Ducks won this. As you said it's not the same team in front of him.philou21 wrote:I think it's time to start this thread now that the draft is near!
Leafs aquired Anderson from the Ducks for their 30th pick in 2016 and their second rounder of 2017.
Overall I think it can end up being a good deal for Toronto since Bernier never did something amazing but at the same time Andersen will not have the same team in front of him so I doubt his numbers will be as good as before.
But it's difficult to acquire a good goalie though. 
There are many goalies that appear to be available at the moment, maybe the asking price was higher or it's just that Toronto likes Andersen best.jhcjobpb wrote:Ducks won this. As you said it's not the same team in front of him.philou21 wrote:I think it's time to start this thread now that the draft is near!
Leafs aquired Anderson from the Ducks for their 30th pick in 2016 and their second rounder of 2017.
Overall I think it can end up being a good deal for Toronto since Bernier never did something amazing but at the same time Andersen will not have the same team in front of him so I doubt his numbers will be as good as before.
Yeah I meant that they traded with the Rangers.bruins72 wrote:Did Florida acquire Yandle's rights? I thought he was with the Rangers.
I would think it's more likely Holland does something w/ the Datsyuk contract to move it, swings and misses on Stamkos, and instead just spends the cap space re-signing guys, or does something dumb like badly overpays for Brian Campbell.
One could dream thoughPrimis wrote:I would think it's more likely Holland does something w/ the Datsyuk contract to move it, swings and misses on Stamkos, and instead just spends the cap space re-signing guys, or does something dumb like badly overpays for Brian Campbell.
There's still possibility of course that DET moves Jimmy Howard out to help clear up space.
As a Red Wings fan though I personally have no real hopes of them landing Stamkos. Nor am I sure it would even matter -- they still have no top pair d-men. I just don't think Holland can make anything like that happen anymore. Holland has been kinda' terrible making things happen in the cap era.
I listened to it, and the headline isn't what was said......it was mostly about Datsyuk leaving, and when Stamkos was mentioned it was about how Detroit would have to move Datsyuk's contract to go after Stamkos (not that they were a top contender)
I don't know..it's been a story pretty much all season long. If he wanted to stay in Tampa, a team is pretty stacked, a team that reached at least the conference finals two years in a row, he would've done so by now.nino33 wrote:I listened to it, and the headline isn't what was said......it was mostly about Datsyuk leaving, and when Stamkos was mentioned it was about how Detroit would have to move Datsyuk's contract to go after Stamkos (not that they were a top contender)
In fact, Dreger actually suggested Stamkos wants to stay in Tampa Bay (but that the Lightning aren't looking to go over 8.5), and said outright that he doesn't see Stamkos getting over 10 million (from any team) and even that might not be reached.....the talk of the potential 14 million salary and feeding frenzy is pretty much over
Personally, I think there's little actual interest in Stamkos (there's "kicking the tires" for sure, but probably only a handful of teams even truly considering it); I wonder if the increased talk of Stamkos maybe staying in Tampa Bay recent months is because of the lack of real interest...
Maybe he thought teams would be banging on his doors with offers of 14 millionm0fownz0r wrote:If he wanted to stay in Tampa, a team is pretty stacked, a team that reached at least the conference finals two years in a row, he would've done so by now
it's a business in the end, and Stamkos only has so many options(as Drouin found out).....Tampa's a good team, beautiful weather, no fan pressure - a lot to offer the modern hockey player, maybe more than the offers he's likely to get nino33 wrote:While I heard the narrative it always included upwards of 14 million a year and many teams will be trying to get him....media is so much hype/advertising (because they want the viewership) for the "entertainment product"
To me it feels the true finances are the elephant in the room that no one talks about...and that was when the Canadian dollar was almost on par with the US dollar! And still, the Salary Cap rose 9 out of 10 times because the players enacted the "escalator clause" (it was marginally profitable initially, in recent years it's been have the Cap go up less than 5% while giving close to 15% of your salary back!)
It's been getting worse the last few years....I think the bubble may have burst
Maybe he thought teams would be banging on his doors with offers of 14 millionm0fownz0r wrote:If he wanted to stay in Tampa, a team is pretty stacked, a team that reached at least the conference finals two years in a row, he would've done so by now
Players used the "escalator clause" again - from the sportsnet website "the 5% growth factor made the cap jump $3.57M. In real dollars, it went up by $1.6M -- so it would have dropped ~$2M without growth factor"philou21 wrote:Cap is still raising after all at 73 millions. Cap floor is also raising at 54 millions.
Why would you like to see that (a lower floor)?nino33 wrote:That's the part that I really don't like...the gap between floor and ceiling should be much bigger IMO (the ceiling should be significantly lower!.....I'd think double or triple the minimum salary x 23 = salary cap floor; IMO triple the minimum salary seems more than enough ($575K x 3 = 1.725 million.....23 players x 1.725 = $39.675 million salary floor)
Short answer, they don't deserve it/it's an artificial number not based on reality (hence the teams that manipulate their way to reaching the Cap Floor)Primis wrote:Why would you like to see that (a lower floor)?nino33 wrote:That's the part that I really don't like...the gap between floor and ceiling should be much bigger IMO (the ceiling should be significantly lower!.....I'd think double or triple the minimum salary x 23 = salary cap floor; IMO triple the minimum salary seems more than enough ($575K x 3 = 1.725 million.....23 players x 1.725 = $39.675 million salary floor)
An interesting fact here. Finland is more of a soccer country than hockey.. on junior level! Almost every kid plays soccer here. I think I knew 2 guys who played hockey and 30 who played soccer when I was a kid (played soccer myself). I have no idea where "these" things changes?! Finnish soccer is one of Europeans worst but Hockey one of the best?!nino33 wrote:P.S. Hockey's a dying sport in Canada, an elite sport to expensive to play for almost everyone growing up, to expensive for communities to build/maintain ice rinks, participation in hockey continues to drop.....while soccer participation continues to rise (much cheaper to play, much cheaper to build/maintain facilities).....and I didn't even mention the horrid NHL TV ratings in Canada or the injury/concussion concerns of parents
I thought every Canadian watches and has played hockey!?nino33 wrote:...and I didn't even mention the horrid NHL TV ratings in Canada or the injury/concussion concerns of parents
That's becoming less and less truejhcjobpb wrote:I thought every Canadian watches and has played hockey!?
(like in my EHM game) 
At amateur level Finland is more a football country than hockey, but only because it's cheaper and easier to arrange a football game. At supporter level ice hockey is clearly the most popular sport, therefore ice hockey gets more money from the paying customer and that's why there are more pro hockey players than football players. More money, more pro players.jhcjobpb wrote:An interesting fact here. Finland is more of a soccer country than hockey.. on junior level! Almost every kid plays soccer here. I think I knew 2 guys who played hockey and 30 who played soccer when I was a kid (played soccer myself). I have no idea where "these" things changes?! Finnish soccer is one of Europeans worst but Hockey one of the best?!nino33 wrote:P.S. Hockey's a dying sport in Canada, an elite sport to expensive to play for almost everyone growing up, to expensive for communities to build/maintain ice rinks, participation in hockey continues to drop.....while soccer participation continues to rise (much cheaper to play, much cheaper to build/maintain facilities).....and I didn't even mention the horrid NHL TV ratings in Canada or the injury/concussion concerns of parents