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Would really like to see a historic database for the Heineken British League back in the early '90's (3 divisions with Promotion/Relegation and the finals at Wembley Arena). I know that more editable leagues is something that's being looked at and this would be good if we could replace leagues in certain countries with ones that match the old structures).
I'm dreaming about playing in NHL when it was much smaller league...
Would really like to see a historic database for the Heineken British League back in the early '90's (3 divisions with Promotion/Relegation and the finals at Wembley Arena). I know that more editable leagues is something that's being looked at and this would be good if we could replace leagues in certain countries with ones that match the old structures).
I believe at least some of this might already possible via the database - it's just we do not have the editor to make the necessary changes.
marksbros6 wrote:Posted by me over at SI Games Forum:
I agree on basically all points, especially with the ones dealing with rink graphics. However, I think having an option for either dynamic or rigid leagues is a bad idea, since the more variations of a game there is, the more difficult it is to update and keep balanced. Additionally, it could also have an effect on the game performance.
In terms of the data though all we'd have to worry about updating is the first season. Have the leagues and rules mirror what is current for that year at the start of the game and have a league expansion happen as a 'random event' some time after the first season is completed.
So maybe play 2 seasons in and maybe get an NHL expansion?
I imagine it would be fun to program, but I've always seen myself as an 'ideas man' so let Riz worry about making it happen (but if anyone can I'm sure he could)
marksbros6 wrote:In terms of the data though all we'd have to worry about updating is the first season. Have the leagues and rules mirror what is current for that year at the start of the game and have a league expansion happen as a 'random event' some time after the first season is completed.
So maybe play 2 seasons in and maybe get an NHL expansion?
I imagine it would be fun to program, but I've always seen myself as an 'ideas man' so let Riz worry about making it happen (but if anyone can I'm sure he could)
I imagine 'twould be time-consuming to program and difficult to get right, since the code would have to consider all sorts of things in order to maintain realism. Especially if combined with the ability to make custom, playable leagues in the database, as in that case Riz would need to develop a system that checks for a realistic league size depending on the travel distances, league profile, wealth of the teams, etc.. This would be nice to have, but realistically I doubt we can have both custom leagues and dynamic league system, at least within the next few years. Not even Football Manager has it yet (please correct me if I am wrong), and the project has significantly more resources than EHM.
marksbros6 wrote:In terms of the data though all we'd have to worry about updating is the first season. Have the leagues and rules mirror what is current for that year at the start of the game and have a league expansion happen as a 'random event' some time after the first season is completed.
So maybe play 2 seasons in and maybe get an NHL expansion?
I imagine it would be fun to program, but I've always seen myself as an 'ideas man' so let Riz worry about making it happen (but if anyone can I'm sure he could)
I imagine 'twould be time-consuming to program and difficult to get right, since the code would have to consider all sorts of things in order to maintain realism. Especially if combined with the ability to make custom, playable leagues in the database, as in that case Riz would need to develop a system that checks for a realistic league size depending on the travel distances, league profile, wealth of the teams, etc.. This would be nice to have, but realistically I doubt we can have both custom leagues and dynamic league system, at least within the next few years. Not even Football Manager has it yet (please correct me if I am wrong), and the project has significantly more resources than EHM.
You make it sound easy...
I know it would be difficult, and you're right that Football Manager doesn't have it yet (but to be honest it doesn't really have to, aside from the MLS expansion last season) the leagues are pretty standard.
In Hockey though, especially with 'closed' leagues and little prospect for promotion and relegation it would be more relevent. Just off the top of my head in 'recent' times we've seen a conference re-alignment in the NHL, Jokerit joining the KHL, teams dropping-out and joining the Elite-League and Premier League. We'll be having a Chinese team joining the KHL in a year or two, MKL and another team joining the Elite League (possibly a new team in London) a mooted KHL London franchise... it would just be nice to have this element of flux in our game (and to be fair it would only be possible if the game remained unlicenced, licenced leagues will problably 'lock' the structure in so that it's accurate).
Obviously there's lots of stuff to do before something like this is considered, loads of ideas that wil be easier to code and impliment (it's why I suggested it for subsequent versions of the game, as opposed to patching the current one). I know some people won't even like the idea and want the game to be as accurate as possible (but it is a game, and it ceases to become 'accurete' as soon as you press 'continue' on start-up). It's just a feature I'd like to see, and it is a wish-list thread after all. Riz will pop what he wants in his game after all, but if you don't ask for something then it's certain it will never happen!
I'm lazy, so a drop-down tab that goes directly to the Practice screen would be nice.
(For some reason I can't log into the Sig games forum, so I'm not sure where else to post my wishlist stuff).
I really wish that individual scouting and shortlist were seperated. I do a lot of individual scouting of players during a season and most of the time I forget that the player get automaticly added to the shortlist. Needless to say, when I DO check out my shortlist it is a mess and not too fun cleaning it up. Unless there is something I'm missing and you can actually turn this feature off already in the game?
saberhagen83 wrote:I really wish that individual scouting and shortlist were seperated. I do a lot of individual scouting of players during a season and most of the time I forget that the player get automaticly added to the shortlist. Needless to say, when I DO check out my shortlist it is a mess and not too fun cleaning it up. Unless there is something I'm missing and you can actually turn this feature off already in the game?
I just right-click the player and select "remove from shortlist" immediately after I send my scouts to view him (unless I actually do want him on my shortlist). But yes, it is a little annoying, especially when making trades and the garbage contracts you sometimes have to take back end up on the shortlist.
A direct dropdown shortlist function, eg. like we have with rosters & tactics, would be nice, as would having multiple shortlists available.
I know we're out of EA but I'm still going to throw my wish here. I'd love to have a cloud save for EHM. Even if you could only choose 1 file (have a check box) to save to the cloud, it would be great. Unfortunately, I know file sizes are big so this is unlikely.
I'd like it if they'd go back and uninvent this game so I can have my life back
Failing that I'd like -
Prospect Camp
A tick box on shortlists for mass removal/scouting
Being able to order leagues by reputation when assigning scouts
Being able to sign players & staff for my affiliates without signing them to the big organisation (I guess I could appoint a second account GM of them too but...)
Not retaining in-game changes made to tactics for the next game
A set captain list so I don't have to keep resetting it everytime Sid misses a game
The ability to offer players' rights to other teams
The ability to demand they show me wingers/dmen capable of playing both sides & show me only players who have a position as their natural position
The ability to search staff based on the tactical styles they prefer
Peat wrote:edit: And auto-increasing salary cap plz!
That one would only work if the game simulated inflation, which in my opinion would only slow down the game without contributing anything. What Riz could implement, though, is a dynamic salary cap which slowly shrinks before increasing again.
I love the suggested set captain option. We shouldn't have to set it every camp or every time a player misses a game. How many teams have a revolving captaincy? Great suggestion.
I'd like to see more realistic contract terms and demands. It's almost impossible to lock up our franchise or key players to long term 7-8 year deals unless we pay them 15 mil a year. That's not very accurate. Most players now a days want security in term and are more likely to take less if they get that extra year or two. Right now the player actually does everything to avoid term which is just silly. Either way, we should be able to sign 7-8 year deals and not have to spend 15mil to do it. Look no further than Stamkos and Hedmen who both signed 8 year deals in the 8mil aav range. Getting paid and also allowing the team to stay competitive. Right now I think contracts need some attention.
This is completely pie-in-the-sky and probably isn't even possible, but I think this would make for a richer experience:
Custom Tailored League Attributes
- Each league could be assigned certain attributes which are more important and given more "weight", while others could be assigned less importance.
For example:
Attribute Weights - NHL:
Mental Attributes (Anticipation, Consistency, Decision Making, Determination, Positioning): 1.1
Skating Attributes (Acceleration, Agility, Speed): 1.1
Physicality Attributes (Balance, Bravery, Checking, Strength): 1.1
All Other Attributes: 0.7 (balances all weights to ‘1’)
You’ll notice I didn’t put hitting or fighting with physicality attributes…being able to lay big hits is great but you can make it in the NHL being small and not being a big hitter if your balance and bravery are high and have high mental attributes. Whereas…if you have poor balance and any little bump sends you to the ice and you aren’t brave and don’t fight for your space…you are going to have a really, really hard time. Both cases you aren’t a fighter or big hitter but once case you can succeed and one you can’t.
So you look at that breakdown and say: “well hey, your skill attributes like shooting and passing seem to be valued less, and that’s not right because the NHL is the world’s best league!”. But the point of this weighting is not that it changes that actual ratings you see for each attribute on your screen, it is to help the CPU to determine how to value players in terms of depths charts, lines, and NHL readiness. In that if your mental make-up and skating are poor – your other physical tools aren’t going to be enough, or at the very least, will have a marginalized impact.
So in a European league on big ice, the ability to be quick and fast may become more important, and the ability to play physically, less so – in comparison.
How this would work for individual cases:
PLAYER A
Coded Attributes in DB/Editor:
CA = 130
PA = 160
Attribute Breakdown: Finesse winger, small in stature, great puck skills, good both defensively and offensively, very smart with high anticipation, great agility, solid speed and acceleration, very poor balance, poor bravery, average determination, very poor strength.
When Player A is at the NHL leve, due to the tailored league attributes, his ability is thus affected: CA = 110
His overall coded CA is not changed, it's just that at the NHL level, his CA is read by the CPU GM/coach at this new level, which makes it harder for him to have a more important player role. Indeed, he would go from a player at a 130 CA who is a solid, NHL contributor to at 110, a fringe finesse player who has excellent ability but lacks the make-up to be more than a bit-part guy at this point in time.
He's got star-level potential but unless you focus on developing his strength and balance in a specific, targeted training regime, he is unlikely to ever maximize his ability in the NHL – even if his coded PA of 160 is reached in the game.
Now...take this same player and sign him as a club in a European league on a big rink, and his ability is thus affected: CA = 140
He's already got the skills to put up big numbers in an important role on a European league team on the bigger ice and so his new league CA of 140 reflects this. He can dominate and be a valuable player in this league. He might also be a much more valuable player for international tournaments on European ice.
PROSPECT B
This guy drafted #5 overall, just finished his OHL career where he put up dominant stats and is a top prospect.
Coded Attributes in DB/Editor:
CA = 100
PA = 180
Attribute Breakdown: Offensive, physical defenseman, already has high marks in skating, shot, puck-handling, hitting and strength. Has super-low ratings in consistency, determination, anticipation and decision making.
Looking at his physical tools and coded CA, you may think he is ready for a taste of the NHL. But when you call him up, the CPU reads his tailored league CA as: CA = 50
Holy smokes, not even remotely ready. His lack of mental skills means he isn’t even close. What it also means is that even if he maxes out his CA so that it meets his PA…at a superstar level 180 – if his mental skills don’t develop (and, correct me if I am wrong, but these can be attributes that don’t tend to develop much), that his NHL-adjusted CA may never get beyond say 130. So despite some superstar level attributes in his prime, he may never be regarded as more than a middle-6 type player by the computer.
You could apply this system to league and also apply it to international tournaments. For example, if there is an international tournament on European-sized ice, the Russian CPU GM might not simply take the 20 Russians with the best coded CA. He will take the 20 best CA’s for that tournament. He might take some guys in the KHL who can’t make it in the NHL but are really skilled. And he might leave home that big, bruising blueliner who is really effective in the NHL and has a high coded CA.
Actually, I think something similar exists in Football Manager as a database setting. I'm not entirely sure how it works, and whether it to relates to how regens/newgens are created and/or how teams in that league rate players. It would certainly add to giving some realistic character to the leagues - for instance it would be nice to see the LNAH remaining a physical league, etc.
I really, really like BKarchitect's suggestion. I've been chewing on it for a while and it makes sense, because there truly *is* a different "feel" for play in seemingly every league I've seen live.
We know what the NHL is, and he's right, skating is absolute king. There are *lots* of guys at the AHL level with the NHL skillset, but not the skating to make it in the NHL. And guys that can skate but whose game is lacking oftentimes get extra chances at the NHL level.
The AHL, as a result, is a slower, still highly-skilled league. Guys from other leagues can sometimes extend their career in the AHL as their skating ability decreases.
The ECHL is a faster league than the AHL all-around, but with less skill. This is partly because it's younger guys in the ECHL, and the older guys that do hang around in the ECHL somehow generally manage to keep their skating ability, to keep up. Sometimes if they can't, they actually end up in the AHL instead as a better fit, even though it's a "higher" league.
The SPHL is usually a slower league than the ECHL, a bit more sloppy and maaaaaaaybe a bit more physical. The frantic-ness in play of the ECHL is magnified in the SPHL IMO.
And that's just with North America. Some guys' games do fit in better in certain leagues despite the league pecking order/heirarchy.
A simple config file/section in a pre-existing config file could set these league preferences and how each league weighs them. Again, then database editors could set this up themselves, but players could still modify it.
This guy drafted #5 overall, just finished his OHL career where he put up dominant stats and is a top prospect.
Coded Attributes in DB/Editor: CA = 100
PA = 180
Attribute Breakdown: Offensive, physical defenseman, already has high marks in skating, shot, puck-handling, hitting and strength. Has super-low ratings in consistency, determination, anticipation and decision making.
Looking at his physical tools and coded CA, you may think he is ready for a taste of the NHL. But when you call him up, the CPU reads his tailored league CA as: CA = 50
FYI - a 100 CA draftee is likely years away from the NHL (130-140 is more where they'd probably have to be)
For example, here's the first 5 picks in the 2015 NHL Draft and their CAs in TBL 8.2 (and their IRL NHL GP in 2015-16)
1. Connor McDavid 146 CA (45 NHL GP/inJury)
2. Jack Eichel 138 CA (81 NHL GP)
3. Dylan Strome 110 (0 NHL GP - Major Junior)
4. Mitchell Marner 104 CA (0 NHL GP - Major Junior)
5. Noah Hanifin 128 CA (79 NHL GP)
P.S. Also, IMO very few 18 year olds are going to enter the NHL with high marks in hitting/strength, especially strength (because they're still teenagers, and the men of the NHL will show that to them pretty quickly HaHa)
Also, the new Player Role system has Key/Essential/Non-Essential/Irrelevant Attributes for each Player Role, so any consideration of determining "weightings" for Leagues/Attributes has to take this into account too...
BKarchitect wrote:So in a European league on big ice, the ability to be quick and fast may become more important, and the ability to play physically, less so – in comparison
When I watch the SHL and KHL both are much slower paced than the NHL
I think if EHM had an Attribute that indicated a player's ability to do things "quickly/under pressure" would help, so a skilled European/Russian can be a bit more skilled than the North American, but their ability to do so "quickly/under pressure" would be poor enough that they couldn't being their "European/Russian style game" to the NHL (which is not infrequently the case with skilled Europeans/Russians IMO...when they get to North America and they have to do everything much quicker with much less space, they have much less success)
Yeah we can parse the semantics of what it would mean for each league if we ever got a feature like this, I definitely would not argue that being able to think quickly is as important as being able to move quickly in the NHL.
On a related note...what does the "Adaptability" rating do? If you have a Russian player in the KHL and he has low adaptability, will that affect either his desire to sign in N.A. (or his happiness level once in N.A.) or his ability to perform in N.A.?
I like how in FM you can have as many dislike/like slots as you want for a player/staff versus 3 like and 3 dislike for staff and club relationships in EHM. Also - the ability to like/dislike a competition, nation or even continent in FM allows you to tailor the database a bit more. I could make an MLS vet who is probably good enough to play overseas and who constantly got signed in the game by low level Euro clubs and make him "dislike" Europe in the editor. Now he plays out the end of his career in the MLS...more accurately. You could apply that principal to certain players in EHM who have shown little enthusiasm for even giving the NHL a shot...or you could apply it to superstar NHL players (make them dislike Europe) so that you don't have bunches of them signing for some mid-level Slovakian team when they are 40 years-old.
I'm not sure how that would work with CPU generated players though. Would be kind of interesting to have some Swedish wonderkid go at the top of the draft and then never, ever want to play in North America. Unlikely in real life as well but maybe the scouting reporting report from your scouts could have a section that indicates "low level of interest in playing in North America" - and you'd have to consider that when making your choice. More realistically, it probably applies to mid-level Russian prospects who are probably talented enough to get drafted but often get passed on or taken much later because of the risk of the "Russian factor". (And I don't mean to turn this into a debate about whether that is real or not or still prevalent - just trying to illustrate a concept).
BKarchitect wrote:On a related note...what does the "Adaptability" rating do? If you have a Russian player in the KHL and he has low adaptability, will that affect either his desire to sign in N.A. (or his happiness level once in N.A.) or his ability to perform in N.A.?
My wish, for when playing European Leagues with money transfers, is that when you scout a player multiple times you can get some kind of suggestion to if he will be available to get to your team, and for what kind of transfer fee.
I know it was possible in some FM games earlier, so maybe it could be possible to bring to EHM as well?
BKarchitect wrote:...maybe the scouting reporting report from your scouts could have a section that indicates "low level of interest in playing in North America" - and you'd have to consider that when making your choice. ...
It's there, it says "Could have trouble adapting (or adjusting, can't recall) to life in the United States". Those guys are hard to sign to come over.
riazorblues86 wrote:hope that player that play in minor like AHL can be invite to training camp without put them on waiver after the camp over.
Isn't the way it is now correct? I thought not every player in the AHL can be invited to Training Camp and then sent back down to the AHL without passing through waivers, depending on their age/NHL GP (so older players/players with NHL experience get a chance to catch on with another NHL team, while young players are exempt from waivers).....maybe I'm wrong
riazorblues86 wrote:hope that player that play in minor like AHL can be invite to training camp without put them on waiver after the camp over.
Isn't the way it is now correct? I thought not every player in the AHL can be invited to Training Camp and then sent back down to the AHL without passing through waivers, depending on their age/NHL GP (so older players/players with NHL experience get a chance to catch on with another NHL team, while young players are exempt from waivers).....maybe I'm wrong
Unless there is something I'm missing and you can actually turn this feature off already in the game?
