Feedback on the Trade AI

[RomaGoth]

Some trade deadline highlights from my game:

Scottie Upshall for a 1st AND a 3rd (Tallon & Cheveldayoff).
Mark Letestu for a 1st and a 3rd (Murray & Kekkalainen)
Bryan Allen (who was just passed through waivers day previous) for a 3rd and a 4th (Bergevin & Snow)

Those are..... ummm.... yeah, that's bad...

I'm also seeing 2nds for 4th liners get rejected. Draft pick values DEFINITELY need a recalibration.

Maybe this happened because you have to pay a high price at the deadline to get your man. Like in real life.

What you are saying would make sense if it was better players, but Upshall for a 1st? Letestu for a 1st? No way.

[lafontaine83]

I agree with above post. That would never happen in real life.

[madball1982]

Well Duncan Keith just went to waivers on my game (yep, not even traded).
Smooth move hawks.

Keith, Kruger and Hossa were all waived on the one day in mine.

[madball1982]

As posted in the How's It Going Thread - got a 1st and 4th Rnd pick from STL for Max Talbot - who I put on waivers and sent to Providence at the start of the season.

[Primis]

Well Duncan Keith just went to waivers on my game (yep, not even traded).
Smooth move hawks.

Keith, Kruger and Hossa were all waived on the one day in mine.

Kruger and Versteeg in my game, just now, on waivers, after Bickell previously. And they'll still need to do more.
Kane on waivers a previous game.

The Hawks' problem is that they can't resist the temptation to sign UFA's in that first offseason. And then they prioritize those UFA's over their established core players. Instead of, you know.... just not signing UFA's because they're already up against the cap.

They also put Hossa on the block to try and move him for cap relief, but then decide they can't part with him no mater how good the offer is.



EDIT: Aaaaaaaaaaand there it is. Hossa placed on waivers.

[flamesfan2313]

Keith, Hossa, and Vorecek all put on waivers

[lemming3k]

I think Hossa cleared waivers on my game and is in the minors! The ai does seem more than a little strange at times.

[comatose]

Waiving players should be based on either;

Average rating being abysmal
Fluctuating reputation going down a lot
CA = less than x amount below league average

Would solve issues I think

[nino33]

Waiving players should be based on either;

Average rating being abysmal
Fluctuating reputation going down a lot
CA = less than x amount below league average

Would solve issues I think

I suspect many/most of the better players being put on waivers connects to the Salary Cap and their team being over the Cap...in that case it's unlikely the type of players you're describing are going to help a team lower their salary situation much

The IRL NHL and many fans have gotten used to an ever increasing Salary Cap, but that's maybe not the case this year!...the 7 Canadian NHL teams (23% of the NHL) bring in about 35% of the Leagues revenue and that money is much lower now due to the lower Canadian dollar + the big TV contact the NHL recently signed is also in Canadian dollars, so it too is lower (and ratings were actually down this year!)...this article from last month indicates a possible Cap reduction for next season http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/h ... e24040463/

When the IRL NHL team are forced to deal with a lower Salary Cap we may see more IRL "strange moves"

[lemming3k]

It's definitely cap related, but there has to be better options for these teams to shed money or not get themselves into that state.
But then perhaps I shouldn't complain, just wait it out for Crosby....

[batdad]

Mike RIchards? Cough.


But yeah the game has had a hard time dealing with the cap teams like Chicago. Main issue with this db is it is the mid-season Trade Deadline release, so a couple of teams would not be able to start a season with the roster they have after the deadline. In Chicago-Kane injury freed up space to bring in guys like Timmonen and the pretty boy Centre from Arizona Vermette, that they would not have been able to have at start of year.

However...the game does not choose clearly correct players to move, and of course the other part of it is that the team with these players does not try and make deals early enough for these guys and then has to waive them to get under cap for season start. Need to move guys, and make better decisions. This will eventually get to a point where Riz has it nailed down to a pretty good level, but because this is computer land, sometimes it will make mistakes for sure in AI.

[comatose]

the team with these players does not try and make deals early enough for these guys and then has to waive them to get under cap for season start.

This is a problem, and with my suggestion for waivers, there should then be an ai emphasis on trading.

Only issue is back to 'which one to get rid of'

[lemming3k]

I'm pondering a trade at the moment - apparently the Panthers are after a good Goalie and will take Allen, along with Erat and Kindl (neither of whom play) in exchange for Ekblad, a future 1st and 2 2nds.

Seems a good deal all around as I have Gibson and other yong players. What do you think?

[batdad]

I think that is a bad AI trade. Not one I would make because of that, it is AI putting quantity over quality.

[lemming3k]

I think that is a bad AI trade. Not one I would make because of that, it is AI putting quantity over quality.

To be fair I think I could take Erat and Kindl out, and they'd still give up Ekblad and at least a 2nd just for Allen(or it might have been for Gibson) - They seem desperate for a Goalie.
I suppose with Keith they don't really need a prospect D-man as much as they need a solid goaltender going into the playoffs(and they have no good future picks so no point building a team right now). I'll check tonight without those two, it might not be as crazy as it sounds for the Panthers.

I'm torn as apart from my 7th D I haven't changed them at all and they all have good potential, even if not all developing well - whereas equally I have 2 great goaltenders, but backups don't play much and I have a prospect anyway. I'll probably stick with Allen, but it's interesting all the same.

[batdad]

That kind of thing happens from time to time in the show, but yeah....No way should they be dealing Ekblad.

[Peter_Doherty]

That's a trade Florida or any team in a similar position would never ever do. Goalies are cheap for a reason and potential franchise defenders are maybe the most sought after (maybe franchise center is higher but it would be close).

[lemming3k]

That's a trade Florida or any team in a similar position would never ever do. Goalies are cheap for a reason and potential franchise defenders are maybe the most sought after (maybe franchise center is higher but it would be close).

I'm finding the opposite, at least in the game - top goaltenders are highly sought after and near impossible to trade for unless the team already has a far better one. However 1-2 potential D-men are everywhere. Heck I'm pretty sure I started the game with 5! (according to some scouts).

Maybe that's devaluing Ekblad slightly in their eyes?

[StealthB2X]

So, I just came across something that seemed, odd and unbalanced, in my opinion.

The Wild just traded Darcy Kuemper to the Jets in exchange for Byfuglien, Brenden Lemieux and Rights to Jack Glover.

Two 18 year old kids and a solid Dman in Byfuglien for Darcy Kuemper, who in his own right isn't terrible.

This trade also caused another to fall through with the Blue Jackets. (Jack Glover ended up being sent to the Wild)

That trade looked like this

To Jets: Marko Dano, Rights to Blake Siebenaler, 2015 2nd Round pick

To Wild: Rights to Jack Glover, Tobias Enstrom, 2015 2nd round pick

Both trades seem alittle lopsided. The Byfuglien trade that occured more so, to me at least.

What do you guys think? Is this a non-issue? I mean, these sorts of 'lopsided' trades have happened before irl, so.

[lemming3k]

That's a trade Florida or any team in a similar position would never ever do. Goalies are cheap for a reason and potential franchise defenders are maybe the most sought after (maybe franchise center is higher but it would be close).

I'm finding the opposite, at least in the game - top goaltenders are highly sought after and near impossible to trade for unless the team already has a far better one. However 1-2 potential D-men are everywhere. Heck I'm pretty sure I started the game with 5! (according to some scouts).

Maybe that's devaluing Ekblad slightly in their eyes?

Ekblad went for Schultz in the end. Straight swap. Not sure that benefits anybody really.

[batdad]

Kuemper is a stud in this game. Not terrible in his own right is hardly accurate. Deadline things are interesting and I am betting those deals were at deadline.


Which Schultz?

[lemming3k]

Justin, Oilers D.

[Peter_Doherty]

Justin, Oilers D.

And you are not sure who that benefits?:D

[lafontaine83]

The Dano deal is cool

the others are bad to terrible

[batdad]

Ekblad for Justin is not as bad in EHM as some think. Not great, but not horrible like if it was Nick.