1992-93 Retro Roster (WIP)

yojimbo1111 · Post by **yojimbo1111** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:22 pm

This is built from Lawrence97's 1992-93 rosters. I have mostly updated/added prospects. This is a 30 team roster. 10 min 3 on 3 OT with no shootouts. A 64 yr old Gordie Howe is on the Kings so he can play with Gretzky. I am working on making authentic 24 team rosters but I think EHM1 deserves a new 1992 roster. Next step is to figure out how to add it to Steam (i have tried searching for the answer in Steam and google but have yet to figure it out).

Only added stats for Gretzky, Howe, and Messier so far to match NHL records.

Please give feedback on player ratings, details (DoB, height, weight, position, hand) and missing players/coaches. As well as feedback on colors, etc.

=== DOWNLOADS ===

Version 0.80
Includes the real life NHL structure albeit without the divisional split within the playoffs. See screenshots
Download: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AsXFKQMOdPqgiRUkw_D ... 7?e=7aobO2

Version 0.79
Initial release
Download: jbo_1992 rosters v0.79

yojimbo1111 · Post by **yojimbo1111** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:59 pm

Well of course I figure it out as soon as I say I can't. Steam link above.

Post by **archibalduk** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:10 pm

This is really excellent news!

I will take a look this weekend.

I think I have some 1990/91 league structures I worked on a while back just for fun. I will dust them off and see if I can update them for 1992/93 so that we can get authentic playable league structures. I should be able to help you with some player histories - I think I have some in a spreadsheet somewhere...

yojimbo1111 · Post by **yojimbo1111** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:51 am

That would be great! I cannot get the 24 team league to work. The teams are playable but there are no games scheduled for the season. I am guessing it is due to the schedule being made for 30 teams. Or maybe I should have tried just 24 teams before re-organizing conferences and divisions

Any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Post by **archibalduk** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:18 pm

yojimbo1111 - I was able to tweak my 1990/91 structure into the correct 1992/93 NHL structure pretty easily and have added the real life 1992/93 schedule. If you email your current copy of the database to me (archibalduk AT gmail DOT com) then I will import the structure for you.

yojimbo1111 · Post by **yojimbo1111** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:54 am

Thank you! I sent my current db. Another question I have is can OT/L and Ties or OT/W and W be grouped in a league with ties? Just to tidy things up in the records and standings with the EHM Editor. Or is that ingrained in the game?

Post by **archibalduk** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:19 pm

I will take a look and let you know. I was hoping to do it by mid-week but I've been stuck working 12 hours stints at work. So it might not be until Saturday now.

yojimbo1111 · Post by **yojimbo1111** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:49 am

Take your time, work comes first. I am in no rush.

Post by **archibalduk** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:21 pm

I have emailed it back to you.

Post by **ppaalloo** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:13 pm

Any news?

m4ch1n13d351r3 · Post by **m4ch1n13d351r3** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:10 pm

Hi, I am very interested in the 24 team version of this database -- I'm looking to obtain a copy so I can do some tinkering of my own. If archibald or yojimbro has a copy they would be willing to post or email to me privately, I would be very grateful.

Thanks in advance.

Post by **archibalduk** » Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:52 am

I don't want to step on the toes of yojimbo1111 which is why I haven't uploaded it to date. However, he hasn't visited the forum since December which suggests that this might have been abandoned. In which case, I'll upload it this weekend unless I hear from him.

m4ch1n13d351r3 · Post by **m4ch1n13d351r3** » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:31 am

That's super news, thanks. If they do show up again, I'd be happy to share data with them. Or anyone else, for that matter.

This season marks among the most compelling and memorable in NHL history and it's about time that EHM had a detailed db for it, I think.

m4ch1n13d351r3 · Post by **m4ch1n13d351r3** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:49 am

Brief update -- I have almost finished re-rating player attributes. There was a fair bit of work to be done here. I'll not soon forget the shock of opening Bobby Dollas' entry and seeing "Wrist shot: 17"

. I'm only 23, and have relied on YouTube, old newspaper and magazine articles, and my father's testimony (he's a sportswriter who was on an NHL beat for large parts of the 90s and 00s. No prizes for guessing who

).

Thinking as well of opening up a thread on HFBoards' History of Hockey section to accumulate information so these ratings can be as accurate as possible. If anyone has feedback about certain players' roles/ratings, by all means pass them along. I'd love for this to become a community database project.

As soon as arch posts the 24 team version of the DB, I'll merge the attributes into that DB and touch up the rosters. Then probably prospect re-rating/adding. Ideally, I'd like to add all prospects up to the present, but that might take some time to accomplish.

After that would come player histories and staff. To be honest, I'm less motivated to do these tasks, but they will get done eventually.

Post by **archibalduk** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:59 am

Excellent - I'm glad to see somebody carrying on this database. I lost my Internet connection yesterday but it's now back online so I'll upload this evening.

Post by **archibalduk** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:44 pm

m4ch1n13d351r3 - I have added a link to the latest version (version 0.80) in the first post of this thread ^

I have a few research materials in spreadsheets which I can forward to you if you like. Drop me an email to archibalduk AT gmail DOT com and I'll send them to you.

m4ch1n13d351r3 · Post by **m4ch1n13d351r3** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:19 pm

Brilliant. Downloaded.

Off of the top of your head, would there be a way to merge the attribute changes I've made in the 30 team version into the 24 team one without reverting the league structure? I haven't tried this yet but I'm guessing this would be very tricky to do given that an export sheet of players/non-players from the old DB would include the player's club....

Post by **archibalduk** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:43 pm

Yes you can export player attribute data from your DB using the Export Spreadsheet function in the Editor. Make sure you tick the Use Research Sheet option when exporting. You'll then need to delete all extraneous data from the spreadsheet so that you're just left with the relevant players'/non-players' names, dates of birth and attributes. You can then import the spreadsheet into the other DB. Let me know if you're not sure and I'll post step by step instructions.

m4ch1n13d351r3 · Post by **m4ch1n13d351r3** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:04 pm

Okay, awesome, I wasn't sure if the editor would be so accommodating or whether it would demand the full template but you did a good job then.

Post by **archibalduk** » Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:51 am

The Editor requires all of the columns to be present but you can just leave them blank.

m4ch1n13d351r3 · Post by **m4ch1n13d351r3** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:39 pm

I've opened a thread on the History of Hockey board on HFBoards to see if any of the (by and large very knowledgeable and insightful) posters on that board would be willing to share some of their expertise to polish the database. We will see if that catches any traction.

In the meantime, I'm going to keep watching old games and highlights packages, reading scouting reports, and picking my pops' brain. The most proximate focus is getting the NHL players refined for the first three or four seasons. As soon as I've finished the edits and done some testing, I'll post an updated version.

Post by **archibalduk** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:25 am

Excellent!

If you need any roster lists or histories then just drop me an email.

Post by **nino33** » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:54 pm

Glad to hear of another retro roster being worked on

m4ch1n13d351r3 wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:49 amAfter that would come player histories and staff. To be honest, I'm less motivated to do these tasks, but they will get done eventually.

When you get to this stage, if needed I can provide at the least a list of names/jobs for NHL Staff (and some other leagues too).

Once the Editor allows for the exporting/importing of League/Team Records I can help with these too if you'd like.

I've got 1992-93 Guides for the NHL, AHL, IHL, USHL, WHL and OHL (plus a couple hockey pool guides with player profiles and lines/PP units).

m4ch1n13d351r3 · Post by **m4ch1n13d351r3** » Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:59 am

archibalduk wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:25 am If you need any roster lists or histories then just drop me an email.

What you have sent already has proven to be a godsend and has saved me the time of writing a scraper to use on hockey-reference or hockeydb. Thanks mucho!

nino33 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:54 pm Glad to hear of another retro roster being worked on

No one can fill a Nino-sized void alone but someone has to try...

Best of luck in continuing your 75 roster and, as I'm starting to grow fascinated by Czech and Soviet hockey from 60s-80s, maybe we can talk players when the time comes?

nino33 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:54 pm When you get to this stage, if needed I can provide at the least a list of names/jobs for NHL Staff (and some other leagues too).

If it's not too much of a hassle for you, this would be very much appreciated. I would estimate that implementing these is probably 4-6 weeks away, so no rush.

nino33 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:54 pm Once the Editor allows for the exporting/importing of League/Team Records I can help with these too if you'd like.

Thinking I can handle this one on my own but if any complications come up then I'll be sure to ask.

nino33 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:54 pm I've got 1992-93 Guides for the NHL, AHL, IHL, USHL, WHL and OHL (plus a couple hockey pool guides with player profiles and lines/PP units).

This...would be mega! I've discovered that a journalist named Frank Brown and a broadcaster called Sherry Ross put out scouting report guides from this era that I am very keen to get my hands on, but as I'm living out of a caravan traveling the American West at the moment, I don't have an address to ship them to, and can't seem to source any digital copies. So any substitute materials would honestly be so helpful.

Thanks once more to both of you for your willingness to help.

Post by **nino33** » Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:57 am

Thanks for the kind words, here and on HFBoards

Yeah, the Hockey Scouting Report books are great!
I've got one by Michael A. Berger (1990-91) and three by Ross (1993-94, 1997-98 and 1998-99)