Scoring Patch for 98-99 DB

[mpronger]

Is there a way to make scoring higher in the 98-99 DB? I downloaded the new DB released and having the top scorer barely touch 100 points. I remember in EHM 2007 some attributes was edited in order to make it more realistic. Can the same thing be achieved here and which attributes would need to be mass edited?

A simple solution by SI would be some sort of preference option where the scoring by default is 1.0 and the user can tweak that to 1.2 or 1.3 so instead of barely touching 100 points, at 1.3 you would get somewhere from 120-130 for the top scorer, or hit up to 1.5-1.6 for the 80's. It's just sad seeing Jagr have 0.7 ppg in 1998/1999 season

[Asher413]

For non-98 DB's (or any): You could potentially lower all the abilities of the Defensemen and Goalies (and the defensive forwards). It may work, but the game would probably correct itself as it generates future prospects.

Never tested it though. I'm guessing those who are <SNIP> like me (I'm 5 years into a database...) you want to find the right balance of shooting percentage and goals.

[nino33]

Is there a way to make scoring higher in the 98-99 DB? I downloaded the new DB released and having the top scorer barely touch 100 points. I remember in EHM 2007 some attributes was edited in order to make it more realistic.

I'm not sure why you think scoring's so unrealistic.....IRL in 1998-99 3 players broke 100 points, in 1999-2000 0 players broke 100 points, in 2000-01 2 players broke 100 points, in 2001-02 0 players broke 100 points, in 2002-03 3 players broke 100 points - over 5 years of play 8 players broke 100 points

It's very difficult to edit a database of 20,000 players to keep the results of the 99.99% that are fine and change the results for literally a handful of players (I don't think one player's scoring represents the database either)

A simple solution by SI would be some sort of preference option where the scoring by default is 1.0 and the user can tweak that to 1.2 or 1.3

Just wondering why you think it's "simple"? My understanding is Riz likely would like to add something like this for retro databases (like the 1980s when scoring actually was much higher than the game can create), but it's not at all simple to do/will have to be a wish list item at this point

[mpronger]

Nino, your posts of late have been of such a harsh tone. Is everything alright with you man? Cheer up dude.

Whenever someone suggest something to be implemented you go and say about his it's a one man team, how it's so difficult to do like we are bashing on Riz. You don't have to defend him every post, we are all here for the same reason, love for hockey and management sims. We are not speaking ill of Riz.

Oh, by the way, by simple solution I mean as a simple way to give users a customized scoring, not necessarily that it's simple to implement, but I understand it could be a language barrier thing since English is not my first language.

Peace out

[RomaGoth]

Is there a way to make scoring higher in the 98-99 DB? I downloaded the new DB released and having the top scorer barely touch 100 points. I remember in EHM 2007 some attributes was edited in order to make it more realistic. Can the same thing be achieved here and which attributes would need to be mass edited?

A simple solution by SI would be some sort of preference option where the scoring by default is 1.0 and the user can tweak that to 1.2 or 1.3 so instead of barely touching 100 points, at 1.3 you would get somewhere from 120-130 for the top scorer, or hit up to 1.5-1.6 for the 80's. It's just sad seeing Jagr have 0.7 ppg in 1998/1999 season

I recall in EHM 2007 the consistency attribute was lowered significantly for all non-goalies to decrease scoring. I have not used the 98-99 DB, but maybe the consistency attribute could be raised (if possible). If not, you may want to try raising offensive attributes (i.e., wrist shot, slapshot, deking, getting open, etc.); I would also look at speed and acceleration as they seem to have a large impact on scoring (at least they did in previous versions of EHM).

Hope this helps.

[RomaGoth]

Is there a way to make scoring higher in the 98-99 DB? I downloaded the new DB released and having the top scorer barely touch 100 points. I remember in EHM 2007 some attributes was edited in order to make it more realistic.

I'm not sure why you think scoring's so unrealistic.....IRL in 1998-99 3 players broke 100 points, in 1999-2000 0 players broke 100 points, in 2000-01 2 players broke 100 points, in 2001-02 0 players broke 100 points, in 2002-03 3 players broke 100 points - over 5 years of play 8 players broke 100 points

We all play the game for different reasons and enjoy different things about it. That is why the game is so popular. Who cares if he wants higher scoring?

[nino33]

Nino, your posts of late have been of such a harsh tone. Is everything alright with you man? Cheer up dude.

I've been on stress leave from work since late May
I work about 10 hours or more on EHM every day
I (along with others) spent two years working on the 1998 DB...and you're talking about 1 or two players being short on points in a database of 20,000 players

It makes me feel like the effort's not worth it.....like the people that put no effort into researching/testing/understanding the game keep saying things that are very improbable or impossible (I'd like to comment on the work of others too, but I haven't seen an EHM database I haven't been involved in in years)

If you created a database, and tested it again and again to get scoring as close to right as possible (as I know CJ has done), maybe you'd feel different/more like me


The harsh tone is not meant
I've always struggled to "make everyone like me"
But I feel the thousands of hours of testing and researching should cut me some slack

I could tell you how to edit things to increase scoring, but it would take you many hours of editing to do, so it didn't bother because I never imagined you'd make the effort (maybe I was wrong)

Whenever someone suggest something to be implemented you go and say about his it's a one man team, how it's so difficult to do like we are bashing on Riz. You don't have to defend him every post, we are all here for the same reason, love for hockey and management sims. We are not speaking ill of Riz.

OK, I'll try to relax/back off
But I do want to say I wish people had realized I wasn't trying to really defend Riz, I was trying to express a reality I believe in that made the suggestion/comment a "wish list item" (there's threads for such things)...anything outside of the wishlist column I thought was "different" to me, and I responded


I respond to so much because that's how I would want to be treated
Years ago it was suggested "I write to much" and I responded back "if others before me had, I wouldn't have to"


In the Researchers Forum there's an enormous amount of testing I've done (about 2000 hours on EHM1)
A lot of times I believe what people post is false, because I know it's false....that's hard to deal with for me

Oh, by the way, by simple solution I mean as a simple way to give users a customized scoring, not necessarily that it's simple to implement,

I took your words "A simple solution by SI " as clearly pointing at SI

When I don't word something quite right, and it's brought to my attention, I just correct my wording
I find many people get offended when such things are pointed out to them, and often argue while claiming I'm the one arguing

Earlier today I misworded something http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 17#p213317
I said "I think we have differing opinions about the level/quality of play in the KHL in comparison to the NHL" - if someone had pointed out that doesn't really fit with whatelse I was saying, I would have simply said "you're right, I should have said type/style of play and not level/quality"

[nino33]

Is there a way to make scoring higher in the 98-99 DB? I downloaded the new DB released and having the top scorer barely touch 100 points. I remember in EHM 2007 some attributes was edited in order to make it more realistic.

I'm not sure why you think scoring's so unrealistic.....IRL in 1998-99 3 players broke 100 points, in 1999-2000 0 players broke 100 points, in 2000-01 2 players broke 100 points, in 2001-02 0 players broke 100 points, in 2002-03 3 players broke 100 points - over 5 years of play 8 players broke 100 points

We all play the game for different reasons and enjoy different things about it. That is why the game is so popular. Who cares if he wants higher scoring?

See it's stuff like this that makes me think it's not worth/maybe I should just abandon EHM
It's been a recent consideration with the stress leave

RomaGoth - can you please leave me alone? Your "I sim a season in 15 minutes" and "Assistant still works for me" and then such continued attacks on me makes me think you're not telling the truth about EHM and you're just trolling me

And in regards to "who cares if he wants more scoring" maybe if you were the one actually doing the editing to help make the game that "everyone enjoys and is so popular" happen you'd care/understand more

[RomaGoth]

I've been on stress leave from work since last May

I work about 10 hours or more on EHM every day

Dude, I hope you are doing ok. It sounds like you need to go back to work and escape the stress of EHM database editing/testing (meant as a joke btw).

I (along with others) spent two years working on the 1998 DB...and you're talking about 1 or two players being short on points in a database of 20,000 players

It makes me feel like the effort's not worth it.....like the people that put no effort into researching/testing/understanding the game keep saying things that are very improbable or impossible (I'd like to comment on the work of others too, but I haven't seen an EHM database I haven't been involved in in years)

We are all very thankful for your hard work and time commitment to these DB's. Just remember, everyone plays differently and wants different things from a game. I prefer a lot of realism, almost to the point that I am obsessed with it and rarely get past 5 seasons before I feel the need to update ratings and rosters again...and start over...rinse, repeat.

I suggest enjoy doing what you are doing and let others do the same. Just know we all appreciate your hard work even if the results aren't always what we want.

[RomaGoth]

See it's stuff like this that makes me think it's not worth/maybe I should just abandon EHM
It's been a recent consideration with the stress leave

RomaGoth - can you please leave me alone? Your "I sim a season in 15 minutes" and "Assistant still works for me" and then such continued attacks on me makes me think you're not telling the truth about EHM and you're just trolling me

And in regards to "who cares if he wants more scoring" maybe if you were the one actually doing the editing to help make the game that "everyone enjoys and is so popular" happen you'd care/understand more

I am not trolling you, trust me. I have no time for trolling anybody. I am just expressing an opinion which you apparently don't agree with. That is fine. FWIW, I have never attacked you. Just trying to carry on a conversation. Please see my post above.

[nino33]

Dude, I hope you are doing ok. It sounds like you need to go back to work and escape the stress of EHM database editing/testing (meant as a joke btw)

I work with violent special needs kids in schools, so I'm off for the summer

I suggest enjoy doing what you are doing and let others do the same. Just know we all appreciate your hard work even if the results aren't always what we want.

I don't want to keep putting up with what I consider unfair/uncalled for treatment
I think if I have to let others enjoy doing that to me I'll abandon EHM
I've been around for 6 years, and tried every day to help the community...IMO I've provided more than enough to be treated better
There's a wish list thread as I keep saying...


If people would just start with "he's trying to help" rather than "he's being a jerk" it would really help me out a lot I think
If not, then maybe things aren't going to work out.....

[nino33]

I think I'd like to make one more point that will hopefully help people understand better where I'm coming from.....

I've been essentially doing all of Major Junior since 2012
I don't want to. I want to work on retro databases & do testing
But the vast majority of the community plays the modern database, and we don't have anyone else to do the work, so I carry on with the Major Junior work

We are INCREDIBLY short on researchers
I'd say we need at least a dozen or more people
Since taking over as the lead with the TBL Rosters this spring I have multiple times spent hours explaining things/preparing things for multiple prospective researchers.....and not once has it resulted in any research produced (my understanding is it's always been this way, the vast majority of volunteers produce no work whatsoever)

So again, given the incredible shortage of (volunteer) researchers, and the immense amount of work researching/editing is (I normally would have started on the Major Junior work months ago! but haven't as I was busy with the 1998 DB & testing, because we're still learning how the new EHM works too!).....given all of this, I honestly wish more patience/understanding was given to me

[mpronger]

Hey Nino you know very well we all appreciate your DB work.

It's about how EHM, the game itself, has a much reduced scoring since both the beta and EHM 2007.

Like I said, "a simple solution by SI" does not = it's simple for SI to do but = a simple way to get this request done by SI without having to fiddle with DB and attributes. It is, afterall, how Riz did it himself in the original freeware EHM:

[nino33]

Hey Nino you know very well we all appreciate your DB work.

Seriously.....no, no I don't
The stress leave has resulted in some significant lifestyle changes for me, and I hadn't thought about it until the last couple days.....but maybe I don't need this stress anymore

[mpronger]

Hey Nino you know very well we all appreciate your DB work.

Seriously.....no, no I don't
The stress leave has resulted in some significant lifestyle changes for me, and I hadn't thought about it until the last couple days.....but maybe I don't need this stress anymore

Well... we do... we honestly do.

People just have preferences in how they play or see the game, having an option to change the scoring level as it was in the original EHM is a simple way of getting this done. This is what I was trying to say all along.

Nothing against the DB... AT ALL, I'm sure the best research possible within means was put in it, there are after all enough posts in these forum congratulating each and every db available for download. My intention was customizing it in a way I would better enjoy my game. I posted in another thread here a screen showing how in 16 years of play, only once did a player reach 100 points:



To each their own, but for me, I don't think that is how the next 16 years will pan out in the NHL. I cannot see only 1 player reaching 100 points over the next 16 seasons in real life. After all, in the last 10 full NHL seasons (not counting the lockout season, in which the average was for over 100) only once did a player not reach 100 points.

Having the simple (don't kill me ) option of "scoring level" like in the original game would solve this "issue".

[nino33]

I have resigned as a TBL researcher, and at this time am essentially abandoning EHM.
I think it's best for my mental/emotional health

I don't mean to cause the issues that I apparently cause, and I don't really feel understood/appreciated, and it's causing me a lot of additional stress, and I don't see a solution, and there's other games/things to do in life.....

If you possibly can and actually will, please volunteer to research for the TBL Rosters

[Statsman1]

I have resigned as a TBL researcher, and at this time am essentially abandoning EHM.
I think it's best for my mental/emotional health

I don't mean to cause the issues that I apparently cause, and I don't really feel understood/appreciated, and it's causing me a lot of additional stress, and I don't see a solution, and there's other games/things to do in life.....

If you possibly can and actually will, please volunteer to research for the TBL Rosters

This should NOT happen.

Nino, I hope you reconsider. I have only recently been turned on to the various databases and add-ons to this game, and I have found the work you have done to be INCREDIBLY helpful and I very much appreciate what you, and other volunteers, have done.

[CJ]

I have raised the scoring of this DB around 10% from what it was originally (first it was hard to have players over 90 pts.). I have lowered the goalies CA and gave players higher scoring attributes. I can't get the scoring higher without doing anything unrealistic.

One idea is to lower the goalies consistency. BUT then the few new generated goalies would have "normal" consistency and be better overall than our own goalies.

[archibalduk]

I'm going to lock this thread as it had been needlessly taken way off topic.

There's a mass editing tool in the Downloads section which you could use to perhaps reduce goalie attributes. I can't post the link as I'm away this weekend and only have access via my phone. I can't remember if Consistency is an attribute that carries over to regens - although things may be different for EHM 1 anyway.

Feel free to start a new thread on this topic if you wish.