Scouting and you; the basics

Post by **philou21** » Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:19 am

I always wondered why too. My guess is that they already reached their potential and they won't develop more.

thegreaterikku · Post by **thegreaterikku** » Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:53 pm

Iginla12 wrote: Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:13 am My Question is about scouting results. Sometimes i scout 18 year old players and there is no future rating, only current. Why? I scouted them with 2 or 3 Scouts....

It means, while I won't say 100% of the time, that the player has reached it's maxed potential. But you must scout him with a lot of scouts to be 100% sure. After reading this thread, I put 5 scouts minimum for every players I want to trade for or draft and the result has been way way better than what I was doing before.

KevT90 · Post by **KevT90** » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:18 pm

Is there any advantages in scouting the CHL, NCAA, and other major junior leagues individually/specifically instead of just the entry draft ?

Post by **philou21** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:13 am

Sometimes you can find good players that are not ranked with scouting the leagues one by one. Usually I scout both the draft and most of the junior leagues.

Rough Neck · Post by **Rough Neck** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:07 pm

With scouting, what do you do if the report has "Brings A-game when needed..." and "needs to improve consistency"

Saapas · Post by **Saapas** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:54 pm

I would think that those refer to hidden stats "Big game" and Consistency. Consistency is low and big game stat seems to be quite high

Rough Neck · Post by **Rough Neck** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:29 pm

My understanding is both refer to consistency, which is why it is confusing. Wonder if it just balances it out?

TurboJ · Post by **TurboJ** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:21 am

Rough Neck wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:29 pm My understanding is both refer to consistency, which is why it is confusing. Wonder if it just balances it out?

Saapas is correct. A player can easily have low consistency but high attribute in 'big games'. In practice a player like this could or could not be underwhelming during regular seasons but could well be the deciding factor in you final game.

I had a winger like that once. Scouts were complaining not only about his consistency but also decision making.
And his visible stats were mediocre to say the least.

Yet somehow he managed multiple 100+ point seasons and averaged more than 1.3 points per game on his playoff career, winning Conn Smythe twice along with several other trophies.

The funny thing was there was nothing that stood out in this player; he was simply scoring at a crazy rate for no apparent reason, all the way form juniors to Stanley Cup finals. Once he scored 29 points in 17 playoff games with 9.0 avr rating. He regularly outshone Alex Ovechkin and Tyler Seguin who were on my first line even while playing less minutes than then and mostly on the second line. And he was even an excellent penalty killer. All the while scouts were complaining about his consistency and decision making...

One interesting thing happened towards the end of his career though. Scouts stopped complaining about those attributes. But they aren't supposed to improve, are they? So why did those complaints both vanish from all the scouting reports after he'd played multiple NHL seasons?

......

Now my current game has a Bo Horvat who's said by the scouts to 'give his all at both ends' AND be 'a pure goal scorer' at the same time. What gives?

Post by **philou21** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:29 pm

TurboJ wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:21 am Now my current game has a Bo Horvat who's said by the scouts to 'give his all at both ends' AND be 'a pure goal scorer' at the same time. What gives?

The way I see it is that he's simply a good two-way foward that is good at scoring goals. It's not because he's a "pure scorer" that he can't be good defensively.

TurboJ · Post by **TurboJ** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:27 am

OK, thanks. I thought the 'pure goalscorer' meant that defensive role is small, but thanks for clearing that up!

TurboJ · Post by **TurboJ** » Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:02 pm

Found a prospect whose projected player role is "quick offensive forward". I don't recall ever seeing that before. Would anyone happen to know what this actually means and why it is so rare to see this role appear? Thanks!

Rough Neck · Post by **Rough Neck** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:27 am

TurboJ wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:02 pm Found a prospect whose projected player role is "quick offensive forward". I don't recall ever seeing that before. Would anyone happen to know what this actually means and why it is so rare to see this role appear? Thanks!

I think it has to do with attributes and mentality. Chances are they have low stats in positioning, pokecheck and checking, but high offensive stats. Also probably fast skaters lol

TurboJ · Post by **TurboJ** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:02 am

Rough Neck wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:27 am I think it has to do with attributes and mentality.

I guess you're right. Has to be a rare combination of attributes though, if such a role almost never appears in-game.

Rough Neck · Post by **Rough Neck** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:55 am

TurboJ wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:02 am I guess you're right. Has to be a rare combination of attributes though, if such a role almost never appears in-game.

I think it is. I have seen it but it is not common.

BulldogsFan · Post by **BulldogsFan** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:18 pm

Shindigs... I love your very in depth post in the opening post.. My question is I am playig Major Juniors soe the players ratings picking a 14 year in in a WHL draft won't have good ratings so taking from what I just read I am looking at mainly what the scouts say about him and your few ratings that you filter correct?

Post by **nino33** » Mon May 04, 2020 8:02 pm

FYI - Some clarification regrading the definition of the Pressure Attribute

The OP notes Pressure: Helps players deal with high puck pressure teams and presumably is also quite helpful for high pressure situations like shootouts and special teams & the TBL Attributes wikipedia page defines Pressure as How well a player handles pressure. Very important attribute for all players. Players with a rating below 10 struggle against an opponent who uses a pressing style of play and skilled forecheckers.

In my notes and on my wall chart from years ago I had Pressure defined as "How well he handles pressure (e.g. when a team in a higher League shows interest)"

I stumbled upon this difference last month, and I asked Riz for clarification and he said the Pressure Attribute is about how mental pressure is handled (like pressure from the media, interest from other teams, signing big contracts), and that he can't recall there being a link to ingame play (like handling forechecking)

Rough Neck · Post by **Rough Neck** » Mon May 11, 2020 5:41 pm

If professionalism can bring up work rate or determination, has anyone had experience testing this when one attribute, say determination, is at 18-20 and the other, say work rate, is at 6-10? Will the player get upset since one is is still very high?

BulldogsFan · Post by **BulldogsFan** » Mon May 25, 2020 2:23 am

Just wondering if there was a way to just scout players wanting to go to college?

0955590 · Post by **0955590** » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:08 am

BulldogsFan wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 2:23 am Just wondering if there was a way to just scout players wanting to go to college?

You can scout the american and canadian junior leagues (IE not major junior) but there isn't as far as I know a way to specify that. One thing that is helpful is going to free agents when you coach a college team and filtering out the unrealistic targets or whatever the button is called. Those guys will at least humor college contract offers

0955590 · Post by **0955590** » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:08 pm

BulldogsFan wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 2:23 am Just wondering if there was a way to just scout players wanting to go to college?

From exploring the forum I found the EHM assistant add-on utility which is kind of a "cheat" but you could go as far as searching players by junior preference (IE college) and then sort by current/potential ability even.

Snubbed4Vezina · Post by **Snubbed4Vezina** » Thu Nov 28, 2024 3:44 pm

Thank you for all the work put into the update. This is fantastic.

doublesky · Post by **doublesky** » Sat Apr 19, 2025 12:34 pm

Sorry if question is silly but aren't star ratings directly linked to line projections, at least in NHL? All the times, in EHM07 and then in EHM 1, I've been seeing scout projections like 1st line = 5 stars, 2ND line = 4 stars, etc.