Has anyone else noticed the icing bug?

[Tasku]

... it's really driving me mad!

I can't even enjoy the game anymore, cause I keep seeing these shots from The Blue Line or well pass the red line, getting falsely called as icing!

I've been bit*hing and moaning about it at the SI forums, but they just don't reply to it. I didn't even notice them earlier, but now that I do notice them, it's really ruining the game for me.

Almost seems, as if I'm the only one with that bug (although I did get two people replying to my original post at SI forums, that they also had the bug), because they seem to be totally ignoring me on this, like I was some crazy old war veteran, mumbling pointlessly...


Well, okay he doesn't have to be a war veteran, but old atleast...

Or crazy, if not old...

Atleast a little bit crazy. Doesn't have to be hearing voices - kinda crazy, but a little crazy nevertheless...

Mumbling is also optional, at times he might also be speaking out loud...

You know...

[Konstantinov16]

Yep, I've noticed it. I thought it was... rather not cool.

[hluraven]

I only occasionally notice "wrong" icing calls, but I certainly notice "wrong" offside calls a lot as well. I guess it's one of those things they will not fix for this version, but hopefully when the 2D improves for the next it will be fixed/more obvious

[Tasku]

Haven't seen offsides getting called falsely, but that icing thing's really annoying. Most of my icing calls are not icing, but just players dumping the puck to the boards.

It's so uncool, and really should be fixed. I don't wanna wait till next summer to get it fixed by a new game...

[AlexCobra]

Just don't use 2D mode. I never used it and never regret about it. I think text mode is enough informative and I got enough imagination to picture out the details myself. Btw I think it's still too stupid.

Alex.

[Octavian]

I also don't use the 2D view. I'm more a statistics man. I love to spend hours looking on stats . When I'm playing a match, I just want to finish it as fast as possible to get the score. Afterwards I can change tactics and such.

I didn't noctice to bug :-s

[Tasku]

I watch the whole game, so I see it all the time.

I think, if you go thru the games too fast, it feels as if it never happened or something like that. Hockey season is a long stretch, it doesn't go past in a few weeks, so I like to concentrate on every game individually, as they do in real life too. So that's why I like to watch the games. It's good they made the game suitable for all needs though, so we can play how ever we like.

[Minstrel]

I wonder if this is a display bug or a game engine bug...

Does the game engine determine that a player has iced the puck but the display then just shows it on the tactical view incorrectly? Or is it being displayed correctly but the match engine is incorrectly making the icing calls?

My guess is it is a display bug and not affecting the actual game results, it just looks screwey. If the game was incorrectly determining icing I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't have caught that.

[Tasku]

I think it's a game engine bug, because most of the time the bug appears, when another guy passes the puck accross the red line to a teammate, who then shoots it in to the end boards, causing icing. There's no icing call if the puck is carried accross the red line and then shot to the end boards. It's as if, the game engine doesn't have time to see that it was shot to the boards by the guy who was well accross the line, and not by the guy who passed it to him.

I think they're ignoring me / anyone speaking of it, because they are aware of the bug, but don't want to comment, or make it more visible because of the upcoming NA release. They prolly won't fix it until EHM 2006.

[marc420]

I coach all my own games ... or at least as much as the game will let given the game engine pretty routinely ignores my instructions.

So yes, I see this all the time.

And I also notice that a "real" icing, that is someone deep in the defensive zone just winging the puck down the ice to clear pressure from the other team doesn't happen very often at all. I think I saw it once and was so surprised by it that it was very noticeable.

Personally, I couldn't possibly follow the game from the text alone. Mainly because the pbp is so weak. One of reasons I gave up on last year's version was because the pbp never tells you enough to actually know what's happening. An example, from the pbp, you don't have a clue as to what defense the opposition is playing. And even while watching the pbp and the 2d, there are times when the two make no sense together. An example is all of those "advancing with the puck" message that you get when the player is going nowhere, instead he's waiting outside the blueline waiting for people to get onside. Be nice if the pbp just said, "he's waiting for his team to get on side". Or maybe gave some reason why the defenders are also just standing around watching this guy sit just outside and do nothing while his teammates get onside. I don't think I've ever seen the defense to hit some guy who just standing there doing nothing while his team gets onside.

The 2D is still really annoying at times. At times its like watching a bunch of movie clips that are very badly edited together. One "scene" doesn't seem to have to begin where the last "scene" ended. Instead there's just this sudden jump and the puck that was last seen lose as a rebound the goalie couldn't control magically reappears 150 ft down the ice.

But generally, I wouldn't be able to follow the game at all if it wasn't for the half-baked 2-d engine that they deemed acceptable for this release.

But yeah, I see this icing thing all the time. Kinda amazed it got past all the testing, but then again these guys don't seem hesitant at all to put out half-finished stuff and tell people to buy it.

[Tasku]

Yeah, the icing bug is annoying, and the 2D view is unfinished, but you shouldn't be too harsh, afterall they only have two programmers and one database handler on the EHM department and they're working mad hours on it. Atleast that's what they said at the SI forums.

Welcome to the forums! Nice to have another quality poster onboard.

[Minstrel]

Kinda amazed it got past all the testing, but then again these guys don't seem hesitant at all to put out half-finished stuff and tell people to buy it.

They don't put out half-finished stuff; that's your taking a feature you are unhappy with and then declaring the entire product a half-assed throw-together unworthy of buying. That is an inaccurate statement.

Claiming this is the norm of how they deal with their products is also inaccurate. If you think the SI guys put out things and then walk away you aren't aware of or are disregarding the amount of involvement they have with people on their boards and the effort they put into the continuing development and patching they do for the game.

This is a simulation game not EA NHL 2006; so yes the play by play and game's graphic display aren't as polished as the rest of the game. We still don't know for sure if the icing bug actually affects games or if it is just affecting the way the game displays those events either.

This is a game created and coded in essence by a two person team so they can't make everything amazing instantly. Lack of highly polished features does not equal a product that the guys don't care about and release half-finished.

[Tasku]

They've made some adjustments on the game engine on the new patch, and this doesn't happen as often as it used to. Although I still see it occasionally.

Nice!

[Minstrel]

Another example of how SI just makes their games, presses the CDs and comes back a week before the next version eh? :rolleyes: