Player Attributes / Profile

dave1927p · Post by **dave1927p** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:38 pm

a couple things that would be great is to have is the players age by year in their stats page, and the ability to expand a league...actually if you check out wolverine studios website i have a thread of ideas...WARNING, there are alot of them and some got away from me...well, many did. But still some good ones if i don't say so myself

ootp has some great things to "borrow" and believe it or not, so does GM hockey 2009 although there are many things that should be avoided from there game.

I'd love to see a screenshot! Good luck, and keep us posted.

Season Age Team League GP - G - A - PTs- +/- ........ Captaincy
2006-07 25 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 64 52* 10 62 -12 ...... 'C'
2007-08 26 Detroit Red Wings NHL 82 16 34 50 14 .......'-'
2008-09 27 Detroit Red Wings NHL 76 24 24 48 5 ........'A'

*Led league
BOLDed columns mean league leader
BOLD Team Name = stanley cup win.

dave1927p · Post by **dave1927p** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:04 pm

Season------Age------Team----------------League-----GP----------G-------A-------PTs------+/------........Captaincy
2006-07------25---Toronto Maple Leafs----NHL--------64------52*------10-----62---------12---.....----. 'C'
2007-08------26---Detroit Red Wings------NHL---------82-----16--------34-------50-------14-----------......'-'
2008-09------27---Detroit Red Wings------NHL---------76------24-----24-----48-----------5-----........------'A'

* means team leader
BOLDnumber mean league leader
BOLD Team Name = stanley cup win.

that's what i'd like to see the stats pages say...

Post by **dabo** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:10 pm

Interesting ideas (haven't read all of them yet), will save them and see if/when I can implement some of them.

That stats layout should be doable, will keep it in mind.

Here's a screenshot of the player profile (Yes, I stole some ideas from FM

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When I made this design I thought about using a window size of 800x600 but I believe I have to use 1024x768 in order to fit everything. For example there is no room for a player photo atm even though the screenshot only shows a portion of the window. But again this is just some basic ideas I put together, the final version is expected to look somewhat like this unless you people hate it.

I will have more to show when I reach that point in the development once I have actually decided what to add and what not to.

Post by **B. Stinson** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:10 pm

darn, dabo, looking good.

I especially like the attribute "chart". I don't even bother looking at attributes anymore in FM - I just glance at the chart to get an overall idea of the player, and move on (it's more realistic than having a bunch of numbers, anyway). Which actually brings me to a very important note:

Please, please, please, please, please... I'm absolutely begging you on this one like I did with SI: can we have "Wizard Mode" back?

(For those unfamiliar with the freeware EHM, Wizard Mode is an option to hide player attributes - leaving your judgement of their ability to only stats, scouting reports, and luck). OOTP 10 also has a nice selection of options for this style of play.

And lastly, in regards to the player pictures: what if you used a small and simple picture like FM2007 had, and just had it overlay the Name, DoB, Nationality, Height, and Weight labels (with the top-left corner of the picture being maybe one or two pixels off-set inside the player info box)? I believe FM2007 did that, and with that particular information, there's really no need for it to be labeled - the information itself would be self-explanatory.

axwel3221 · Post by **axwel3221** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:18 pm

That looks AMAZING! We have found the swede regen of Remes.

Could you also make the name bar little bit bigger like in EHM and FM or other skins to the game. It still looks great, so do not get offended from noob telling you what to do.

Post by **CeeBee** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:48 pm

looking really good.

I like the look and layout

Post by **dabo** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 7:12 pm

@ B. Stinson

Hiding attributes should be no problems.

@ axwel3221

Yeah I could do that. And don't worry about offending me, I post here because I want your feedback. The earlier you tell me you want something the easier it is for me to add/change it.

Post by **B. Stinson** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 7:29 pm

By the way, dabo, a quick off-topic question just out of random curiosity...

What are you writing this in, Visual Studio 2005 or 2008... or maybe even 2010 Beta? Or not Visual Studio at all?

axwel3221 · Post by **axwel3221** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:41 pm

I find myself a noob in this thread, because I am no help with databases or programming.

But, no worries, I have ideas for interface if needed.

watts555 · Post by **watts555** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:00 pm

Looks good man. If you need any help with graphics I can possibly help with that.

Post by **dabo** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:36 pm

@ B. Stinson

Visual Studio 2008

@ watts555

Good to know, I will keep that in mind.

dave1927p · Post by **dave1927p** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:45 am

Wow! I'm really impressed- It looks fantastic. However, one thing that i think should be on the player page is a team logo.

how about an attribute for "confidence"? Or is that considered "morale"? If it is, it would be nice for it to go up and down for some players far more then others. Especially goalies...where they have up and down careers.

how customizable are you making your game?

Post by **Jypfan92** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:52 am

Can you make possible, that player/coach can die? They could die cause of cancer or somthing else. In EHM you can't die. It could happen very, very rarely, maybe once in 4 seasons.

Post by **McQwak** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:12 am

Jypfan92 wrote:Can you make possible, that player/coach can die? They could die cause of cancer or somthing else. In EHM you can't die. It could happen very, very rarely, maybe once in 4 seasons.

Then there should be something like "death proneness" for each staff/player

Post by **Jypfan92** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:02 am

McQwak wrote:
Jypfan92 wrote:Can you make possible, that player/coach can die? They could die cause of cancer or somthing else. In EHM you can't die. It could happen very, very rarely, maybe once in 4 seasons.
Then there should be something like "death proneness" for each staff/player

Maybe. Death should maybe be in injury list. But it should happen very rarely. I don't remember the name of that hockey manager name, but there players and coaches can die.

Post by **dabo** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:10 am

dave1927p wrote:Wow! I'm really impressed- It looks fantastic. However, one thing that i think should be on the player page is a team logo.

how about an attribute for "confidence"? Or is that considered "morale"? If it is, it would be nice for it to go up and down for some players far more then others. Especially goalies...where they have up and down careers.

how customizable are you making your game?

I think confidence is prerry much covered in the morale attribute.

I will try to write the player's name and team (including logo) in big letters somewhere in the new design; like EHM:NHL does.

Alessandro wrote:The only suggestion i can make here is: make the game as customizable as possible. Allow the move of the game's start, allow leagues' rules customization - at least a little bit.

I want to make as much as possible customizable but it makes the game more prone to errors.

Jypfan92 wrote:Can you make possible, that player/coach can die? They could die cause of cancer or somthing else. In EHM you can't die. It could happen very, very rarely, maybe once in 4 seasons.

I have actually been thinking of that.

Post by **B. Stinson** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:34 pm

I agree on the death thing. It seems to get asked every year on the FM forums, but it's always rejected for being over the top. Personally, I think as long as it's implemented properly, it would only add to the realism.

Also, dabo, what aspect are you mostly concentrating on right now? It'd probably be better if we were all focusing on the same thing as you are, rather than throwing around scattered ideas and requests...

TWolf · Post by **TWolf** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:56 pm

Looking good so far. My suggestion is to keep things single at start. No reason to try to create humongous databases before you come up with a solid foundation to build on. Take your time on figuring what attributes are important to the game and how they affect the way a player performs. Also coming up with a good player development cycle is important. I never liked the way SI used a regen system as it created superstars that rise to the top too fast and are generally speaking too ready for the big leagues in a young age.

Alessandro already pointed out that flexibility is the key here. However, as I stated already, get that foundation to base other parts of the instead of a chaos this and that glued together or so to say.

dave1927p · Post by **dave1927p** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:34 am

I always wished to have "Brother of _____" and/or "Son of _____" in EHMs player bios (or in any text-sim for that matter). Perhaps you could try putting that in here?

...And then one day take it a step further to "Brother of current Atlanta Thrasher Milan Michalek" and/or "Son of Hockey Hall of Famer Patrick Roy"

Post by **dabo** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:57 am

Good idea.

Post by **Jypfan92** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 3:55 pm

Can you make possible that player or coach can get arrested and go to jail? I just think cause Billy Tibbetts was 4 years in jail in late 90's.

Post by **dabo** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:34 pm

That's something for the future. For the first versions I am keeping it as simple as possible.

Post by **Danny** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:36 pm

Jypfan92 wrote:Can you make possible that player or coach can get arrested and go to jail?

dave1927p · Post by **dave1927p** » Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:47 am

Danny wrote:
Jypfan92 wrote:Can you make possible that player or coach can get arrested and go to jail?

don't forget about the owners lol

Are you planning on having a player "overall" like EAs games? If you plan on having it, please make the average in the mid to late 60s and the best players mid 80s to high 80s and the superelite low 90s - ohhhh, how i wish EA would do that with their ratings. If you don't have player overalls just ignore this post

Post by **dabo** » Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:32 am

No I will not because I think it is not interesting in a game like this. Personally I would rather go with a single radar chart and not show any particular attributes at all but you people would probably riot