The Official TBL Practice Thread

matt44 · Post by **matt44** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:45 am

batdad wrote:What post?

The original 3 INT, 3 MEDs practice post with all the in depth info of how to run the schedule.

If it can all be found it should be stickied.

Post by **batdad** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:56 pm

I am just curious. Can anyone figure out anything on their own anymore in this society? Or does it always have to be handed to them. So many people don't bother trying anything on their own, they just want to have it handed to them.

So...3 INT 3 MED...hmm...there are how many practice schedules?

Sorry guys but TBL is not the place to come to be spoon fed. Try some things yourself. It really cannot be that hard.

I will give you one hint: IN all of those schemes that were around on sites: At least one of SKATING or CONDITIONING were a part of all practice scheds

And no the silver spoon answers won't be stickied. People can figure things out on their own.

matt44 · Post by **matt44** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:01 pm

batdad wrote:I am just curious. Can anyone figure out anything on their own anymore in this society? Or does it always have to be handed to them. So many people don't bother trying anything on their own, they just want to have it handed to them.

So...3 INT 3 MED...hmm...there are how many practice schedules?

Sorry guys but TBL is not the place to come to be spoon fed. Try some things yourself. It really cannot be that hard.

I will give you one hint: IN all of those schemes that were around on sites: At least one of SKATING or CONDITIONING were a part of all practice scheds

And no the silver spoon answers won't be stickied. People can figure things out on their own.

Woah easy tiger! I only asked if anyone had the original post of the practice schedule as it was very informative. I think if you are supposed to be a mod you need to calm down and stop being so rude to people. Its called wanting to learn from other peoples knowledge. Some people dont have the hockey knowledge that people born in Canada and have grown up with the sport do.

harmonica · Post by **harmonica** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:45 pm

matt44 wrote:
Woah easy tiger! I only asked if anyone had the original post of the practice schedule as it was very informative. I think if you are supposed to be a mod you need to calm down and stop being so rude to people. Its called wanting to learn from other peoples knowledge. Some people dont have the hockey knowledge that people born in Canada and have grown up with the sport do.

I have been a long time reader of these forums (shorter time being a member) and Batdad may come off as being harsh(its what happens when you get old

), but it is done out of love. Fair mods are hard to come by, even if they seem harsh, it honestly makes the forum a better place. The mods here are one of the main reasons this site is as good as it is.

It takes maybe 5 minutes to find what you are looking for, which is normally faster than waiting for a reply. It also helps you get familiar with the site. If you can't find it, just say so after you do a search or two, normally somebody will point you in the right direction.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:47 pm

matt44 wrote: Woah easy tiger! I only asked if anyone had the original post of the practice schedule as it was very informative. I think if you are supposed to be a mod you need to calm down and stop being so rude to people. Its called wanting to learn from other peoples knowledge. Some people dont have the hockey knowledge that people born in Canada and have grown up with the sport do.

He's not expecting you to just know this information. He's expecting you to try and do a search instead of posting and essentially asking someone else to find the info for you. You're a frequent offender when it comes to not doing a search before starting a new thread or just going to the end of a thread and asking for an answer, rather than reading the thread and find the answer for yourself.

If the original pages of that thread are no longer at the SI forums, it's highly unlikely that somebody saved those pages. I don't know about anybody else but I've never saved pages of conversation from a forum. Sure, somebody may have copied some of the basic info to a text files but they're not going to have 4 or 5 (very long) pages of conversation just sitting on their computer.

If you read through this thread you'll probably find a post where somebody gave the 3 INT 3 MED training setup. Most people tend to use that kind of training regimen. I'm certainly not going to re-read the entire thread to find the answer for you. If it's not here, I can't imagine there are that many possible combinations of training intensities that you'd have to try to figure out on your own (which is also what Batdad was getting at).

matt44 · Post by **matt44** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:09 pm

bruins72 wrote:
matt44 wrote: Woah easy tiger! I only asked if anyone had the original post of the practice schedule as it was very informative. I think if you are supposed to be a mod you need to calm down and stop being so rude to people. Its called wanting to learn from other peoples knowledge. Some people dont have the hockey knowledge that people born in Canada and have grown up with the sport do.
He's not expecting you to just know this information. He's expecting you to try and do a search instead of posting and essentially asking someone else to find the info for you. You're a frequent offender when it comes to not doing a search before starting a new thread or just going to the end of a thread and asking for an answer, rather than reading the thread and find the answer for yourself.

If the original pages of that thread are no longer at the SI forums, it's highly unlikely that somebody saved those pages. I don't know about anybody else but I've never saved pages of conversation from a forum. Sure, somebody may have copied some of the basic info to a text files but they're not going to have 4 or 5 (very long) pages of conversation just sitting on their computer.

If you read through this thread you'll probably find a post where somebody gave the 3 INT 3 MED training setup. Most people tend to use that kind of training regimen. I'm certainly not going to re-read the entire thread to find the answer for you. If it's not here, I can't imagine there are that many possible combinations of training intensities that you'd have to try to figure out on your own (which is also what Batdad was getting at).

Yes I have searched for the original thread. And I know what the setup is for that paricular schedule, what I was requesting is if anyone has the original post anywhere, in which the poster did a huge presentation about the system and I recall it had some useful information in it about not only the 3INTS method but also palyer progression etc.......

Post by **batdad** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:13 pm

Folks..I am not going to delete the post from Matt because I did not see it until others have posted. Enough with the whining about how modding is around here. it is tiresome. matt--You have been told 20 times if once how this place works. Figure it out.

As for practice regimes. Look around. there are tons of places here for info, and what 6 pages in this thread alone?...and really how hard is it to figure out the practice regimes on your own. I mean you can even change the names of them...they don't have to be the same for everyone.

Anyway I will give you the answer since this is the most serious game and it is life and death that we have this here. And we cannot waste time experimenting. Must make landon Wilson A first liner NOW!!

BTW I don't stick to this regime at all. And note...I have success in the game...Hmmm...I use it sometimes, but not all the time, as some players need different things. And no...I won't provide details, because well believe it or not to get maximum results even Henrik and Daniel need different things in practice. So it would take...well every player in the db to have their own regime expanded upon by me for you to get the info. Not gonna do that for all players.

The original almighty perfect practice regime which I absolutely guarantee works perfectly for every player: Absolutely no question about it. Use these slots in the right player and you will turn everyone into Bobby Orr, Mark Messier, gordie Howe, Mario Lemieux and Wayne Gretzky all rolled into one player. No question.

Conditioning: Intense Con, Intense Skating, Intense DSkill (others medium, save new position)

Skating: INtense Con, INtense Skating, INtense O Skills. (others medium)

O SKills: Intense Skating, Intense O Skills, INtense Shooting (others medium)

D Skills: INtense Skating Intense O Skills, Intense DSkills (others medium)

Tactics: Intense Cond, Intense DSkills, Intense Shooting (all others medium)

note: I have modified this one even when I use the Tactics practice regime for players. You can guess how.

Shooting: Intense Skating, INtense DSkills, INtense Shooting. (again all others medium) Again, I have modified this.

Point out one more time: I only use this regime for about 1/2 the year at most, depending on how my players attributes are changing.

And you know what? I even guess at what regime to start them in. Oh wow...Henrik skates ok, he has tons of stamina, he plays well with others, he passses exceptionally well, he cannot shoot worth a darn, and he is weak in his own zone. Gee wonder what regime I should try? I know...skating Hmm....

I try to find out what each player needs. Know how I do that? EXPERIMENTING on my own. Wow. I don't just take for gospel what some guy posted on SI forums 3 years ago after playing the game for 1 week as the solution. WOW! Wonder why? And who was this guy? Still posting? Still playing? I dunno...but he must be right. Noone could do it better than someone who played the game for a week. Wonder where he got the info. Must have been posted somewhere. Maybe in the slapshot tactic.

Oh and any more comments about modding around here, and there will be suspensions of priviliges. I would suggest at this point that if you have a beef with someone take it to PM. At which point it will either be solved or not.

And yeah, get used to me...I tell it how it is.

harmonica · Post by **harmonica** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:15 pm

And to be honest, the 3INT/3MED training program isn't that good. It is definitely a good starting point for new/newer players.

I am sure you can find some of my older posts, but here is a tip: make sure everyone trains goaltending!

Post by **batdad** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:17 pm

ACtually, I find training them on goaltending is a cheat. I don't think Riz and all made goaltending practice increase positioning so fast for players (non goalies) on purpose. I think it just fluked that way, and is just another way to exploit the game.

/Grumpy old jerkfacetoad.

harmonica · Post by **harmonica** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:23 pm

darn grumpy old man!

I totally agree that it rises faster than I think it should for non-goaltenders, but is there any other way to bump up positioning?

Also, I would like to add that players who are getting shorter ice time can take on more practice. The amount of fatigue in this game is another area which can be exploited because forwards playing almost upwards of 30 minutes a game(in the NHL) is pretty much not possible in real life.

Post by **batdad** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:26 pm

D skill practice with a good coach helps too. In fact it is what D Skills are designed for.

Yes those with less ice time (mostly 3rd and 4th liners) can go on all intense in fact for most of the time, but they do run the risk of being injured in practice. Also, with some of the younger ones it may not help them all that much. Depends on whether they have a good attitude or not.

Oh, and harmonica--I hate to disappoint you, but it ain't love I Do it out of. Just grumpy oldness.

harmonica · Post by **harmonica** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:28 pm

batdad wrote:Oh, and harmonica--I hate to disappoint you, but it ain't love I Do it out of. Just grumpy oldness.

I'm just trying to make you look less grumpy to newer posters!

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:41 pm

I have to admit, I use the INTENSE goaltending training in my practice. I've found that positional just didn't improve enough by only using def skills. I'm sure it wasn't intended for it to work like this but I think the defensive training was a bit flawed to begin with.

harmonica · Post by **harmonica** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:46 pm

Which could be the reason positioning goes up so quickly because two types of training feed it.

Post by **batdad** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:52 pm

Possibly the case. I used to use it, but stopped just cause I was thinking: What? So is (to give an example) Taylor Pyatt really putting on the pads in practice? What about Mason Raymond? And how does having 18 guys strap on the pads affect my goalie development? Is Cory getting any time back there?

Don't know the answer to this, and likely never will. I have noticed that during the summer when I put the guys in the goaltending training, that my goalies positioning does not go up as fast as the other guys though. So I stopped doing it.

6 of one 1/2 dozen of the other. I just don't like the image of my star forward putting on the pads.

Hey....maybe I should train a goalie to be a RW, and then increase all his atttributes to 100, and then sign him to the St Lou........Sorry got mixed up there and forgot who I was...age you know.

harmonica · Post by **harmonica** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:57 pm

Batdad, do you assume your goalies are doing the "same" when they practice Offensive?

Post by **batdad** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:03 pm

Yep. But they are just in sweat suits and skating...heh. No...I don't...I assume they are working on their puck control and passing, just like a good goalie should. But I am yet to hear of a F or Dman who has to be able to go post to post, or work on going up and down, or controlling his rebounds, or cut down the right angle on a shooter, or...welll you get the point.

Phareux · Post by **Phareux** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:01 pm

it was an old post by malhotra44 on one of the SI sites about how to set three catagories of practice to med and the others to Intense or none to get the max training benefit. it also gave a brief description of the skills the coaches needed to be good in for the practices to do the most good.

Post by **batdad** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:33 pm

Yeah I recall the post, and thought: Wow! This guy must be playing the game 24/7 for the whole month it has been out to have such a perfect regime for dealing with the guys in practice. I am sure he is the EHM guru he made himself out to be.

Out of curiosity though...anyone actually think that it works better than anything else? Doubt it does. There is no one size fits all...that is what makes this game so replayable and so fun. And in one game Sedin may jump up with Dskills practice, but with another it may be shooting.

Like was said above...just a starting point. THe only way to get it right is to experiment on your own.

Phareux · Post by **Phareux** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:53 pm

i have found the entire post about the practice regime, if anyone would like it.

mike

Post by **batdad** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:40 pm

Just link it here.

Phareux · Post by **Phareux** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:03 pm

well is saved as a web page, but the page is nolonger available on the web but when i call it up this is what is on the web address. C:\Program Files\NHL Eastside Hockey Manager 2007\EHM 2007 THE BLUE LINE\Repost of good practice outline.mht

Post by **joehelmer** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:44 pm

Can't you just copy the text in it and post it here?

matt44 · Post by **matt44** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:00 pm

Its about 5 or 6 pages long so dont think it would fit.

Franck · Post by **Franck** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:00 am

Phareux wrote:well is saved as a web page, but the page is nolonger available on the web but when i call it up this is what is on the web address. C:\Program Files\NHL Eastside Hockey Manager 2007\EHM 2007 THE BLUE LINE\Repost of good practice outline.mht

It's saved on your local drive, you'll need to either copy the text from it or upload the file that it is stored in to a website for anyone else to see it.