Official NHL Season 2015-2016 Thread

[A9L3E]

Habs got John Scott in a trade to get Tinordi somewhere else. This is hilarious.

This apparently played out so that Scott can't play in the All-Star game

How come?

[MWE]

Wasn't he voted in as a captain?

[Saapas]

Apparently since Coyotes don't have anyone in the All-Star game since Scott was traded they get to replace him and Montreal is planning to keep him in the AHL so that is another thing that might stop him going.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/coyo ... ott-trade/ Here is more info about it

[Peter_Doherty]

Hagelin to Pens for Perron+Clendening, it will be painful to watch Hags in a Pens shirt

[CJ]

Hagelin to Pens for Perron+Clendening, it will be painful to watch Hags in a Pens shirt

I think the Ducks won in that trade a little bit.

[Peter_Doherty]

I think Hagelin is the best player in the trade, but i think the trade made Ducks cap crunch in the summer easier to handle and Pens cap crunch way harder to handle. Hagelin is an underrated player, he scores 35ish points with no PP time and has ELITE skating and ELITE PKing, the people that talk about him as more or less a cap dump needs to watch him play. He deserve the contract he got, his contract will be a problem to alot of teams though and i have no idea how Pens will manage it, time will tell.

[philou21]

Apparently since Coyotes don't have anyone in the All-Star game since Scott was traded they get to replace him and Montreal is planning to keep him in the AHL so that is another thing that might stop him going.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/coyo ... ott-trade/ Here is more info about it

Yeah I heard that too! Might be the NHL that asked on the side. haha

[batdad]

Perron, Hagelin, Etem, Clendenning. Cluster city. How many teams for these guys in basically less than a full season. 3 each. 4 for Clendenning. But...at the same time, at least teams are now willing to move on from mistakes, and non fits for their organization quicker than in the past. WELL... At least the Rangers, Ducks, Pens and Canucks are.

[Peter_Doherty]

Hagelin was a great fit in Rangers tbh, just that we have some other contracts that made it so that we could never afford him at the rate he deserved. He's just another victim of the Staal and Girardi contracts, not sure how good of a fit he will be in Pens either, he certainly won't help their cap situation this summer.

[Kopi]

NHL`s best player...
Your opinion on above link?

[batdad]

He is pretty darn good. Best forward though, not necessarily best player. In fact I would argue that D and G are harder to play, and therefore by definition, the best player in those categories becomes the best player in the game regardless of stats.

Kopitar and Ovechkin. As well as Toews and Kane, are the tops in the forward area, with an outside nod to Sid, who has struggled much of this year. Some of the young kids like Tarasenko are starting to impact that as well.


But...when it comes down to having someone lead my national team...glad I have Toews and not Kopi. Not a knock on Kopi, just that much respect for Toews leadership. Kopi is good too.


Players who fit into this area as best player but who will not necessarily have the #s because of postion include:

Price and Holtby, Lunquist (although not this year)
Doughty Shea Weber, Josi, Karlsson,

I am sure there are others. But the top 10 players in the league is a tight race now, not like it used to be. Parity amongst superstars.

[Peter_Doherty]

He's up there, don't think you can say he's #1 though.

To clarify, don't really think you can say anyone is a clear #1 right now.

[A9L3E]

Statistics are easy to manipulate, thence I would not start arguing someone is better or worse and try to prove it with them. I think North Americans love them a bit too much, to be honest.

[batdad]

Hah. Not North Americans my friend...too general there. Americans. We Canadians like to live by the eye test. That is why we know things like...even though a player has a good Corsi rating, he still sucks.

[Peter_Doherty]

Both the stats and the eye test is flawed, when you combine them you get a pretty accurate picture. Stats like corsi is useless without context, same goes for the eye test.

Ignoring stats is just as bad as ignoring the eye test.

[batdad]

Eye test is only flawed if you do not understand the game. Or you are trying to "spin" something. Or you are a no talent hack, like .... Steve Tambelllini.

Eye test gets better for each and every person over time spent in a rink watching the game live. Not TV. TV distorts view because it only focuses on the puck. In the rink, you learn to watch it all, and see the game. However, different people will see the game in

a. different ways...that are just as valid.
b. ways that are not necessarily a good thing. Some people love guys who just go up and down their wing, and skate in a straight line fairly well, but do nothing all that great, and in fact are average in every way. I call these guys..."VAnilla players" Chris Higgins is one of those. They bore me to tears, but if you have them on your fourth line, they are usually pretty darn nice to have.
c. People like different things ....but they are just as valid. You need a little bit of everything to make a good team.


Finally, it is similar to having a Hockey IQ. When you watch games over and over and over....you do not necessarily get better at seeing what is going on. Your vision of the game is what you see, and what you get. Like a player..their hockey IQ And vision is not going to change much over time....


When I used to watch games I watched systems and could see them developing over time, then as I got older I changed and watched the game unfold, without caring what coaches were doing....and then the players began to stand out to me. The stud players just ....did. Even though they may have 0 points in the game, and their team may be getting dominated they just showed up....why? Because of vision....

Others would look at me and say...I saw nothing....nothing out there on that team today. And I just nodded and said, yeah nothing....they all suck.

Some of those guys that suck...turn into Sam Reinhart, Nicolas Petan, Shea Theodore.....

And some who guys love...I do not love. Ryan Gropp is one I do not love for example. He is very vanilla to me. Does nothing exceptional, all is just good and at the levels he has played, and who he has played with...he has done well. But in the NHL.....he will be Chris Higgins. Which is not bad, but not what alot hope for.

[philou21]

Drouin's situation is getting interesting. I really wonder if it's the kid's fault or his agent is just a control freak and keeps giving him bad advices.

[Peter_Doherty]

Many of the reasons you state there is why the eye test is flawed, 10 people might watch the same game and come to 10 different conclusions on how X player did in that game. Also someone who likes player X and doesn't like player Y will have a bias in his view. Not saying it's wrong, but it's flawed.

People that just wave off the underlying stats and point to their own eye test as being better are just narrow minded, with that said ONLY looking at stats is probably even worse then NEVER looking at any underlying stats.

What i'm trying to get at is that a combination is probably the best way to really evaluate a player if you want an accurate picture. That's my view on it atleast.

On Ryan Gropp i'm right with you, i'm not in love with the fact that Rangers were/are so high in him that he was the main part of the Hagelin trade, he will probably be a NHLer, but i doubt he has the potential to become a top-6 player, probably not even a top-9 player. He's a good skater with good size and a good shot, but he has plenty of flaws in his game. Doesn't really know how to use his speed or size and has limited Hockey-IQ from what i've seen, he needs a C like Barzal that sets him up so he can use his shot.

[Peter_Doherty]

A new disgusting rumor about Patrick Kane is out there, too many rumors about more or less the same thing for me to believe in his innocence, i think he's a predator and i hope he gets caught and gets sent to jail (if guilty ofc). You can read the latest alleged victim here; http://imgur.com/a/ZCheZ . Beware, it's not a nice read at all so if ur sensitive, don't read it.

[Tasku]

A new disgusting rumor about Patrick Kane is out there, too many rumors about more or less the same thing for me to believe in his innocence, i think he's a predator and i hope he gets caught and gets sent to jail (if guilty ofc). You can read the latest alleged victim here; http://imgur.com/a/ZCheZ . Beware, it's not a nice read at all so if ur sensitive, don't read it.

I don't know. Anyone could write that for any possible motive. Also... it kinda sounds like a movie, with the evil smile and the strong hands, and what not.

[Peter_Doherty]

It's far from the first rumor about Kane, no smoke without fire. It was also posted on some legit victims journal page, i don't know it myself but sounds legit and it was written in a way that just felt real to me atleast. Given Kanes history i do believe he's a predator and that he paid his way out of the rape accusations this summer, hope he can't pay his way out of this one or the next one.

[Tasku]

Kane may or may not be a predator, but still... I've grown skeptical of everything posted online with no face or no name. And I felt there was a sense of drama to it, that was intentional. That doesn't mean it's automatically a lie, but I'd much rather see stuff like this handled by the police, not by 35 000 views on imgur.

[CJ]

Many of the reasons you state there is why the eye test is flawed, 10 people might watch the same game and come to 10 different conclusions on how X player did in that game. Also someone who likes player X and doesn't like player Y will have a bias in his view. Not saying it's wrong, but it's flawed.

People that just wave off the underlying stats and point to their own eye test as being better are just narrow minded, with that said ONLY looking at stats is probably even worse then NEVER looking at any underlying stats.

What i'm trying to get at is that a combination is probably the best way to really evaluate a player if you want an accurate picture. That's my view on it atleast.

Looking at a game is the most important. Well I know people who aren't that "bright".. they watch the game ok, but actually don't get it, they only know who scored and assisted, what goalie did a HUGE save (ignoring the important ones) etc.. They watch the stats, and they're like THIS is the best player ever!! I think MANY viewers are like that, sad but true.
I have a lot of friends. Viewing a hockey game with them is interesting. I can "manipulate" a few of them by telling them my point of view, and they believe me. Maybe cause I know what I'm saying.. But when a few of them opens their mouth about a naff player who somehow has luckily scored 50 points in one season is an AWESOME player in the NHL I just wanna shout, but I don't.

I kinda went of topic now. Anyway, looking at stats! is good for average hockey fans (and they will use it against you!!) Those who actually knows hockey (like me ) watch games and analyses different aspects of the game and therefor gets a picture of a certain player.. "back-upped" by stats in second hand. It's like watching GREAT hockey players in a certain team that has good off & def ability. Then looking at stats it shows that this guy is just 80 games and 30 points. Well that means he's LINDROS! Not in my eyes..

A new disgusting rumor about Patrick Kane is out there, too many rumors about more or less the same thing for me to believe in his innocence, i think he's a predator and i hope he gets caught and gets sent to jail (if guilty ofc). You can read the latest alleged victim here; http://imgur.com/a/ZCheZ . Beware, it's not a nice read at all so if ur sensitive, don't read it.

To me, that sounds 100% like Lindros. I don't need to explain myself, but it is.

[Peter_Doherty]

Tasku - It was posted with a real name though, it was blurred out by the one that screened it and posted it on twitter (@sarah_connors i think) to keep her somewhat private. It wasn't posted on imgur in the first place, it was posted on some victims livejournal thing first.

It might not be real, but i doubts all the rumors and accusations surrounding Kane over the years have been made up, i do believe he's a creep and a predator and that he would be in jail if he wasn't rich, but that's just what i think.

CJ - I'm too young to know about rumors from Lindros time, was there sexual assault rumors surrounding him?

[Tasku]

How do you know it was her real name and photo? My point is: police investigation. Not internet rumors.