Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

[bruins72]

All Challenge 44 talk goes here!

[MWE]

Downloading the save now should be good

[Peter_Doherty]

Look forward to this.

[MWE]

I'm 2-7-1 after ten games

[m0fownz0r]

I got the rosters/save yesterday just to take a look at the squad.

The goalies are underwhelming and Domi's PA seems to be reduced from previous DBs. The Center "depth" is a joke, hopefully Strome can grow enough in a year. I might even send Domi down, not sure about Duclair.

Not many trade assests as well, mby a couple of Dmen for a Center could work.

[Peter_Doherty]

How do you know Domis PA is reduced? :S

[ppaalloo]

every season I can sing only 2 players for 525k or one player for 1 million?

[ppaalloo]

http://prntscr.com/dmyvkb now I am done

[Bastulon]

http://prntscr.com/dmyvkb now I am done

Ouuuuuuuuuuuuch. This is going to be my first challenge so I'm excited to play along with you all =)

[ppaalloo]

This is my first challenge too in first season I finnish last

[m0fownz0r]

How do you know Domis PA is reduced? :S

I don't. I said, it looks that way, based on his lower atts despite being a year older.

[stone169]

I didn't really notice, since I just started and am gearing up for training camp, but is losing Doan for 5 months part of the actual save, or am I just really unlucky?

[Bastulon]

I didn't really notice, since I just started and am gearing up for training camp, but is losing Doan for 5 months part of the actual save, or am I just really unlucky?

Just unlucky. When I first looked at this roster I was like "I can make it work"...I don't know how Dave Tippett does it. Voodoo magic.

[nino33]

Domi's PA seems to be reduced from previous DBs

How do you know Domis PA is reduced? :S

I don't. I said, it looks that way, based on his lower atts despite being a year older.

His PA is the same as last year, and his CA has increased from 138 to 152 (and taking a quick look using the PreGame Editor, his totals for Physical/Technical Attributes have increased since last year too)

Also, PA is "Potential Ability" and thus it's not "noticeable" by looking at starting Attributes (that would be CA); Domi's PA is -9 which means it'll be somewhere between 150 and 180, so it's highly likely he's going to get significantly better!

[Peter_Doherty]

That seems about right nino, overall you guys have done a great job with this database.

[m0fownz0r]

Domi's PA seems to be reduced from previous DBs

How do you know Domis PA is reduced? :S

I don't. I said, it looks that way, based on his lower atts despite being a year older.

His PA is the same as last year, and his CA has increased from 138 to 152 (and taking a quick look using the PreGame Editor, his totals for Physical/Technical Attributes have increased since last year too)

Also, PA is "Potential Ability" and thus it's not "noticeable" by looking at starting Attributes (that would be CA); Domi's PA is -9 which means it'll be somewhere between 150 and 180, so it's highly likely he's going to get significantly better!

All I meant was that by looking at his attributes in the save game, to me, they appeared to be lower in comparision to level his attributes usually are during the 2nd season. It was all based on a mere observation of mine.

Also, I'm fully aware what "Potential Ability" is and that it's not "noticeable" by looking at the starting atts.

Thanks for the lecture on the terminology though.

[nino33]

Thanks for the lecture on the terminology though.

Not sure why you've taken offence
You said PA (which makes no sense to use in the context you did), and your observations weren't correct either...I'm not sure how I was supposed to know you didn't mean what your words actually said; if you're allowed to post your thoughts/observations, I'd think I can post mine too

[Canadian Passport]

I couldn't help myself, I downloaded the save last night and woke up early to get some game time in. I'm 8 games in so far and I'm 4-2-2. I'm not sure what to make of the team, I'm in every game but not dominating and the two regulation losses were just because I gave a ton of penalties, I gave the Pens 13 PP's and the Ducks 10. I know it's early but I don't think this team is horrible and I think it's actually pretty close to being pretty good

[m0fownz0r]

Thanks for the lecture on the terminology though.

Not sure why you've taken offence
You said PA (which makes no sense to use in the context you did), and your observations weren't correct either...I'm not sure how I was supposed to know you didn't mean what your words actually said; if you're allowed to post your thoughts/observations, I'd think I can post mine too

Because it was condescending.

How is potential ability making no sense in the context of player growth?

[nino33]

How is potential ability making no sense in the context of player growth?

- because PA doesn't affect a player's growth between age 20 and 21, it's a long term thing
- because you can't observe a PA reduction by looking at Attributes in game (which is what you said you did)
- the actual observation you made was incorrect, his Attributes are actually higher (because his CA is higher)

I'm not interested in arguing with you, you can carry on if you'd like, I'm done

Enjoy the Challenge everyone; Merry Christmas

[CJ]

Domi's PA seems to be reduced from previous DBs

How do you know Domis PA is reduced? :S

I don't. I said, it looks that way, based on his lower atts despite being a year older.

His PA is the same as last year, and his CA has increased from 138 to 152 (and taking a quick look using the PreGame Editor, his totals for Physical/Technical Attributes have increased since last year too)

Also, PA is "Potential Ability" and thus it's not "noticeable" by looking at starting Attributes (that would be CA); Domi's PA is -9 which means it'll be somewhere between 150 and 180, so it's highly likely he's going to get significantly better!

I was about to reply on that comment, but not surprise you got before me. And don't reveal too much for these guys.

[m0fownz0r]

How is potential ability making no sense in the context of player growth?

- because PA doesn't affect a player's growth between age 20 and 21, it's a long term thing
- because you can't observe a PA reduction by looking at Attributes in game (which is what you said you did)
- the actual observation you made was incorrect, his Attributes are actually higher (because his CA is higher)

I'm not interested in arguing with you, you can carry on if you'd like, I'm done

Enjoy the Challenge everyone; Merry Christmas

Potential ability as in the upside a given player has ,but I guess you only see it a ehm definition which is related to a certain digit/number. You can't move pass the literal meaning of "Potential ability". That's fine.

What I have a problem with is the attitude. You are not arguing, you just state your opinion in a condesending manner and leave.

[nino33]

And don't reveal too much for these guys.

Yeah, I can't help myself! HaHa
I follow the "golden rule" and I always appreciate clarification/elucidation of facts myself (I never think of such feedback as a negative myself, and so alas I often continue to fail to see how others would & as you know "from the editing perspective" the literal meaning that relates to certain numbers is the only option we have)

You are not arguing, you just state your opinion in a condesending manner and leave.

I'm not stating an opinion, I'm stating actual facts. Words mean what they mean literally, people can't always be mind readers when words are incorrectly used or explanations not given...you could have just clarified what you meant (as I did here http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 26#p221026)

And my trying to "leave" such discussions is an attempt to avoid unnecessary conflict, and instead focus on the many hours I spend on testing and database editing that allows people like you to enjoy EHM more

[m0fownz0r]

And don't reveal too much for these guys.

Yeah, I can't help myself! HaHa
I follow the "golden rule" and I always appreciate clarification/elucidation of facts myself (I never think of such feedback as a negative myself, and so alas I often continue to fail to see how others would & as you know "from the editing perspective" the literal meaning that relates to certain numbers is the only option we have)

You are not arguing, you just state your opinion in a condesending manner and leave.

I'm not stating an opinion, I'm stating actual facts. Words mean what they mean literally, people can't always be mind readers when words are incorrectly used or explanations not given...you could have just clarified what you meant (as I did here http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 26#p221026)

And my trying to "leave" such discussions is an attempt to avoid unnecessary conflict, and instead focus on the many hours I spend on testing and database editing that allows people like you to enjoy EHM more

People like me? Do you not enjoy EHM? or the DBs you make? Have I ever expressed any ungratefullness towards you or any of the people involved in the updating process?

Words mean what they mean literally

...
verb (used with object), left, leaving.
1.
to go out of or away from, as a place:
to leave the house.
2.
to depart from permanently; quit:
to leave a job.
3.
to let remain or have remaining behind after going, disappearing, ceasing, etc.:
I left my wallet home. The wound left a scar.
4.
to allow to remain in the same place, condition, etc.:
Is there any coffee left?
5.
to let stay or be as specified:
to leave a door unlocked.
6.
to let (a person or animal) remain in a position to do something without interference:
We left him to his work.
7.
to let (a thing) remain for action or decision:
We left the details to the lawyer.
8.
to give in charge; deposit; entrust:
Leave the package with the receptionist. I left my name and phone number.
9.
to stop; cease; give up:
He left music to study law.
10.
to disregard; neglect:
We will leave this for the moment and concentrate on the major problem.
11.
to give for use after one's death or departure:
to leave all one's money to charity.
12.
to have remaining after death:
He leaves a wife and three children.
13.
to have as a remainder after subtraction:
2 from 4 leaves 2.
14.
Nonstandard. let1(defs 1, 2, 6).

[ppaalloo]

now I was fired that means challenge wasnt successful?