thing related to him, at the end of every first year, he his not signed by the Rangers and becomes a free agent.

And some people have reported he is owned by the Coyotes. I guess the guys who think he was Rangers property just saw him as a free agent drafted by NYR. He'll be signed with Arizona for the next release

Just a couple little things:
Leafs prospects Frederik Gauthier seems to have shrunk from 6'4-6'5 down to 6'1, also the NOJHL affiliate for the OHL North Bay Battalion is the Powassan VooDoos, not the Mattawa Hawks

Thanks, edited the affiliation.
However, Gauthier is listed as 6'4 216 (or around there, editor is in metric)

[Peter_Doherty]

Have you had any time to actually play the game Manimal? I think it's really important for you DB-editors and researchers to actually play it and get a feel for how it works...

[Manimal]

Have you had any time to actually play the game Manimal? I think it's really important for you DB-editors and researchers to actually play it and get a feel for how it works...

No, I am too busy administrating all the researchers, new and old. I barely have time to do any editing myself, other than fixing small things.
I'm doing all this on my spare time so I don't have enough time for anything. Wish I had this as a paying job

[Peter_Doherty]

Have you had any time to actually play the game Manimal? I think it's really important for you DB-editors and researchers to actually play it and get a feel for how it works...

No, I am too busy administrating all the researchers, new and old. I barely have time to do any editing myself, other than fixing small things.
I'm doing all this on my spare time so I don't have enough time for anything. Wish I had this as a paying job

Hopefully that will become a reality when (if sadface) EHM gets picked up for real

If i wasn't so bad around editors and such i would have loved to help out with the roster updates, i have the time, i just don't have the knowledge (patience?) to really get to know the process

[Manimal]

Have you had any time to actually play the game Manimal? I think it's really important for you DB-editors and researchers to actually play it and get a feel for how it works...

No, I am too busy administrating all the researchers, new and old. I barely have time to do any editing myself, other than fixing small things.
I'm doing all this on my spare time so I don't have enough time for anything. Wish I had this as a paying job

Hopefully that will become a reality when (if sadface) EHM gets picked up for real

If i wasn't so bad around editors and such i would have loved to help out with the roster updates, i have the time, i just don't have the knowledge (patience?) to really get to know the process

That would be a dream come true.