TBL:DB Data Issues (i.e. data mistakes and omissions)

Post by **archibalduk** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:25 am

Please use this thread to report any data issues you have found in TBL:DB. By "data issues" I mean any mistakes, omissions, etc. regarding the database.

This is NOT the thread to discuss any problems you have installing the database or if you have encountered an error, etc. (please visit http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/tbldb instead).

Post by **batdad** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:32 pm

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject:

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Many thanks to Devils88!
Excellent work! No words to express my appreciation for that...
Only one single question about mister Patrik. It seems like Caps have two of them..

WASHINGTON CAPITALS
xxx Carl Price = Justin Mrazek
xxx Pat Patrick = Sasha Pokulok
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xxx Pat Patrick - Joe Finley

Thanks in advance.

Mod note: Moved this here and deleted CrockerNHL's original post in the site news forum, so that this would be in the correct place.

I am not sure about this one...Devils can address it better so when he gets a chance he will. Do you mean there are two "faked" Pat Patricks or two "real" Pat Patricks in the TBL:DB?

Thanks

CrockerNHL · Post by **CrockerNHL** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:57 pm

In my game I have both S.Pokulok and P.Patrick. Assuming that "faked" Mr.Patrick is a "real" Joe Finley, just thinking about a probability of generating two certain names in one team....

Mathematically, there is not much probability of that to happen.

. Maybe next game I'll start there will be Joe Finley and P.Patrick(as "faked" S.Pokulok) there. And what if CPU decides to generate both Patricks???

Game CRASH

Just curios.....

Post by **batdad** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:09 pm

Pulled up a fresh game....Just to see with TBL:DB v1.0....There is no Pat Patrick and both Finley and Pokulok appear correct on first glance as unsigned Caps prospects.

Oh and I also notice: Semen Varlamov in the game. However, in real life based on his recent signing in Washington he is known as SIMEON Varlamov. Cannot say I blame him...I know that SEMEN has been his name all the way through from the original EHM Database as he is not faked, but we may want to look at changing the name to be kind to the poor fellow.

Devils88 · Post by **Devils88** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:10 am

Just a copy and paste miss from my side. Sorry.
Pokoluk is not faked in the original db.
so pat patrick = joe finley. (adjusted this in the Knowledgebase also)

if you start a game with the tbl:db you have both pokoluk and finley and no patrick.

VARLAMOV: Semen is his original russian forename. even on the caps page they call him different. simeon in the news articles and semen in their player profiles
Caps Varlamov Profile

So i took his origin russian name.

DaleHawerchuk · Post by **DaleHawerchuk** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:41 pm

Great work Devils88. Just a small thing I noticed that you didn´t add Pat Kanes Stats from USNDTP. I´ll post them here if anyone is interested in adding them themselves with the pregame editor. I haven´t checked if there is anyone elses stats that´s missing. Once again great work.

2005-2006 GP 58 G 52 ASS 50 PTS 102 PIM 22
2004-2005 GP 63 G 32 ASS 38 PTS 70 PIM 16

D88: Thanks for pointing that out. Added Stats for next Version of release.

Post by **batdad** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:14 pm

Cool on Varlamov Devlis. I was just wondering...cause you know...poor guy.

ElQuapo · Post by **ElQuapo** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:05 pm

Hi Devils88.

I noticed a quite large issue with the database.

In the "extra_config.cfg" file, the US College commitments have not been changed to reflect the now unfaked College names. This results in the players not going to these colleges in the game.

Example :

# US College commitments 2007/2008
#
"FUTURE_TRANSFER" "Cam" "Atkinson" "Avon Old Farms Winged Beavers" "Boston College" 1 7 2008 0 1500 4
"FUTURE_TRANSFER" "Jimmy" "Hayes" "U.S. National Development Team" "Boston College" 1 7 2008 0 1500 4
"FUTURE_TRANSFER" "Barry" "Almeida" "New England Jr. Falcons" "Boston College" 1 7 2007 0 1500 4
"FUTURE_TRANSFER" "Ryan" "Hayes" "U.S. National Development Team" "Boston College" 1 7 2007 0 1500 4

You need to change "Boston College" to "Boston College Eagles" and so on for all the other Colleges.

And a small thing :
The "Berlin Ice Hall" which Eisbären are moving to is "O2 World".

D88: Thanks for pointing out that error. I'm doing an update at the moment and i will be ready for download soon. Cause it's only the extra_config.file it should be no problem.

Tank8290 · Post by **Tank8290** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:09 pm

I guess I never really look so much into these like everyone else does. I do not really notice the little things like this

thunderbug · Post by **thunderbug** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:05 am

Devils88, what starting point do the rosters use? I'm a little confused looking at the CHL rosters (central hockey league) I took a quick glance but found quite a few inconsistencies making me wonder what the cutoff date was. If you would like, since I know the CHL I can help piece it together. For example Colin Johnson never played for Memphis, he played the first 20 games in Wichita and was released. Martin did not play for Austin during the 2006-2007 season he was there the prior year. And if it turns out I'm the only one who plays the CHL I guess I'll just update my own copy.

D88: Hi Thunderbug. I haven't done anything in the CHL cause this League is not faked. The starting point of unfaked leaguerosters is begin of 2006/07 season. i've done roster updates for the UHL which was faked and their player rosters were really from 2004. needed to make many free agent moves and transfers to get them right. you can see all changes in the Knowledge Base . if the rosters are really that inaccurate in the chl we can connect, and update them as they should be at the beginning of 2006/07. although we can inplement them just for the next tbl:db 1.1 release version.

Post by **batdad** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:14 am

THunderbug--THe rosters were still the default rosters that the EHM game began with. No players have switched teams as of yet. Just names and leagues were unfaked. So all the players would still be assigned to the teams they were in SI's original database....just the names will have changed in some cases.

D88: i've done roster updates for the UHL which was faked and their player rosters were really from 2004/05. needed to make many free agent moves and transfers to get them right. (needed to do them cause there's a veteran limit and some teams would exist only of veterans if i haven't done them) you can see all changes in the Knowledge Base . also in the swiss nlb were many player moves but this league is not playable.
BUT NOTE: these player moves are til starting point of the game (begin 2006/2007)

thunderbug · Post by **thunderbug** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:21 pm

ah makes a bit more sense now.

thunderbug · Post by **thunderbug** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:36 am

Alright found a player in the Central Hockey League that was faked. I'm not sure why but Ken Mason from the Memphis Riverkings is actually Derek Landmesser. His stats are as follows (I didn't check to see if the actual stats were correct but noticed the teams were off. )

1996-97 Thunder Bay Thunder Cats CoHL 17 0 3 3 11 -- -- -- -- --
1997-98 Thunder Bay Thunder Cats UHL 73 2 19 21 80 5 1 1 2 2
1998-99 Thunder Bay Thunder Cats UHL 72 7 36 43 180 13 3 3 6 26
1998-99 Manitoba Moose IHL 1 0 0 0 0 -- -- -- -- --
1999-00 Rockford IceHogs UHL 55 10 27 37 95 3 1 4 5 4
1999-00 Manitoba Moose IHL 10 0 0 0 4 -- -- -- -- --
2000-01 Memphis Riverkings CHL 59 7 41 48 121 7 2 5 7 24
2001-02 Muskegon Fury UHL 74 20 44 64 48 17 4 11 15 18
2002-03 Memphis Riverkings CHL 63 13 44 57 151 14 1 9 10 28
2003-04 Memphis Riverkings CHL 64 7 48 55 83 -- -- -- -- --
2004-05 Memphis Riverkings CHL 59 10 56 66 102 -- -- -- -- --
2005-06 Memphis Riverkings CHL 62 17 64 81 125
2005-06 Toronto Marlies AHL 3 0 0 0 0
2006-07 Memphis Riverkings CHL 64 12 50 62 100 18 6 12 18 18

D88: You are right, thanks. changed that for next release. Strange, cause the CHL is not faked. Rosters are lousy but not faked.

Post by **getzlaf15** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:53 am

ive noticed that he's not in the TBL:DB? changed his name though, thanks Thunderbug

Saranis · Post by **Saranis** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:26 pm

Devils88 wrote:Just a copy and paste miss from my side. Sorry.
Pokoluk is not faked in the original db.
so pat patrick = joe finley. (adjusted this in the Knowledgebase also)

if you start a game with the tbl:db you have both pokoluk and finley and no patrick.

VARLAMOV: Semen is his original russian forename. even on the caps page they call him different. simeon in the news articles and semen in their player profiles
Caps Varlamov Profile

So i took his origin russian name.

The caps now have it as Simeon in their player profiles as well.

Saranis · Post by **Saranis** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:58 am

Not sure if this is changed or not in the DB as right now my comps acting weird and I cant check. I'll assume it isnt just cause its really out there.

Washington Little Capitals Play in 'Kettler Capitals Iceplex'. At the time of EHM being released they were playing in "The Gardens Ice House". Also Theres NO WAY it seats 1200 On average the website (HERE) says it can seat 800 with standing room for 2200 more (not a chance...)

Also their colors need to be changed to the new caps if thats being done in TBL:DB.

PS. While the game offers a Washington Little Capitals and there is such a team in real life, the game might also mean the Washington Junior Capitals (as the Little Capitals are in the Junior League) Their webstie can be found HERE. The Washington Little Capitals are a development team for the Junior Capitals.

Post by **batdad** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:24 am

D88...Doing research for the updated rosters noticed this:

Michael Bell....on Chicago roster. Undrafted defensemen who in the game played at Michigan State is actually a FAKED VERSION of

Jordan Hendry. Hendry hockeydb profile.

It is exact same stats, similar birthdates (year the same), same position, same height, similar weight.

There is no Michael Bell listed on Michigan State history...for any time, and not for the time this guy was to have played.

Michigan State hockey history stats

The stats in the game for Bell, are exactly the same numbers for Hendry in uni, just different universities for some reason.

Not sure if you can change this..but thought you would want to know.

D88: Thanks. Changed Name and updated Stats.

Post by **batdad** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:15 pm

Got another undrafted guy who is still faked.

Chris Conner

In EHM is:

Brian Murray playing for Iowa Stars. All same stats, just with wrong teams in College and AHL. Height/Weight pretty much dead on.

Just so ya know Devlis...finding this while working on the TBL ROSTER UPDATE...

D88: DONE, Thanks.

Post by **batdad** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:59 pm

Hmm..one I cannot locate for the life of me. I think he is faked in EHM still...just not sure where to find him.

Sean Bentivoglio

If anyone can find him...please do and respond here. Thanks

Devils88 · Post by **Devils88** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:31 pm

batdad wrote:Hmm..one I cannot locate for the life of me. I think he is faked in EHM still...just not sure where to find him.

Sean Bentivoglio

If anyone can find him...please do and respond here. Thanks

He played for Niagara of the CHA. Niagara has only 10 players on the EHM roster which i all unfaked. so i think he is not in the game . btw, many teams from college hockey america and atlantic college hockey have only a few players in the game.

here are the niagara players in the game:
NIAGARA
-------
Kyle Currie =Dan Sullivan 26.4.1987
Cory Curtis =Scott Mollison 22.4.1986
Dylan Harrison =Les Reaney 8.7.1984
Byron Laperriere =Vince Rocco 26.6.1987
Derek Lynch =Juliano Pagliero 8.4.1984
Craig Ryan =Cliff Ketchen 23.5.1984
Mike Gates =Chris Moran 18.4.1987
Ryan Paige =Ted Cook 2.10.1984
Dennis Perrault =Tim Madsen 14.8.1984
Chad Thomas =Kyle Rogers 20.12.1984

Post by **batdad** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:40 pm

Yeah I had the Niagara and checked em all out. Was wondering if he may be faked as much as the other one up top I found...Jordan Hendry..where nothing makes any sense, cept size, stats, birth year...cause was in the wrong college. I don't know, but not really that important I guess.

Devils88 · Post by **Devils88** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:08 pm

batdad wrote:Yeah I had the Niagara and checked em all out. Was wondering if he may be faked as much as the other one up top I found...Jordan Hendry..where nothing makes any sense, cept size, stats, birth year...cause was in the wrong college. I don't know, but not really that important I guess.

Yeah, that's the problem with the undrafted college players.
not on the nhl rosters where only unsigned but drafted players are, and not on the college rosters anymore. so i think you may find some others in the free agents ranks who were not unfaked.

Post by **batdad** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:43 pm

Yep. And Devils..do not miss Chris Conner above when you get a chance.

Post by **batdad** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:42 pm

Another one.

EHM's Ryan Graham with the Toronto Maple Leafs is really Alex Foster

Got lucky on another one.

D88: DONE, Thanks.

Post by **batdad** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:46 am

Another Leaf:

Jaime Sifers...in EHM is George Cook...a UFA no team, dob 1/26/83

I found this one cause I did a player search and checked off American, between ages 22 and 24, defense, right handed...ugh...5 pages and dude was on page 4.

D88: DONE, Thanks.