2023 Pivot/TBL Database Feedback Results

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I want to start by thanking the 124 people who took time out to respond to the survey over the past week and provided some much-needed feedback for the direction of both database projects. The overwhelming theme of the feedback is clear, the community focuses on playing the NHL and the top leagues in Europe, thus I will be greatly scaling down the database's playable leagues and re-scaling the database closer to that of the default database which ships with the game.

Personally, this is what I expected, and hoped for, the trends were consistent from the 25 people selected for early-feedback and testing of the survey through the final 124th respondent, the community is pretty consistent with what they play and what they want to see in the projects. This passion project has grown due to the amount of help I have received over the years, that help has come and gone and without researchers dedicated to maintaining some leagues they will have to be cut, especially if the community isn't playing them.

This does not mean I will be removing leagues from the database, but if they are non-playable they likely will not be as updated or complete. I will have much less time this summer to dedicate to the project so this rescaling effort will allow me to continue to support the core of the database moving forward. I will not be condensing leagues and will aim to still have complete and detailed history data.

Again, I continue to do this due to the support I receive from this small but passionate community. I hope development on EHM continues and I will continue to push hard for that!

Let's get into the results!

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The community is clearly split on what to do about promotion/relegation, this question answers itself further in the results due to other changes coming to the database.

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Per these results the FPHL, USPHL and NA3HL will be removed from human-playability.

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For new leagues I was mostly interested to see what the community would like to see potentially in the future, I think Minnesota HS hockey would be a fun place to start a GM career and we have never attempted a high school league as a starting point so this will be considered for 2023-24.

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I was really happy to see this result personally, expect a much faster sim startup with future transfers being removed, we will make sure with the rescale that players actively complete transfers to colleges. This saves me a ton of time keeping these updated. I will also make sure CHL rights are assigned to college preference players for human GM flexibility.

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Not a shocker here, the CHL leagues are incredibly popular and core to the game. However, I will be removing the following from human-playability in 2023-24: LNAH, SJHL, MAJHL, MJHL, QJHL, NOJHL, CCHL, SIJHL, GOJHL and USports.

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USports transfers will also be eliminated, there was never a lot of these but just one less thing to keep on top of.

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This was a pretty surprising result for me, I thought having U18 AAA starting points for a GM career would have been more popular.

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This was insightful, it was good to see these international tournaments are appreciated by the community. I will be removing the Asian Winter Games, Southeast Asian Winter Games and NaturEnergie Challenge.

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Now we get into the European leagues, no surprise here with the popularity of the top 2 Swedish leagues, however I may consider removing HockeyEttan as playable, I haven't made my final decision here but its a giant league to keep updated, but I know these teams are important to some of you.

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For new leagues in Sweden I was mostly posing this question to gain general interest, no new leagues will be added as playable at this time.

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The British and Scottish EHM community contains some of my favorite people! I love your passion and growth of the game locally, however it's tough for me to keep these leagues updated due to limited/incomplete data on EP. We still have a dedicated researcher and will keep EIHL only going forward.

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No surprise here in the general popularity of the Finnish leagues, despite us never having a dedicated researcher! I will be removing Suomi-Sarja and U20 Mestis for now,

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Again just looking for general interest here, no new leagues will be added as playable.

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The Slovak community is always looking to help but based on how little the lower and junior leagues are played I can't commit the time to keep these updated. I will keep the top-two leagues only going forward as playable.

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For Russia I'll be removing the PVHL and NMHL from human playability.

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Russian U18 will not be added as playable.

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For Germany I will be removing Oberliga as being playable, despite Nachwacs Liga (U20) not being too popular I will keep it as playable.

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No new German leagues will be added as human playable.

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Trends continue, the top 2 leagues and juniors are most popular, 2.Liga will be removed from human playability.

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No new Czech leagues will be added as human playable.

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Similar trends here in Switzerland, MyHL will be removed as human playable.

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No new leagues will be added as human playable

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I plan on making no changes to Austria

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Last question, for the rest of the world I will only keep the following leagues: Danish Metal Ligaen, French Magnus, Latvian Optibet, Norwegian Fjordkraft-ligaen, Polska Hokej Liga, and Slovenian IHL, the rest will be removed from human playability.

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Hope the community finds this helpful and thank you again for the feedback!
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Thank you for your work with the game. I play it every day.

Even if the interest in Swedish Hockeyettan and Hockeytvåan is a little lower:

is it possible to make these leagues playable and to fix the rosters yourself in the editor?
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Yes you absolutely can. Making the leagues playable is a little bit of work but you should be able to transfer them over and indeed we're looking to upload copies of the structures (which can then be reimported) in the near future. Of course adding playable leagues yourself does risk instability if done incorrectly but I assume you are fine with this.
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Where can I find a facepack for the current season 2022/2023?
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Sad to see that no new Swedish leagues will be added. I hoped that I would be able to do my dream challenge "HockeyFyran to SHL". All the junior leagues would be awesome too. :/
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All CHL teams need affiliates (probably best for the game if they are Jr.B in the W & Q) to prevent teams from signing and releasing players all the time.

Also Winnipeg Ice moved to Wetanche Washington or something
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Javs wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:59 am All CHL teams need affiliates (probably best for the game if they are Jr.B in the W & Q) to prevent teams from signing and releasing players all the time.
We did this for the USHL even though those affiliates aren't realistic. I'm open to doing this for the CHL leagues, if you can PM me and give me some ideas and want to map the teams I'll implement it!
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Kraftan wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 11:32 pm Sad to see that no new Swedish leagues will be added. I hoped that I would be able to do my dream challenge "HockeyFyran to SHL". All the junior leagues would be awesome too.
It's not completely off the table but its driven by overall player demand. That's a big complicated league like Ettan for me to keep updated. If I have dedicated researchers for it to just help with staff and updates I'd be much more open to it.
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xECK29x wrote: Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:53 am
Kraftan wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 11:32 pm Sad to see that no new Swedish leagues will be added. I hoped that I would be able to do my dream challenge "HockeyFyran to SHL". All the junior leagues would be awesome too.
It's not completely off the table but its driven by overall player demand. That's a big complicated league like Ettan for me to keep updated. If I have dedicated researchers for it to just help with staff and updates I'd be much more open to it.
Is it just roster update for all teams or is it also attributes for all players you need help with? Would love to help but I'm not really sure if I have the time to do it at the moment. Would it be possible sometime if you just created the leagues so everyone could download the files and import them yourself?
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Kraftan wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:28 pm Is it just roster update for all teams or is it also attributes for all players you need help with? Would love to help but I'm not really sure if I have the time to do it at the moment. Would it be possible sometime if you just created the leagues so everyone could download the files and import them yourself?
We have tools that can pull data from eliteprospects.com but its more so the detail work. Also I think being its such a low reputation it might not be much fun to play at all.
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