TBL DB 2018: Early Beta version

[paja_ko]

Hello,
I noticed that newly-generated players have very low values of potential attributes.
My test ended in the 2024-25 season:
PA of all newly generated players:
PA over 180 - 0 players
PA 170-180 - 1 player
PA 160-170 - 3 players
PA 150-160 - about 15 players

I am sorry for my bad English.

[Alessandro]

We are aware of this problem and are trying to improve this situation

[Mr.Rastafarian]

Wanna some help?

[CJ]

We are aware of this problem and are trying to improve this situation

Isn't the game picking PA's from retired players for the newgen's?

[Alessandro]

We are aware of this problem and are trying to improve this situation

Isn't the game picking PA's from retired players for the newgen's?

Basically, yes. But I, named and shindings are studying ways to improve the current situation for a more realistic long-term simulation. Probably we will have to raise a little bit the CA of some leagues. Tests are ongoing. For now just keep on researching the way you're doing it.

[nino33]

We are aware of this problem and are trying to improve this situation

Isn't the game picking PA's from retired players for the newgen's?

Basically, yes. But I, named and shindings are studying ways to improve the current situation for a more realistic long-term simulation. Probably we will have to raise a little bit the CA of some leagues. Tests are ongoing. For now just keep on researching the way you're doing it.

What is "the current situation" that's trying to be improved? If it's a lack of superstar/generational talent I don't see how increasing the CA levels of some leagues helps



I was curious so I looked at the PA for 4 draft years in the current EHM database (2008-2010 + 2012) and I looked at the same ranges as the OP

I included variable PAs and used the known math/distribution model to project actual PA (so all variable PA players are included in the calculations)

Original poster saw 0 - 1 - 3 - 15 players (19 total) within the four PA ranges
2012 has 0 - 3 - 6 - 8 players (17 total)
2010 has 1 - 2 - 8 - 8 players (19 total)
2009 has 2 - 3 - 4 - 15 players (24 total)
2008 has 4 - 1 - 6 - 9 players (20 total)

[nino33]

Here's the actual data from the 4 drafts I looked at...
For each year the top 30 listed are the top 30 drafted, then it's only players with a minimum of 100 NHL GP (but still in draft order)
The number listed (on the far left) is the player's PA


2012 NHL Draft
132 N. Yakupov (-14) less than 50% chance of improving on his 132 CA
165 R. Murray (-9) current CA 148
165 A. Galchenyuk (-9) current CA 162
145 G. Reinhart (-8) current CA 122
165 M. Rielly (-9) current CA 152
165 H. Lindholm (-9) current CA 158
145 M. Dumba (-8) current CA 136
145 D. Pouliot (-8) current CA 128
165 J. Trouba (-9) current CA 152
145 S. Koekkoek (-8) current CA 126
165 F. Forsberg (-9) current CA 160
137 M. Grigorenko current CA 122
128 R. Faksa (-14) less than 50% chance of improving on his 128 CA
136 Z. Girgensons (-14) less than 50% chance of improving on his 136 CA
145 C. Ceci (-8) current CA 140
135 T. Wilson (-14) current CA 128
148 T. Hertl (-8) less than 50% chance of improving on his 148 CA
165 T. Teräväinen (-9) current CA 140
165 A. Vasilevskiy (-9) current CA 144
145 S. Laughton (-8) current CA 128
125 M. Jankowski (-14) current CA 99
138 O. Määttä (-14) less than 50% chance of improving on his 138 CA
145 M. Matheson (-8) current CA 138
140 M. Subban (-15) current CA 118
125 J. Schmaltz (-14) current CA 96
125 B. Gaunce (-14) current CA 128
145 H. Samuelsson (-8) current Ca 116
145 B. Skjei (-8) current CA 132
126 S. Matteau (-14) less than 50% chance of improving on his 126 CA
154 T. Pearson current CA 146
145 J. McCabe (-8) current CA 136
126 C. Sissons (-7) less than 50% chance of improving on his 126 CA
132 C. Tierney (-14) less than 50% chance of improving on his 132 CA
138 J. Martinook (-7) little chance of improving on his 138 CA
148 D. Severson (-8) less than 50% chance of improving on his 148 CA
142 S. Gostisbehere (-14) less than 50% chance of improving on his 142 CA
146 C. Parayko (-8) less than 50% chance of improving on his 146 CA
156 F. Andersen
125 C. Paquette (-7) current CA 124
128 A. Athanasiou (-7) less than 50% chance of improving on his 128 CA
138 J. Slavin (-14) less than 50% chance of improving on his 138 CA
126 C. Carrick (-7) less than 50% chance of improving on his 126 CA
145 B. Hutton (-8) current CA 138
126 C. Miller (-7) less than 50% chance of improving on his 126 CA

1/3 of 8 players with a -9 PA would most likely result in two, maybe three players with a 170-180 PA
1/3 of 14 players with a -8 PA would likely result in four players with a 150-160 PA + 1/7 of 12 players with a -14 PA would likely result in an additional one or two players with a 150-160 PA



2010 NHL Draft
178 T. Hall
188 T. Seguin
148 E. Gudbranson
164 R. R. Johansen
152 N. Niederreiter
140 B. Connolly
162 J. Skinner
134 A. Burmistrov
148 M. Granlund (-8) less than 50% chance of improving on his 148 CA
125 D. McIlrath (-7)
125 J. Campbell (-14)
156 C. Fowler
134 B. Gormley
162 J. Schwartz
125 D. Forbort (-7)
176 V. Tarasenko
125 J. Hishon (-7) current CA is 120
136 A. Watson
150 N. Bjugstad
144 B. Bennett
154 R. Sheahan
130 J. Tinordi
136 M. Pysyk
152 K. Hayes
126 Q. Howden
125 M. Visentin (-14) current CA is 98
145 C. Coyle (-8)
134 E. Etem
156 B. Nelson
146 A. Petrovic
164 J. Faulk
142 J. Merrill
128 P. Nemeth (-7) less than 50% chance of improving on his 128 CA
146 D. Smith-Pelly
148 R. Spooner
138 M. Marincin
168 T. Toffoli
150 C. Järnkrok
136 J. Larsson
128 O. Lindberg (-7) less than 50% chance of improving on his 148 CA
144 J. Zucker
146 R. Gudas
128 M. Bournival (-14) less than 50% chance of improving on his 128 CA
136 B. Rust
130 M. Chaput
138 J. Nordström
142 J. Donskoi
164 J. Klingberg
136 M. Ferland
166 P. Mrázek
148 B. Gallagher
134 D. Prout
142 J. Fast
136 B. Davidson
166 M. Stone
156 F. Andersen



2009 NHL Draft
184 J. Tavares
186 V. Hedman
170 M. Duchene
156 E. Kane
154 B. Schenn
170 O. Ekman-Larsson
154 N. Kadri
105 S. Glennie (-6) current CA is 86
132 J. Cowen
134 M. Pääjärvi
156 R. Ellis
154 C. De Haan
132 Z. Kassian
152 D. Kulikov
130 P. Holland
166 N. Leddy
140 D. Rundblad
122 L. Leblanc
156 C. Kreider
134 J. Josefson
146 J. Moore
132 J. Schroeder
136 T. Schroeder
136 T. Erixon
148 M. Johansson
126 J. Caron
152 K. Palmieri
112 P. Paradis
130 D. Olsen
130 C. Ashton
140 S. Després
170 R. O'Reilly
132 K. Clifford
130 A. Chiasson
158 J. Silfverberg
134 A. Lander
138 R. Lehner (-14) less than 50% chance of improving on his 138 CA
150 B. Dumoulin
142 R. Pánik
138 É. Gélinas
142 D. Orlov
125 B. Pirri
150 T. Tatár
164 T. Barrie
140 B. McNabb
160 R. Smith
130 M. Latta
136 A. Nestrasil
136 K. Connauton
130 N. Deslauriers
150 C. Eakin
140 C. Cizikas
142 D. Savard
134 L. Vey
150 C. Smith
134 C. Wideman
156 M. Ekholm
138 M. Foligno
158 S. Vatanen
138 B. Chiarot
164 M. Hoffman
130 G. Bourque
140 M. Krüger
152 A. Lee
144 D. Kuemper
136 E. Haula
126 J. Nolan



2008 NHL Draft
182 S. Stamkos
190 D. Doughty
148 Z. Bogosian
180 A. Pietrangelo
134 L. Schenn
121 N. Filatov
142 C. Wilson
146 M. Bødker
146 J. Bailey
RET C. Hodgson (retired after 2015-16 season, drafted #10 overall, 328 NHL GP)
115 K. Beach
158 T. Myers
105 C. Teubert (-13) less than 50% chance of improving on his 105 CA
128 Z. Boychuk
190 E. Karlsson
142 J. Colborne
146 J. Gardiner
91 C. Pickard
132 L. Sbisa
154 M. Del Zotto
95 A. Gustafsson (-13)
154 J. Eberle
93 T. Cuma
130 M. Tedenby
RET G. Nemisz (retired after 2014-15 season, drafted #25 overall, 15 NHL GP)
146 T. Ennis
168 J. Carlson
119 V. Tikhonov
112 D. Leveillé
124 T. McCollum
134 J. Markström
146 V. Voynov
164 J. Allen
130 C. Goloubef
168 R. Josi
136 P. Wiercioch
140 J. Schultz
130 Z. Dalpe
168 D. Stepan
162 T. Hamonic
150 M. Scandella
136 J. Hayes
146 J. Lehterä
146 M. Stone
132 L. Bouma
140 Z. Smith
166 A. Henrique
128 B. McMillan
186 B. Holtby
134 D. Weise
158 T.J. Brodie
125 J. Wright
150 G. Nyquist
138 A. Loktionov
138 M. Calvert
134 M. Borowiecki
128 M. Martin
138 P. Larsen
132 M. Barberio
154 J. Spurgeon
156 C. Atkinson
128 B. Smith
138 T. Wingels
124 Z. Rinaldo
128 Z. Redmond
150 J. Demers
126 M. Bartkowski
128 A. Lindbäck

[nino33]

For anyone wondering what "known math/distribution model" regarding PA refers to, or why I'm saying some players have a "less than 50% chance of improving" on their CA, see the February 9th discussion here http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... ge#p223458

[nino33]

I was curious so I looked at the PA for 4 draft years in the current EHM database (2008-2010 + 2012) and I looked at the same ranges as the OP

I included variable PAs and used the known math/distribution model to project actual PA (so all variable PA players are included in the calculations)

Original poster saw 0 - 1 - 3 - 15 players (19 total) within the four PA ranges
2012 has 0 - 3 - 6 - 8 players (17 total)
2010 has 1 - 2 - 8 - 8 players (19 total)
2009 has 2 - 3 - 4 - 15 players (24 total)
2008 has 4 - 1 - 6 - 9 players (20 total)

FYI - I also kept track of those in the 125-149 PA range and the 124 and under PA range
2012 DRAFT 29 in the 125-149 PA range, 0 in the 124 and under PA range
2010 DRAFT 37 in the 125-149 PA range, 0 in the 124 and under PA range
2009 DRAFT 39 in the 125-149 PA range, 3 in the 124 and under PA range
2008 DRAFT 35 in the 125-149 PA range, 12 in the 124 and under PA range

[djskek]

I would like to point out of the problem again in the following topic.

http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 22#p223722


In some leagues, team reputations are too high and generally too mixed. It would be good if all head-researchers from the leagues / countries discussed.

[Alessandro]

I would like to point out of the problem again in the following topic.

http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 22#p223722


In some leagues, team reputations are too high and generally too mixed. It would be good if all head-researchers from the leagues / countries discussed.

We did change a lot of reps for this release (mostly lowering them), did you check in the latest version? Can you tell us any example of any rep that should be changed?

[djskek]

I examine it more closely and then report.

The german DEL is definitely one of this leagues. I believe France is also part of it.

To understand: The reputation of a team indicates how attractive a team is? So higher the reputation is, the better / well known players can I sign?

[Alessandro]

I examine it more closely and then report.

The german DEL is definitely one of this leagues. I believe France is also part of it.

To understand: The reputation of a team indicates how attractive a team is? So higher the reputation is, the better / well known players can I sign?

Yes, the definition is ok.

[celislanders1]

Is the Champions Hockey league correct ?? and Will the new Elite league be correct ??

[archibalduk]

I don't know if the EIHL will be 100% correct yet - it depends if I can get the correct scheduling working with the three conferences. It'll certainly have 12 teams though.

[celislanders1]

As long are the teams are there thats what matters. Great work mate

[Alessandro]

Is the Champions Hockey league correct ?? and Will the new Elite league be correct ??

No, the Champions league is hardcoded, therefore we can't edit there.

[celislanders1]

Shame something SI should look at changing then for us.

[aidanmac22]

Have never had such an issue with the files. They won't unzip or unrar or whatever. Did everything like I normally have.

[nino33]

Have never had such an issue with the files. They won't unzip or unrar or whatever. Did everything like I normally have.

Weird...I just downloaded/unzipped the file without issue; sorry that I have no helpful advice, I'm not sure why it's not working for you

[aidanmac22]

I get 4 things (database and 3 configurations) however I normally get a roster file. I don't know what the issue is.

[nino33]

I get 4 things (database and 3 configurations) however I normally get a roster file. I don't know what the issue is.

That's the format for the new (since 2015) EHM...sounds like you're maybe thinking of the EHM07 format (TBL databases aren't released in EHM07 format anymore, just the new EHM1 format)

You can access the roster information and a lot more within the "database" file using Archi's Editor http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 10&t=14290

FYI you can also access/edit some of the data in a saved game with Archi's Editor, or with Garfild's EHM Assistant http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... &start=525

[aidanmac22]

I've only played the new EHM. I normally get a folder (example, TBL rosters v 9.1, and a readme thing) but this time I get database and 3 different configs. I put the database and the configs in the database folder with EHM and the beta rosters won't show up when I try to import a database. I've always done things the way workthespace has on youtube.

[nino33]

I've only played the new EHM. I normally get a folder (example, TBL rosters v 9.1, and a readme thing) but this time I get database and 3 different configs. I put the database and the configs in the database folder with EHM and the beta rosters won't show up when I try to import a database. I've always done things the way workthespace has on youtube.

I guess part of the "beta experience" is no readme file HaHa


You don't import the Beta database (it's not in EHM07 format, it's already in EHM1 format.....so it makes sense to me that an EHM1 database doesn't show up as an EHM07 database you can import)


Sorry, I've never watched the youtube video you're referring to...Did you try making a folder (in your steam-steamapps-common-Eastside Hockey Manager-data-database folder) and putting the downloaded files in the folder? And then just selecting the database to start a new game with (no need to import)?

You should be able to choose the database (it should show up as whatever you called the folder)

[KillerKlown]

I am not sure if this is the right place to post, but when playing through I noticed New York Islanders prospect Robin Salo is listed at 385 pounds.