ESPN TBL Fantasy Hockey 2009/10

[Manimal]

The three new teams for season 2 has no keepers. I think they at least should get the top draft picks, perhaps even have somewhat of an expansion draft.

[bruins72]

The three new teams for season 2 has no keepers. I think they at least should get the top draft picks, perhaps even have somewhat of an expansion draft.

Shouldn't the 3 new teams be able to choose keepers from the rosters they're taking over?

[Manimal]

The three new teams for season 2 has no keepers. I think they at least should get the top draft picks, perhaps even have somewhat of an expansion draft.

Shouldn't the 3 new teams be able to choose keepers from the rosters they're taking over?

I thought they'd be following their owners to div. II

[bruins72]

The three new teams for season 2 has no keepers. I think they at least should get the top draft picks, perhaps even have somewhat of an expansion draft.

Shouldn't the 3 new teams be able to choose keepers from the rosters they're taking over?

I thought they'd be following their owners to div. II

I don't think I like that idea. That's two different leagues. The second league was supposed to draft from the players left over after the first league picks it's keepers.

[batdad]

I have no problem either way. If those demoted get to keep their keepers I am all for it. if not, I am fine with that too.

The new teams should have an expansion draft of some kind once those of us who are all in keep their keepers. They should not however be allowed to pick all 6 slots filled by keepers..as they would then get the top picks in the real draft as well.

I see it this way:

Demoted teams: Get 3 of their keepers from this year (not 6). May have to do manually outside ESPN.
Promoted teams: Expansion draft: Get three picks each. May have to do manually. outside of ESPN..not sure.
Real draft: Three new teams pick first then the rest in order of standings of our 1st season.

This gives the demoted teams something, and gives the promoted teams a chance to pick 4 guys before the rest of us touch anyone. That is 12 guys that go before we get our shot and gives the new teams a chance next season. Also gives the VETS of the league a shot in the 2nd division or league. Gives both a chance to compete.

[B. Stinson]

Here's how I had envisioned it for this first off-season:

3 users from league 1 will be relegated to the waiting list. 3 users from the waiting list will be promoted to league 1. These moves will be officially announced at the end of the awards "ceremony" on 12 April. The three users promoted will now be in control of the full roster left behind by one of the three relegated teams. From these rosters, they will select their 6 keepers by a date to be determined (probably sometime early September 2010, two weeks before the start of the NHL regular season), as will everyone else in League 1.

Then, as the 2011 fantasy hockey season is starting up sometime in August, we will reactivate League 1 (if necessary), and at the same time, create a new league in the pyramid: League 2. This new league will consist of everyone on the waiting list, however many that ends up being (but no more than 14).

Then, the weekend before the NHL season begins, League 1 will have their 17-round draft (23 rounds minus the 6 already filled by keepers). League 2 will have their draft as well, which will be the full 23-round Inaugural draft... and of course, being restricted to picking anyone except the 84 keepers from League 1.

And finally, both leagues will begin play in early October, whenever the NHL officially begins. Then, next season when both leagues are in the "keeper routine", we'll be able to start having owners carry their keepers with them when they get promoted or relegated.

[bruins72]

That makes sense to me.

[corinthian]

I don't understand why making all this. Why not League2 be just a non keeper league. the winners takes control of the demoted teams from league1. Every season League2 will draft again entirely independent from League1.

[bruins72]

I guess that would simplify things.

[eric1985]

Just a shot in the dark here. We are all getting ties aren't we? If we are should make playoff race more interesting

[batdad]

Corinthians--It would be simpler, but I think we want some continuity moving from Leage 1 to league 2 etc...sort of like European soccer. We want guys to control and develop their own teams in keeper league format. If you jsut have 2 leagues the 2nd league guys who get promoted would have to drop everyone they have and move to the new league. I like the idea of having guys in the future work with their same teams just adding in to it.

[B. Stinson]

I don't understand why making all this. Why not League2 be just a non keeper league. the winners takes control of the demoted teams from league1. Every season League2 will draft again entirely independent from League1.

This would certainly be another way of doing it, and much simpler.

But like batadad said, having both leagues as a keeper league allows continuity between the leagues for some added fun. The best teams in League 2 will be able to take their League 2 winning keepers up to the next level to compete and develop in a higher league.

[Manimal]

Here's our olympic representation:

KILL - 10 S.Koivu,Kovalchuk,Hörnqvist,Callahan,Boyle,Keith,E.Staal,D.Brown,Brodeur,Kuba
BLAC - 10 Richards,Marleau,Iginla,Lidström,Seabrook,Salo,Morrow,Pavelski,Luongo,Quick
MUS - 9 Parise,M.Michalek,Selänne,Pronger,Gonchar,Backes,Kessel,Pitkänen,Niittymäki
SMIT - 8 Malkin,H.Sedin,Gaborik,Rafalski,Doughty,Heatley,Kubina,Bryzgalov
ABU - 8 Toews,M.Koivu,Ovechkin,Weber,Streit,Ehrhoff,Visnovsky,Kiprusoff
PHI - 8 J.Thornton,D.Sedin,Malone,Kane,Erat,Timonen,Hagman,Hiller
CHIL - 7 Kesler,Langenbrunner,Zidlicky,Markov,Whitney,Kaberle,Bäckström(G)
SCCP - 7 Bäckström,Plekanec,L.Eriksson,Hossa,Havlat,Enström,R.Miller
SUN - 7 Getzlaf,Stastny,Alfredsson,E.Johnson,Suter,Semin,Lundqvist
VIK - 7 Datsyuk,Nash,Ryan,Kronwall,Elias,Sturm,Vokoun
MARS - 6 Crosby,Perry,S.Niedermayer,Fleury,Halak,Varlamov
KENT - 4 T.Ruutu,Grebeshkov,Franzén,Thomas
BOST - 4 Chara,Öhlund,Bergeron,Nabokov
CAER - 3 O.Jokinen,Zetterberg,Pavelec

[Marsac]

Nice one Manimal, no wonder my team sucks.

[corinthian]

Stinson : I'm having trouble to understand all this. Maybe a example how it could work would be a good ideia. Take our last team in the League (Caerphilly), the promoted team would take all Caerphilly keepers? What kind of team would Caerphilly owner gets on league2?

[B. Stinson]

Stinson : I'm having trouble to understand all this. Maybe a example how it could work would be a good ideia. Take our last team in the League (Caerphilly), the promoted team would take all Caerphilly keepers? What kind of team would Caerphilly owner gets on league2?

I'll see if I can do a step-by-step rundown of what will happen:

- 4 April, our last games will be played in both the Relegation League and the playoffs. At this point, the season is over, and the standings are final with no more games to be played by anyone.

- 12 April, we will officially announce which three users who are being relegated to the waiting list, and which three are being promoted from the waiting list up to TBLHL.

- Also on 12 April, I will remove the users who have been relegated, and hopefully be able to send league invitations to those three who have been promoted.

- The invitations will be accepted (hopefully), and those three users will now have full access to the entire roster left-behind by each of the three relegated users.

- In August, when 2011 fantasy hockey is opening up for the new season, we will create a second league. This league will be made up of the six users on the waiting list at this point, plus any newcomers.

- Then, come a date sometime in September 2010, will be the keeper selection deadline for TBLHL. The three users who have been promoted back in April, will have had all summer to look at their inherited rosters, and decide on who they want to keep.

- Then, all rosters in TBLHL will be wiped clean for the new season, except for our six keepers. We'll then have the usual fantasy draft, which will be shortened by six rounds since we already have six players kept from last year.

- The following day, our new league will have their inaugural draft. This will of course be a full draft, since the teams are new and empty.

- Then, when the NHL season begins, both of our leagues begin.

- The following year will work exactly the same way as the above steps, except the users who get relegated will now be able to take their keepers with them to League 2, and the promoted users will take their keepers with them to TBLHL... of course with the restriction that they cannot be the same players who are picked as keepers by any TBLHL teams.

[corinthian]

Thanks Stinson!

Since the relegated team will take their keepers to league2 (2nd season) Nobody will be able to trade for Franzen or Nash If those players are part from a relegated team. Am I right?

[B. Stinson]

Thanks Stinson!

Since the relegated team will take their keepers to league2 (2nd season) Nobody will be able to trade for Franzen or Nash If those players are part from a relegated team. Am I right?

You're exactly right.

Starting with the next off-season, all League 1 teams will select their 6 keepers before a certain date in the off-season. Once this date arrives, all 84 players (6 keepers x 14 teams) kept in League 1 will be restricted from all League 2 teams. As a result, the League 2 keeper deadline will be one day after the League 1 deadline. This will give League 2 GM's a chance to review who they cannot have on their team for the coming year.

If a League 2 team already has any of these players on their roster, they will not be allowed to select them as a keeper, nor will any team be allowed to draft them for that year. In addition, I will veto any trades involving a restricted player. Before the League 1 deadline, however, League 2 teams are free to make any trade; They'll just have to be aware of who will likely become restricted for that year.

[corinthian]

How will work the waivers pool? I imagine that each league will be independent and only keepers will apply to the rules.
So if my team pick Afinogenov on waivers it doesn't matter if in league2 someone has him (as keeper or not) as long as in the end of the season I don't pick him as one of my keepers.

Anyway it seems good. Let's try this!

[B. Stinson]

How will work the waivers pool? I imagine that each league will be independent and only keepers will apply to the rules.
So if my team pick Afinogenov on waivers it doesn't matter if in league2 someone has him (as keeper or not) as long as in the end of the season I don't pick him as one of my keepers.

Anyway it seems good. Let's try this!

You're correct that you can pick-up Afinogenov. However, in your example it looks like you are assuming you're a League 1 team, in which case, you will have priority over League 2 when it comes to picking keepers (hence the reason we will have League 2 picking their keepers a day later - so they know who they can't pick). So in your example, at the end of the season, you as a League 1 team can pick Afinogenov as a keeper, and then League 2 teams will not be able to keep or draft him for the next year. If he's on a League 2 roster already, that team will simply not be allowed to pick him as a keeper, and he'll be released from the team when the rosters are cleared. And then the year after that, if you decide you don't want to keep Afinogenov again, he'll then become eligible for anyone in League 2.

Basically, I think it'll be a simple matter of there being 84 players kept (6 keepers x 14 teams) in League 1 going into each year, and these 84 players will not be eligible in League 2 for that year; Everyone else will be. So, if you're a League 2 team, just don't pick-up any of the 84 players who were most recently kept in League 1, and you'll be in good shape.

[Manimal]

Let's say one of my keepers really suck in season 2, so I decide to drop him during the season. Will he then be allowed to be picked up by a League Two team as a FA?

[B. Stinson]

Let's say one of my keepers really suck in season 2, so I decide to drop him during the season. Will he then be allowed to be picked up by a League Two team as a FA?

That's a good question. Maybe batdad already has this covered with his original idea, and could let us know what he thinks...?

And just a reminder: NHL action resumes tonight with Detroit playing in Colorado. So don't forget your lineups. We have only two weeks left in the TBLHL regular season, so every point counts!

Current qualifications:

[Q] - Qualified for playoffs.
[R] - Qualified for Relegation League.

1. [Q] Burnaby Black Ice : 18-2-0
2. [Q] The Mustangs : 16-4-0
3. [Q] Karlstad Killers : 15-5-0
4. [Q] Corinthians Red Army : 13-7-0
5. [Q] Vasteras Vikings : 13-7-0
6. [Q] Lake Alajarvi Bald Uakaris : 12-8-0
7. Chilliwack Marauders : 9-10-1
8. Philadelphia FHC : 8-12-0
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9. Marsac's Newbies : 8-12-0
10. Phaneuf Is Enough : 7-12-1
11. Chicago Sun Bears : 6-14-0
12. [R] Boston Irish : 5-15-0
13. [R] Kent Mighty Turnips : 5-15-0
14. [R] Cearphilly Saints: 4-16-0

[batdad]

I see no reason that they could not...we will have to cover that off though. Because he could become a keeper in theory for one of the league 1 teams as well. would have to be waiver style pick up? That player should be available to anyone, and common sense would dictate from weakest team to top team in terms of priority.

I would say any player that was kept from top league team after season 1, that gets dropped mid season 2, should become a keeper for the league 2 team that picks him up if he wishes to have as keeper. If not, the league 1 team that picks him up would be eligible to have him as keeper. But league 2 team should get priority.

I had not thought of that...what do you guys think of the above?

[B. Stinson]

I think that could work.

Basically, League 1 teams who drop one of their keepers will lose priority on him, allowing a League 2 team to keep him.

And once these ideas all get put into action next year, I'll create a post here at TBL that will keep track of these player restrictions for both leagues, so everyone will always be able to see who exactly they can't acquire or keep.

[batdad]

Yep. That is what I was thinking.