TBL Rosters 2014-15 Mistakes, omissions, tweaks etc

[Alessandro]

Correct. I'll get Manimal to fix him

[Koekenbakker]

Checking out the rosters now. Thanks so much for this update, good to see you guys are on schedule for the 15/16 season looking by the things that have already been updated. If I notice anything wrong I'll be sure to drop a message here

[Koekenbakker]

First glance with Pens:

- Beau Bennett is a playmaking forward, not a power forward (with the amount of injuries I doubt he wants to be one lol)
- Brandon Sutter should probably be a defensive forward rather then a checking forward (he actually lacks in checking/physical contact, but is great on pk because of his positioning and defensive awareness).

[Manimal]

First glance with Pens:

- Beau Bennett is a playmaking forward, not a power forward (with the amount of injuries I doubt he wants to be one lol)
- Brandon Sutter should probably be a defensive forward rather then a checking forward (he actually lacks in checking/physical contact, but is great on pk because of his positioning and defensive awareness).

Are you using 7.4c? As in that one Bennett is a finesse winger and Sutter a defensive center

[Koekenbakker]

First glance with Pens:

- Beau Bennett is a playmaking forward, not a power forward (with the amount of injuries I doubt he wants to be one lol)
- Brandon Sutter should probably be a defensive forward rather then a checking forward (he actually lacks in checking/physical contact, but is great on pk because of his positioning and defensive awareness).

Are you using 7.4c? As in that one Bennett is a finesse winger and Sutter a defensive center

Yes I did, I just downloaded it from here (http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 77&t=14591, top link). I used the import database to convert it to EA database and started a game. It lists as 7.4c. I've reimported the database, started a new game and it still lists Bennett as a power forward and Sutter as a checking forward (profile -> information -> general description).

[CJ]

Yes I did, I just downloaded it from here (http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 77&t=14591, top link). I used the import database to convert it to EA database and started a game. It lists as 7.4c. I've reimported the database, started a new game and it still lists Bennett as a power forward and Sutter as a checking forward (profile -> information -> general description).

I just learned yesterday that the descripton has nothing to do with the player roles. That's just something the game comes up with. I don't exactly know how it works..

[archibalduk]

Report received via email:

Hi, I recently noticed that within the latest roster update, [2014-15] TBL Rosters v7.3 (Vanilla), it is said that the MTS Centre, the home arena of the Winnipeg Jets, is being rented, and not owned by the team, when in reality True North Sports and Entertainment own both the MTS Centre, and the Winnipeg Jets.

[Koekenbakker]

Yes I did, I just downloaded it from here (http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 77&t=14591, top link). I used the import database to convert it to EA database and started a game. It lists as 7.4c. I've reimported the database, started a new game and it still lists Bennett as a power forward and Sutter as a checking forward (profile -> information -> general description).

I just learned yesterday that the descripton has nothing to do with the player roles. That's just something the game comes up with. I don't exactly know how it works..

Uhm... yeah, so the description that describes the role of a player has nothing to do with the player role. WOW, baffled!

So then how exactly can you check if you gave players the correct roles in game?

[archibalduk]

So then how exactly can you check if you gave players the correct roles in game?

You can't. At the moment, the only effect Player Roles have is to set how attributes are generated and developed.

[Koekenbakker]

So then how exactly can you check if you gave players the correct roles in game?

You can't. At the moment, the only effect Player Roles have is to set how attributes are generated and developed.

Oh, message got corrupt. Anyway, I said I hope they can alter this later Thanks for the answers, keep up the good work!

[Manimal]

Report received via email:

Hi, I recently noticed that within the latest roster update, [2014-15] TBL Rosters v7.3 (Vanilla), it is said that the MTS Centre, the home arena of the Winnipeg Jets, is being rented, and not owned by the team, when in reality True North Sports and Entertainment own both the MTS Centre, and the Winnipeg Jets.

[Franck]

Not a big thing, but given the role Ralph Krueger has with Southampton he really shouldn't be available in the database.

[Andrew55]

I've noticed that some players with No trade clause/No movement clause in real life don't have it in the rosters, for example Dan Girardi should have NTCs/NMCs

[Manimal]

I've noticed that some players with No trade clause/No movement clause in real life don't have it in the rosters, for example Dan Girardi should have NTCs/NMCs

That isn't editable

[Doomski]

That isn't editable

I wondered something recently, what about the fluent/basic languages spoken by the teams? For example in the game, Montreal have french as fluent language, and Toronto have English. Same country, same league, but different languages used as dominant.

Is this editable? If so, there would be some tweaks to be done in Switzerland, and ideally in Italy too.

For example Lugano in the NLA have german as fluent language, french and english as basic (based on the languages used by the Swiss national team in the game I suppose).

IRL in Lugano, they mostly speak Italian as the first language. If you go to the club website, the first language used will be italian, and unfortunatly it doesn't appear at all in the game. Same thing occurs with other Swiss clubs, where all have german as fluent language, french and english as basic. Some clubs would need to have french as fluent, german and english as basic. Some club would need Italian as fluent language. Some clubs are good as they are.

It bothers me because it will directly influence what language a foreign player will learn during his stay. If a russian player comes to, let's say Lausanne, and stay for a few seasons, he will only learn German, and not french, which isn't realistic due to the club location. It could also interfer further in his carreer, as he would be supposed to have learned french, and so maybe being more inclined to sign to other french speaking teams in Canada or somewhere else. At least more easily, having passed the culture/language problem. In the game, he will only learn german, because all Swiss teams have this language as fluent language, the basic languages will not matter. Depending of where he plays in Switzerland, he IRL should/could learn another language during his stay, which could after influence his carreer's choices, the cultural/linguistic problem being solved.

The Italian Serie A isn't playable so it's less important, but ideally most teams in this league should have german in the languages section, at least basic. As you can see on this map (http://www.eliteprospects.com/league_ho ... eagueid=24), most teams are based in South Tyrol, where a german dialect is widely spoken everyday, far more than italian. Most italian national team's players use social networks in german, and most of the Serie A teams websites are in german too (some are bilingual, with german appearing first, but some haven't Italian proposed at all!)

Some examples:

http://www.broncos.it

http://www.hcpustertal.com

http://www.rittensport.it

http://www.hc-neumarkt.com

This also should be implemented in the game, as most Italian pro hockey players have german as their mothertongue, due to their specific area/culture in the country. An area that gave Italy most of their professional teams and local trained national team players.


If this is editable, I'd be happy to help, and provide a correct languages list, for what needs to be changed in this context.

[nino33]

I wondered something recently, what about the fluent/basic languages spoken by the teams?

I've never heard of this being editable

For example in the game, Montreal have french as fluent language, and Toronto have English. Same country, same league, but different languages used as dominant.

I don't think this has anything to do with the fluent/basic languages spoken by the teams.

I suspect the Toronto/Montreal example is because #1 Canada has two official languages (English/French) and #2 Montreal is in the province of Quebec (where French is the dominant language by law) and Toronto is in the province of Ontario (where English is the dominant language).

There are a lot of languages spoken in Canada; I think it's interesting that a 2011 census showed that over 20% of Canadians have neither English nor French as their mother tongue!

For example Lugano in the NLA have german as fluent language, french and english as basic (based on the languages used by the Swiss national team in the game I suppose).

IRL in Lugano, they mostly speak Italian as the first language. If you go to the club website, the first language used will be italian

I was curious so I went to the website (from this side of the ocean), and the first screen that comes up (a "splash screen" I think they're called) requires me to choose between Italian, English or Dutch before advancing to the site (no French/German)

If this is editable, I'd be happy to help, and provide a correct languages list, for what needs to be changed in this context.

I think it's be great if you put together a list and posted it at SI (so maybe Riz can take a look and make any needed changes)

[Doomski]

I know about the language situation in Quebec and Ontario, I especially chose this example to show that in game, in the "info" screen of the teams, the fluent language is swapped sometimes, even in the same country.

As for the Lugano website, you can choose between Italian, german ("deutsch" is "german", not to be confonded with the word "dutch" as the english word for the language spoken in the Netherlands), and english. That's my point, for example in Lugano, french is not really used, even not used at all in some parts of this region.

In Lausanne, you'll have a hard time finding italian speakers. In Zürich, most of the people will use german as fluent language. If you quickly check other NLA teams website, you'll see that the languages proposed will not be the same depending on their locations. Some will be multilinguals, and some won't bother and will only useon language, french, german or italian (sometimes english for international fans), depending of where the city the team is located.

Anyway, as the fluent language in the team "info" screen will define what language a foreign player will learn, that's why I asked this question. Thanks for the infos anyway, shame it may not be editable. I posted it on SI, even if this is of course not a pressing issue, it would give the now playable Swiss leagues a more realistic aspect.

EDIT : As it is currently in the game, every teams in Switzerland have german as fluent, french and english as basic. I took the Montreal/Toronto example to ask if it would be possible to have the same "swapping" situation in 'Info" screen for Swiss teams, as the linguistic questions in this country are very special, with either italian, german or french as main language, depending of where the team is located. I hope my request makes more sense now, it's 07:33am here and I've had had a lot of booze this night ^^

EDIT 2 : And I chose the Lugano example because italian isn't even listed in languages used by the team, despite having IRL more than 83% of the population having italian as their mothertongue.

[nino33]

I know about the language situation in Quebec and Ontario, I especially chose this example to show that in game, in the "info" screen of the teams, the fluent language is swapped sometimes, even in the same country.

I don't think you're understanding...essentially French is Quebec, English is the rest, and the two are never "swapped" - Quebec as essentially another country when it comes to language (French is the official language "by law" in Quebec, school's are in French, signs/services are in French, media/entertainment is in French, etc).

So I don't think Toronto/Montreal are showing anything other than geography...Montreal's in Quebec (thus the French) and Toronto's not (thus the English).

"deutsch" is "german", not to be confonded with the word "dutch" as the english word for the language spoken in the Netherlands

Duh! Oops!



Do players typically actually make the effort to learn another language? This is not really an issue that comes up much in NA (the non-French speakers don't always learn French when playing in Quebec, in other situations European/Russian players can rely on teammates that speak their language, the internet has made communication easier, etc)

[Doomski]

I know about the language situation in Quebec and Ontario, I especially chose this example to show that in game, in the "info" screen of the teams, the fluent language is swapped sometimes, even in the same country.

I don't think you're understanding...essentially French is Quebec, English is the rest, and the two are never "swapped" - Quebec as essentially another country when it comes to language (French is the official language "by law" in Quebec, school's are in French, signs/service are in French, media/entertainment is in French, etc).

So I don't think Toronto/Montreal are showing anything other than geography...Montreal's in Quebec (thus the French) and Toronto's not (thus the English).

"deutsch" is "german", not to be confonded with the word "dutch" as the english word for the language spoken in the Netherlands

Duh! Oops!



Do players typically actually make the effort to learn another language? This is not really an issue that comes up much in NA (the non-French speakers don't always learn French when playing in Quebec, in other situations European/Russian players can rely on teammates that speak their language, the internet has made communication easier, etc)

We're not speaking about the same thing I think. I don't mean that english and french are "swapped" in Canada in real life, but in the ''info' screen section in the game, they are. If you click and look at Team Canada "info" screen in the game, you'll see : Fluent language : english, basic language: french. Thus respecting the ratio of english speakers over french speakers over the country.

If you look at the info screen of Montreal, French will be in the section "fluent". It was so "swapped" compared to Team Canada screen, thus respecting again the ratio, the majority of french speakers in Quebec.

I agree it's not a problem in NA, I just took this example to show the "swapping" thing I'm talking about, in the game, again not in real life.

It's more complicated in Switzerland. A player playing for the Habs won't have to learn french to fit really in. I agree, as they're isolated in the league, in a linguistic perspective. English is used, Saku Koivu french was terrible and it was totally okay.

In Switzerland, depending of where you'll play, you REALLY won't use the same language. In Lausanne you'll have to learn french. In Zürich you'll have to learn german. In Lugano italian. Not doing so will be a dead end, and as a hockey player you won't pass your life in airplanes ans hotels between games, Switzerland is a small country. You'll be home really more often than in the NHL, thus the language question is important for everyday use, if you make the effort of not just speaking english.

I hope it is more clear. I know about the languages situation in Canada, I wasn't talking about a swapping of languages in real lifes, but in the ''info" screen section of EHM.

To answer your question, for example Finn players in Lausanne tend to speak french in interview, when a finn playing in Zürich speaks german to the local medias, and when a Finn playing in Ambri or Lugano will have to communicate in Italian. Players that stay 4 or 5 years in the NLA learn the language, generally. Obviously there are also lazy people that just speaks english, but if they stay long term, they eventually adapt.

[nino33]

We're not speaking about the same thing I think. I don't mean that english and french are "swapped" in Canada in real life, but in the ''info' screen section in the game, they are. If you click and look at Team Canada "info" screen in the game, you'll see : Fluent language : english, basic language: french. Thus respecting the ratio of english speakers over french speakers over the country.

If you look at the info screen of Montreal, French will be in the section "fluent". It was so "swapped" compared to Team Canada screen, thus respecting again the ratio, the majority of french speakers in Quebec.

I agree it's not a problem in NA, I just took this example to show the "swapping" thing I'm talking about, in the game, again not in real life.

Ah, now I get it!

[Doomski]

The EHC Biel-Bienne will play in a new arena next season, with 7000 seats available for Hockey : http://www.tissotarena.ch/

[joannie9]

Hi guys,
I'm unable to install the roster updates v7.4c.
I don't understand. I extracted the ZIP file to the \data\database\ folder and when I launch the game and click on the import database nothing happens. I can't import anything. Can anybody help please ?

[nino33]

Hi guys,
I'm unable to install the roster updates v7.4c.
I don't understand. I extracted the ZIP file to the \data\database\ folder and when I launch the game and click on the import database nothing happens. I can't import anything. Can anybody help please ?

When you try to import the DB is it an option, and just not working? Or you don't see 7.4c as an option to import?

Just to be sure, this is where you've put the DB? http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/wiki/inde ... ion_Folder
If yes...is the DB perhaps "a folder within a folder"?

[Winnipeg Geordie]

Report received via email:

Hi, I recently noticed that within the latest roster update, [2014-15] TBL Rosters v7.3 (Vanilla), it is said that the MTS Centre, the home arena of the Winnipeg Jets, is being rented, and not owned by the team, when in reality True North Sports and Entertainment own both the MTS Centre, and the Winnipeg Jets.

huzzah will this mean i can expand the MTS Centre....

on another note and not entirely sure this is the right thread, apologies if not.

can i start a new game with the new rosters update, and switch between saved games even if they have different databases behind them?

cheers

[Manimal]

Report received via email:

Hi, I recently noticed that within the latest roster update, [2014-15] TBL Rosters v7.3 (Vanilla), it is said that the MTS Centre, the home arena of the Winnipeg Jets, is being rented, and not owned by the team, when in reality True North Sports and Entertainment own both the MTS Centre, and the Winnipeg Jets.

huzzah will this mean i can expand the MTS Centre....

on another note and not entirely sure this is the right thread, apologies if not.

can i start a new game with the new rosters update, and switch between saved games even if they have different databases behind them?

cheers

Not sure exactly what you mean here, but you can switch between different saved games(or a new one) You can choose which one to load at start menu.
The new database edits(like ownership of MTS Centre) is only usable for new saves