Real NHL vs. EHM Player Stats Comparison

[AdamOates]

Obviously it's impossible to get everything exact in a video game, but I had this idea for an experiment.

I simmed 5 NHL seasons (2014-15 only) on Enhanced and not controlling any team. I also ran the AHL on enhanced, but no other leagues were selected. Then I created a database in Filemaker and brought in all the player stats for each year. I averaged the 5 years for all of the important stats and exported a spreadsheet of the players with their average year numbers. I then took all of the real life NHL stats from this year and combined them into one huge spreadsheet for comparison. I also included the raw data from EHM if you want to see any player's array of seasons.

* This uses TBL 7.3
* I haven't figured out a great way to sort it yet, so if anyone has an idea, let me know.
* EHM didn't seem to export certain letters, which you will see in the raw data. I fixed them for the main sheets.
* I haven't made any great conclusions about this yet, but maybe as a group we can notice some patterns.
* My hope is that this will help fine tune certain players that need a ratings upgrade (Mark Stone) or downgrade (Ales Hemsky).
* Let me know if have any other questions or better ideas.

I'm sharing via Google Drive, but if this doesn't work let me know so I can upload somewhere else. There are 5 sheets, accessible at the bottom.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

[Peter_Doherty]

Amazing how close most players are, i just skimmed through a bit but wow, just shows how well made this DB is... Some obvious exceptions like you mentioned but overall it's amazing...

Great work with this, i'm sure it will help with retooling some players atleast

Many D-men are a bit high in points but i think that's more to do with the game then the DB, the fact that D-men shoot way too much in this game...

Did you do this on the latest patch where scoring was set down a bit?

[AdamOates]

Yes, I haven't even taken a good look at it yet, but plenty of guys seem to be spot on. I think you're right that some of it might be the game itself (hits, blocks, SOG, etc.).

I'm not positive, but it seems to me that Current Ability is very important as to where a player plays, regardless of other attributes. If that is true, then a player who has a Current Ability that is too low may not even make the NHL roster or else they might play on the 4th line. I also think the way the lines are set in the game could be a big factor. They do some weird things when you have the lines set automatically.

Anyway, I suggest that if people find obvious differences they should post them here so others can comment.

[umwoz]

Before I clicked my guesses were that Giroux would be too low, and Stamkos goal:assist ratio was gonna be way out of whack. Low and behold.

Edit: To clarify, the reason I thought Stamkos would be strange is because I think this game may use more of the pass tendency range. Also his role has not been set and most games I see him end up(under 'position') as a two way forward or a playmaking forward.

For Giroux it's up in the air, I've seen him get 88 points, and I've seen him get 50.

[AdamOates]

Yeah, that's weird about Giroux. His BEST year was 64 pts. out of the five seasons. The question is: how do we fix it? Are his ratings too low or is it the game or is it his situation on a mediocre team?

As for pass tendency, maybe someone should do tests where you change one player's tendency only, spanning the whole spectrum and see how much that really changes things. The player roles may help too, but those haven't been completely added in yet, correct?

It's also possible that 5 seasons is not enough data.

[CJ]

Great work!

Am I able to download the file and open it up in Excel? (I'm on my phone now)

Yeah, that's weird about Giroux. His BEST year was 64 pts. out of the five seasons. The question is: how do we fix it? Are his ratings too low or is it the game or is it his situation on a mediocre team?

As for pass tendency, maybe someone should do tests where you change one player's tendency only, spanning the whole spectrum and see how much that really changes things. The player roles may help too, but those haven't been completely added in yet, correct?

It's also possible that 5 seasons is not enough data.

Giroux is a mystery. His attributes are great. In EHM07 his problem was size. IN EHM:EA size shouldn't be as important as it was in EHM07.
Player roles aren't in the game, as I've seen so far. A lot might change(stats and behaviour) when they come to the game. We'll just have to wait and see.

[batdad]

Giroux scored 95 points for me. But he was really up and down, in the last 20 games he only got something like 10 points I think. Player roles are going to be huge once implemented. Going to make things so much easier and better for editors as well as make the game more realistic.

I do somewhat agree that pass tendency is used as was mentioned above re Stamkos. Guys who are shooters in this game tend to get way less assists then I believe they should in many cases....I mean off rebounds alone.

And yeah its an in game problem re dmen shooting too much, and hits and blocks etc.

[AdamOates]

Great work!

Am I able to download the file and open it up in Excel? (I'm on my phone now)

You should be able to download: File - Download As. If not, PM me your email and I'll send it to you.

[AdamOates]

I have updated the spreadsheet to include the differences between a player's real stats and the EHM average stats. They are in new sheets at the bottom. Of course there may be a good reason why someone's stats are way off (injuries and such), but this is a good starting point.

The most underrated skaters in terms of Pts. are:
Anders Lee
Mark Stone
Kevin Hayes
Mike Hoffman
Nick Foligno
Dennis Wideman
Joe Thornton
David Backes
Scott Hartnell
Jarome Iginla
Mark Giordano

The most overrated in terms of Pts. are:
Alexander Semin
Valeri Nichushkin
Taylor Hall
Cory Conacher
Tomas Fleischmann
Ales Hemsky
Jay Bouwmeester
Christian Ehrhoff
Michael Ryder
Mikkel Boedker
Jeff Skinner

[Harper]

Yeah, that's weird about Giroux. His BEST year was 64 pts. out of the five seasons. The question is: how do we fix it? Are his ratings too low or is it the game or is it his situation on a mediocre team?

As for pass tendency, maybe someone should do tests where you change one player's tendency only, spanning the whole spectrum and see how much that really changes things. The player roles may help too, but those haven't been completely added in yet, correct?

It's also possible that 5 seasons is not enough data.

G's best season for me was 83 (27-56) points. He was on a line with Zykov(96) and Huberdeau (89).

[batdad]

I have G at 95. With Voracek and Raffl mostly.

[Peter_Doherty]

I've had G over 100pts twice in 3 seasons...

[umwoz]

I've had G over 100pts twice in 3 seasons...

Yes, but that's with user tactics. In the simulation he plays nowhere near that level.

Speaking of which, what the heck are your ind. tactics on him.... that's insane.

[Peter_Doherty]

I had nothing special, creative passing and selective shooting and had him as my playmaker on the PP, that's about it.. sometimes carry puck sometimes not...
Voracek was even more insane though so he helped it

[krownroyal83]

I have updated the spreadsheet to include the differences between a player's real stats and the EHM average stats. They are in new sheets at the bottom. Of course there may be a good reason why someone's stats are way off (injuries and such), but this is a good starting point.

The most underrated skaters in terms of Pts. are:
Anders Lee
Mark Stone
Kevin Hayes
Mike Hoffman
Nick Foligno
Dennis Wideman
Joe Thornton
David Backes
Scott Hartnell
Jarome Iginla
Mark Giordano

The most overrated in terms of Pts. are:
Alexander Semin
Valeri Nichushkin
Taylor Hall
Cory Conacher
Tomas Fleischmann
Ales Hemsky
Jay Bouwmeester
Christian Ehrhoff
Michael Ryder
Mikkel Boedker
Jeff Skinner

Maybe he wouldn't make the list of top overrated in terms of points but i often see Tyler Toffoli over achieving in regards of points. He often finishes with 65 points or more which is a little high. Although looking at your stats of him he doesn't appear to be over achieving as much. Great work btw!