National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA)

[archibalduk]

Please use this thread to post any mistakes, omissions, tweaks, etc in respect of the National Collegiate Athletic Association in the TBL Rosters. Any general feedback on the data for this league can also be posted here.

Note that any feedback on player career history, team history or competition history should instead be posted here: http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... .php?f=142

[Manimal]

Please make Vince Perreault an assistant coach for the Westfield State Owls.

EDIT: Done

[PegJets]

Based on this season....

Thatcher Demko(probably Hobey Baker winner) deserves to have his potential brought up.

Kyle Connor(not just a homer mention here) is on a tear, HF upgraded him to an 8.5c because he is outplaying Larkin's season from last year. Worth of a -9 potential IMO. It also might be worth taking away his "accomplished" from the Center position. It's been about 2 full years since he's played that position.

[nino33]

Kyle Connor(not just a homer mention here) is on a tear, HF upgraded him to an 8.5c because he is outplaying Larkin's season from last year. Worth of a -9 potential IMO. It also might be worth taking away his "accomplished" from the Center position. It's been about 2 full years since he's played that position.

You note HF rates him an 8.5c - I wouldn't think anyone with a "c" as probability of success should get a -9 as -9 (150-180) is a guaranteed Very Good/Top player (HF describes c as "May reach potential, could drop 2 ratings..... has shown some flashes, but may ultimately not have what it takes to reach his potential")

[Peter_Doherty]

Connor is crazy good though, should have gone top-10, probably 6th in the draft. Wish there were more options then -8, -9, -14 or -15 for players like him, something like 130-170/180 would have been perfect.

[PegJets]

Kyle Connor(not just a homer mention here) is on a tear, HF upgraded him to an 8.5c because he is outplaying Larkin's season from last year. Worth of a -9 potential IMO. It also might be worth taking away his "accomplished" from the Center position. It's been about 2 full years since he's played that position.

You note HF rates him an 8.5c - I wouldn't think anyone with a "c" as probability of success should get a -9 as -9 (150-180) is a guaranteed Very Good/Top player (HF describes c as "May reach potential, could drop 2 ratings..... has shown some flashes, but may ultimately not have what it takes to reach his potential")

HF is notorious for having low "probability" ratings, they use "C" rather widespread for most prospects. By that logic McDavid shouldn't be a -10, and Bennett, Strome, Nylander and Ehlers should all be less than a -9

It was part of the argument, but not all of it, and in game he is trash right now.
I think being the first NCAA freshman in a decade to put up 30 goals is worthy of a -9, especially with how potential has the ability to change in this game.

[PegJets]

Not sure if it's needed but I've actually noticed this across many of the college prospects in the DB.

Connor, Compher, White, Boeser, Vesey, Tuch, Demko etc... Are all slightly underrated in my opinion. While the top 10 pick types got a very broad generalized rating like Werenski. Again... just my opinion.

IF any help is needed with that part of the research I'd be willing to help.

[nino33]

FYI I don't use HF as a source for editing/general info, so my comment was just based on you noting it as support

I'm not sure what you mean by you can help with "that part" of the research.....do you mean NCAA/College?

[Primis]

The problem with NCAAers is that they're facing a wide gap or swath of competition. Connor having a good season at Michigan is fine except that the Big Ten is hot garbage right now. Both Minnesota (19-16-0) and Michigan (22-7-5) are the "top" teams in the conference, but they're both incredibly vulnerable and fill of holes, so imagine the *other* teams in the Big Ten. And a team at the bottom like Michigan State is an absolute tire fire.

This is why predicting NCAA prospects can be so hard. You would have watched Ryan Dzingel in 2013-14 and just assume he'd be a high-scoring pro because nobody else on those Ohio State squads was a real threat, and yet it has never translated for him. In contrast both Connor and Larkin have come onto Michigan teams with other high-scorers, so you have no idea what you *really* have (are they making the other guys good, or are the other guys making them good?). As it so happens, we now know Larkin is just *good*, but it took him being a force in international senior play and the NHL time (with a dash of AHL playoffs) to really make that statement.

There are lots of guys on Michigan scoring at will it seems. Tyler Motte has 29 goals himself. Does that strengthen or cheapen Connor's 30? Motte had all of 9 in both the previous 2 seasons.

NCAA is very good IMHO for player development because they play against older players. It's bad for scouting and gauging them against competition though because of the disparity. Each OHL team maybe has a stud guy or two, regardless of their place in the standings. Not so in college, there are plenty of programs without a single stud, that are just true teams with no standouts.

All this should be kept in mind with regard to collegiate prospects, especially those who are "one-and-dones". If a guy gets 3 years of NCAA in, you generally have a much better handle on what he is obviously.

[Primis]

FYI I don't use HF as a source for editing/general info

This is a good plan in general. I've found HF is a good resource for very general info on team systems and the "depth chart" part tends to be pretty accurate, but their rating system is still open to the interpretation of the individual who covers that one particular team (with no context as to how they compare/contrast to the other teams and how they are rated).

[nino33]

FYI the TBL Rosters are "start-of-season" rosters so any reference to 2015-16 performance/stats is irrelevant to the 2015-16 ratings (which are done at the start of the hockey season and not "updated" during the season)

[Named]

Marc Cavosie need retire manually. Trevor Frischmon, Adam Kostichka, Sean Kotary, Alex Rogosheske and Billy Hengen also.


http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=9452
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=12017
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=81798
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=43319
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=18318
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=79670

[Named]

Another retires needed:

Kevin Broad
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=79079

Chad Clower
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=166360

JASON BLOOMINGBURG
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=24384

Ryan McKelvie
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=121837

Scott Sortal
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=166069

[archibalduk]

Feedback from the HFBoards: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showp ... tcount=987

Quite a few Canucks prospects are underrated. Gaudette eventually retires from professional hockey. Painful to see in game when he's one of the most talked about prospect outside of the "known" ones. Craig Button constantly praises both Brock Boeser and Adam Gaudette saying that the Canucks got steals.

This screenshot is from Sept 4th 2016 in game when you boot up with TBL 9.1dB

He is ranked as our 12th best prospect when I look at our team report with a 20/20 AGM.

Wristshot: 11->13
Stickhandling: 7->12
Positioning: 4->11
Pokecheck: 5->10
Passing: 8->11
Faceoffs: 4->7 (He was used as a C this season apparently in college? And did well?)
Deking: 8->11
Checking: 6->9

[Primis]

teams with 'unknown arena' set

USA Atlantic League
Robert Morris

NCHC
Arizona State

Arizona State doesn't actually have a real home arena. They're splitting "home" games between basically a local rec rink (with something like a capacity of 800, Oceanside Ice Arena) and the Arizona Coyote's NHL arena in Glendale. Arizona State recently backed out of a shared deal with the Coyotes for a new arena/facility not in Glendale, so they actually have no real roadmap for an actual home arena yet either.

Robert Morris plays out of the 84 Lumber Arena on-campus with a capacity of 1,200, with a North American-sized surface.

[Daelh]

Hey. Great update. However, Notre Dame plays in the wrong division. IRL Notre Dame plays in Hockey East (12 teams) and not in Big Ten (6 teams). But in the game they play in Big Ten (7 teams) and not Hockey East (11 teams).

Can this be changed with the editor?

Also. You can not sign any staff since you cant offer money. There also seems no players are interested in signing even though they aim to play College hockey.

[BKarchitect]

Notes dame starts as a Big Ten ice hockey member next season and ASU needed to be put in a conference for the Frozen Four to work and the NCHC has been mentioned as the most likely landing spot since last season, although their 2016-17 application was denied.

[BKarchitect]

http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-hockey/s ... 16aaa.html

[Primis]

Hey. Great update. However, Notre Dame plays in the wrong division. IRL Notre Dame plays in Hockey East (12 teams) and not in Big Ten (6 teams). But in the game they play in Big Ten (7 teams) and not Hockey East (11 teams).

Can this be changed with the editor?

Notre Dame is joining the Big Ten for hockey starting next season, so they've just moved them over now. The Big Ten schedule matrix is for 7 teams, someone would have recreate and implement a 6-team NCAA-length schedule matrix to do it.

Also, the NCAA signing issue is being worked on, as noted in a couple other threads. And maybe even fixed now, I'm not sure, I'm playing catch-up on the posts today.

It's been kinda' heartening to see the NCAA complaints actually, though. People in the community *do* care about it, and are pretty excited to play in it. That's a good thing.

[Daelh]

Hey. Great update. However, Notre Dame plays in the wrong division. IRL Notre Dame plays in Hockey East (12 teams) and not in Big Ten (6 teams). But in the game they play in Big Ten (7 teams) and not Hockey East (11 teams).

Can this be changed with the editor?

Notre Dame is joining the Big Ten for hockey starting next season, so they've just moved them over now. The Big Ten schedule matrix is for 7 teams, someone would have recreate and implement a 6-team NCAA-length schedule matrix to do it.

Also, the NCAA signing issue is being worked on, as noted in a couple other threads. And maybe even fixed now, I'm not sure, I'm playing catch-up on the posts today.

It's been kinda' heartening to see the NCAA complaints actually, though. People in the community *do* care about it, and are pretty excited to play in it. That's a good thing.

OK gotcha!

Yes i have been waiting for ten years to be able to play NCAA so Im super excited!

[Daelh]

In Notre Dame Fighting Irish there is two of Bobby Nardella and Cameron Morrison. There is one Bob and one Bobby Nardella and one Cam and one Cameron Morrison.

[Devin Weston]

Hey. Great update. However, Notre Dame plays in the wrong division. IRL Notre Dame plays in Hockey East (12 teams) and not in Big Ten (6 teams). But in the game they play in Big Ten (7 teams) and not Hockey East (11 teams).

Can this be changed with the editor?

Notre Dame is joining the Big Ten for hockey starting next season, so they've just moved them over now. The Big Ten schedule matrix is for 7 teams, someone would have recreate and implement a 6-team NCAA-length schedule matrix to do it.

Also, the NCAA signing issue is being worked on, as noted in a couple other threads. And maybe even fixed now, I'm not sure, I'm playing catch-up on the posts today.

It's been kinda' heartening to see the NCAA complaints actually, though. People in the community *do* care about it, and are pretty excited to play in it. That's a good thing.

Much agreed, I'm glad there's some degree of love for the NCAA. For me, it's not just managing a team with the intention of winning the Frozen Four, but also the reward of actually developing prospects to become potential NHL stars or quality roster players even. It's always intriguing to check up on those guys who get drafted to/sign with NHL teams on a regular basis, just to see how much they've developed since then.

[BKarchitect]

One thing I've noticed - and it deserves a lot more long-term testing than I've given it is that eventually it feels like almost all the NCAA players (from CPU generation) are American. And same for the feeder leagues like the USHL and NAHL. When in fact there is a great assortment of nationalities in those leagues, even if the majority are American. Those two leagues are very popular routes for Europeans to take who want to go the NCAA route (plus import goalies who can't play in the CHL and rare cases like Andrei Svechnikov who probably won't play university but wanted to join his brother in NA). Guys like Eeli Tolvanen are high profile examples but both the USHL and NAHL are full of Finns, Latvians, Germans, Swedes, a few Russians/Eastern Euros and even Canadians.

[Alessandro]

One thing I've noticed - and it deserves a lot more long-term testing than I've given it is that eventually it feels like almost all the NCAA players (from CPU generation) are American. And same for the feeder leagues like the USHL and NAHL. When in fact there is a great assortment of nationalities in those leagues, even if the majority are American. Those two leagues are very popular routes for Europeans to take who want to go the NCAA route (plus import goalies who can't play in the CHL and rare cases like Andrei Svechnikov who probably won't play university but wanted to join his brother in NA). Guys like Eeli Tolvanen are high profile examples but both the USHL and NAHL are full of Finns, Latvians, Germans, Swedes, a few Russians/Eastern Euros and even Canadians.

This one is on Riz. I told him several times, probably it ain't that easy to fix otherwise he'd already done it. Hopefully it'll be fixed in next update

[Tasku]

Steam Workshop:

Zach Driscoll on St Cloud State is a goalie, not center. Also teams in college very rarely play different teams in the same weekend, it's more often than not either two home games or two away games against the same team on the Friday-Saturday series.