Lidas Rosters 2009/10 - Mistakes/Omissions/Tweaks/Etc

Canuckk · Post by **Canuckk** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:04 am

Alright, well I've put together a quick update that includes many of the fixes listed here, and it can be downloaded from here:

Lidas, I hope you don't mind that I called it LidasDB2.0.1 - I indicated that it is an unofficial update in the readme but if you prefer that I rename the file entirely, I can do that, no problem.

Here's a complete list of changes:

*Fixed Cam Fowler and Stanislav Galiev - they will no longer be signable as 17 year-olds.
*Fixed positions of Phil Kessel, Brad Boyes, Daniel Briere and Shane Doan.
*Gave rating boosts to Michael Del Zotto, Ryan O'Reilly, Craig Anderson and Steven Stamkos due to recent performance.
*Lowered ratings to Jonathan Cheechoo and Alex Tanguay due to performance last season and this season.
*Fixed names for Semyon Varlamov, Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson, Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond and Jeff Deslauriers.
*Fixed certain attributes for Rick DiPietro, Steve Bernier, Willie Mitchell, Henrik Sedin, Ales Hemsky and Marian Gaborik.
*Fixed Potential Ability of Carl Klingberg.
*Fixed Daniel Rahimi's rights - they now lie with the San Jose Sharks.
*Several other minor changes.

Hopefully that will do, for some people at least, for now.

EDIT: I remove the link to the database. Still, if you want to use it, send a PM to Canukk, and I'm sure he will provide you with the link. / Lidas

Post by **Lidas** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:24 am

Canuckk wrote:Alright, well I've put together a quick update that includes many of the fixes listed here, and it can be downloaded from here:

Lidas, I hope you don't mind that I called it LidasDB2.0.1 - I indicated that it is an unofficial update in the readme but if you prefer that I rename the file entirely, I can do that, no problem.

Here's a complete list of changes:

*Fixed Cam Fowler and Stanislav Galiev - they will no longer be signable as 17 year-olds.
*Fixed positions of Phil Kessel, Brad Boyes, Daniel Briere and Shane Doan.
*Gave rating boosts to Michael Del Zotto, Ryan O'Reilly, Craig Anderson and Steven Stamkos due to recent performance.
*Lowered ratings to Jonathan Cheechoo and Alex Tanguay due to performance last season and this season.
*Fixed names for Semyon Varlamov, Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson, Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond and Jeff Deslauriers.
*Fixed certain attributes for Rick DiPietro, Steve Bernier, Willie Mitchell, Henrik Sedin, Ales Hemsky and Marian Gaborik.
*Fixed Potential Ability of Carl Klingberg.
*Fixed Daniel Rahimi's rights - they now lie with the San Jose Sharks.
*Several other minor changes.

Hopefully that will do, for some people at least, for now.

If anyone uses this DB, please DONT use it for the upcoming challenge. I'll release a DB just before the challenge dealing with all issues that have come up in this thread.

Canukk, Id actually prefer if you didnt upload this file, and instead wait for the 2.0 fix to come out. Could you please remove that DB and wait until I release mine?

Canuckk · Post by **Canuckk** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:53 am

Lidas wrote:
Canuckk wrote:Alright, well I've put together a quick update that includes many of the fixes listed here, and it can be downloaded from here:

Lidas, I hope you don't mind that I called it LidasDB2.0.1 - I indicated that it is an unofficial update in the readme but if you prefer that I rename the file entirely, I can do that, no problem.

Here's a complete list of changes:

*Fixed Cam Fowler and Stanislav Galiev - they will no longer be signable as 17 year-olds.
*Fixed positions of Phil Kessel, Brad Boyes, Daniel Briere and Shane Doan.
*Gave rating boosts to Michael Del Zotto, Ryan O'Reilly, Craig Anderson and Steven Stamkos due to recent performance.
*Lowered ratings to Jonathan Cheechoo and Alex Tanguay due to performance last season and this season.
*Fixed names for Semyon Varlamov, Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson, Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond and Jeff Deslauriers.
*Fixed certain attributes for Rick DiPietro, Steve Bernier, Willie Mitchell, Henrik Sedin, Ales Hemsky and Marian Gaborik.
*Fixed Potential Ability of Carl Klingberg.
*Fixed Daniel Rahimi's rights - they now lie with the San Jose Sharks.
*Several other minor changes.

Hopefully that will do, for some people at least, for now.
If anyone uses this DB, please DONT use it for the upcoming challenge. I'll release a DB just before the challenge dealing with all issues that have come up in this thread.

Canukk, Id actually prefer if you didnt upload this file, and instead wait for the 2.0 fix to come out. Could you please remove that DB and wait until I release mine?

Sure, that's fine. I just wanted to help out those who just want a quick fix, but if you're releasing a proper fix soon then great.

Sorry for whatever confusion I may have caused. If anyone would like a copy of my edited DB though, just PM me.

empach · Post by **empach** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:41 am

LA's Brad Richardson needs a decrease in ability. I'm playing through with the Kings now and he has 38 points in 58 and in past databases I've seen him consistently become a very good 2nd liner or a first liner. In real life he has only 45 points in 184 games and currently has 0 in 17. He's been bugging me for a while.

Post by **Lidas** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:15 am

empach wrote:LA's Brad Richardson needs a decrease in ability. I'm playing through with the Kings now and he has 38 points in 58 and in past databases I've seen him consistently become a very good 2nd liner or a first liner. In real life he has only 45 points in 184 games and currently has 0 in 17. He's been bugging me for a while.

Alright, I'll de-grade him a bit.

bebl · Post by **bebl** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:48 am

Kessel is rookie in my season and reality he has played 3 seasons in nhl...

Post by **visualdarkness** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:28 pm

I'll join the choir, Oilers farming needs a solution! They have really become unplayable.

Denis Grebeshkov should get a offensive boost (he got a sniping wrister I tell you), and his defensive game for sure is worse than his skills in the DB tells.
Pääjärvi-Svensson should get his name inverted like people already said and he is a bit on the slow side (although I don't know if you made it that way because he's young).
Chris Minard is a AHL star-player just below NHL-level who the Oilers signed to lead at Springfield, he's in need of a boost.
Anything lower than 20 in aggressiveness for Matt Nickerson is too low. Teams won't sign him bacause of his temper and aggression, he's a real problemchild.

Errors are rare and pretty much covered already, only some subjective tweaking of some players. Good job!

Post by **visualdarkness** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:45 pm

bebl wrote:Kessel is rookie in my season and reality he has played 3 seasons in nhl...

I'm sure that is bacause the fact that you can't change that starting year for the game, only make the players older.

Post by **Jypfan92** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:17 pm

i have idea to fix that. you have to edit their career stats, and like i said before, edit draft years (check page 2 or 3). THAT NEEDS A LOT OF WORK (!).

For example, scored 33+70 in 2008-2009 (in real life). start of the game is 2006-2007 so you have to edit that real life's stats 3 years after (in db 2009-2010). So Crosby should be drafted 1st in 2002 draft (in real life he is drafted 2005).

So his stats could be:
-2003 in CHL
2003-04 81 games 39 goals +63 assists (in real life this is season 2005-06)
2004-05 79 36+84 (2006-07)
2005-06 53 24+48 (2007-08)
2006-07 77 33+70 (2008-09)

And these stats should be edited again to every new db! Or why not to every 3rd (for example) cause like i said before, there's a lot of work.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:56 pm

Jypfan92 wrote:i have idea to fix that. you have to edit their career stats, and like i said before, edit draft years (check page 2 or 3). THAT NEEDS A LOT OF WORK (!).

For example, scored 33+70 in 2008-2009 (in real life). start of the game is 2006-2007 so you have to edit that real life's stats 3 years after (in db 2009-2010). So Crosby should be drafted 1st in 2002 draft (in real life he is drafted 2005).

So his stats could be:
-2003 in CHL
2003-04 81 games 39 goals +63 assists (in real life this is season 2005-06)
2004-05 79 36+84 (2006-07)
2005-06 53 24+48 (2007-08)
2006-07 77 33+70 (2008-09)

And these stats should be edited again to every new db! Or why not to every 3rd (for example) cause like i said before, there's a lot of work.

That's a whole lot of editing work. I know for me, I'm less concerned with the draft years and stats than I am the player attributes and potentials. I just wonder if it would even be possible to get that much done. Look at home many hours Lidas has spent editing what he has for this database. If he were to do player histories/stats, you could probably double (or more) the amount of hours it would require.

Post by **visualdarkness** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:06 pm

bruins72 wrote: That's a whole lot of editing work. I know for me, I'm less concerned with the draft years and stats than I am the player attributes and potentials. I just wonder if it would even be possible to get that much done. Look at home many hours Lidas has spent editing what he has for this database. If he were to do player histories/stats, you could probably double (or more) the amount of hours it would require.

Agreed, that would be too much work to add three years of history, even if you use a script to push the old stats down three years. The only not too impossible solution I can think of is that you edit the last history year of all the false rookies to a nhl team. Still that mean Lidas would have to go through EVERY one of these players and do the change.

I find another tweak for the DB. Pat Quinn has proven he's good with young players and deserve higher stat than 10. Also I can't understand how he can be so much worse than Renney, at the moment you just kick Quinn and make Renney HC.

markiemark66 · Post by **markiemark66** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:08 pm

That sucks about the Oilers. I have started a game with the Red Wings and now Detroit has an ECHL, an AHL and two UHL affiliates. I would totally offer up one or both of the UHL affiliates, but I don't know if it is that simple.

tksolway · Post by **tksolway** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:31 pm

Unfortunatley no, the UHL won't work. We need to AHL because there are no roster limits, so we can actually dump enough players there. Also from a player development standpoint, we realy need an AHL team for a place to develop young players. ECHL is the Greenland of hockey, players saddled there are not going to develop.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:32 pm

I forget, can teams share AHL affiliates?

tksolway · Post by **tksolway** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:34 pm

Having Springfeild itself down there kinda sucks too, because the oilers have made sure there is a pretty decent staff in springfield in Rob Daum and such, They will move up from the ECHL as soon as there are openings avaialble because they are too good for that league.

I understand that there are hard limits on the number of teams in the league. But we can't have NHL teams loose affiliations they already had, as I said in my previous post, the oilers have to buy out half their players and dump players on the trade market and waivers to even make it under their roster limits before the season. They need a place to put them.

Post by **visualdarkness** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:36 pm

tksolway wrote:Having Springfeild itself down there kinda sucks too, because the oilers have made sure there is a pretty decent staff in springfield in Rob Daum and such, They will move up from the ECHL as soon as there are openings avaialble because they are too good for that league.

Don't forget the signings of Minard and Nickerson just for the AHL team.

tksolway · Post by **tksolway** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:39 pm

bruins72 wrote:I forget, can teams share AHL affiliates?

Yes they can, however its not ideal, since your prospects are sharing playing time. But if that's the only solution, its better than nothing.

tksolway · Post by **tksolway** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:41 pm

visualdarkness wrote:
tksolway wrote:Having Springfeild itself down there kinda sucks too, because the oilers have made sure there is a pretty decent staff in springfield in Rob Daum and such, They will move up from the ECHL as soon as there are openings avaialble because they are too good for that league.
Don't forget the signings of Minard and Nickerson just for the AHL team.

And more than just that, dean arnse etc. There are bout 5-6 players that are signed to play in springfield, not the NHL.

WallyWallcakes · Post by **WallyWallcakes** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:42 pm

tksolway wrote:Having Springfeild itself down there kinda sucks too, because the oilers have made sure there is a pretty decent staff in springfield in Rob Daum and such, They will move up from the ECHL as soon as there are openings avaialble because they are too good for that league.

I understand that there are hard limits on the number of teams in the league. But we can't have NHL teams loose affiliations they already had, as I said in my previous post, the oilers have to buy out half their players and dump players on the trade market and waivers to even make it under their roster limits before the season. They need a place to put them.

I agree, and I made mention of this earlier in the thread. It's too bad that Springfield had to get bumped, but I understand the logic behind it given the hard code and the fact that they were such JUNK last season...it does make sense to drop out the two worst teams in the AHL to make room.

That said, perhaps for 2.1 we could give the Oilers two shared AHL affiliates with two other AHL teams? That way, they could at least develop at the AHL level, and if there's two AHL affiliates, it could help to prevent those who use the Oilers to dump all of their prospects onto one team, and spread them out over two.

My two cents!

Post by **visualdarkness** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:43 pm

tksolway wrote:
bruins72 wrote:I forget, can teams share AHL affiliates?
Yes they can, however its not ideal, since your prospects are sharing playing time. But if that's the only solution, its better than nothing.

It would be better to have teams not as stacked as the Oilers sharing affiliates, but it's pretty much the most simple solution to put Oilers sharing with any "not-so-deep-rooster- team" or put them with some old team of theirs.

Post by **visualdarkness** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:46 pm

WallyWallcakes wrote: That said, perhaps for 2.1 we could give the Oilers two shared AHL affiliates with two other AHL teams? That way, they could at least develop at the AHL level, and if there's two AHL affiliates, it could help to prevent those who use the Oilers to dump all of their prospects onto one team, and spread them out over two.

I think that is the best idea! Which teams has the thinnest roosters?

Systemfel · Post by **Systemfel** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:51 pm

Hey, check this out. A friend of mine is using the 2.0, and apparently, Adam Deadmarsh somehow came out of retirement. I know that he is set as a non-player in the db, so it's obviously a pretty strange occurance.

http://www.zshare.net/image/68320167101dda71/

Edit: He did a fantasy draft, by the way. All the other guys (Housley etc) retired, though.

WallyWallcakes · Post by **WallyWallcakes** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:56 pm

Systemfel wrote:Hey, check this out. A friend of mine is using the 2.0, and apparently, Adam Deadmarsh somehow came out of retirement.

http://www.zshare.net/image/68320167101dda71/

Edit: He did a fantasy draft, by the way. All the other guys (Housley etc) retired, though.

BAH HA HA! That's funny! Looks like he's doing alright too!

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:59 pm

I wonder if the fantasy draft skips the extra_config settings that tell it to retire players?

Post by **visualdarkness** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:15 pm

I'm testing to start a game with the Oilers with Hamilton Bulldogs (one of their old ones) and Portland Pirates (stinks this season IRL) as their two AHL affiliates.