Germany

[archibalduk]

Please use this thread to post any mistakes, omissions, tweaks, etc in respect of the German leagues in the TBL Rosters. Any general feedback on the data for these leagues can also be posted here.

Note that any feedback on player career history, team history or competition history should instead be posted here: http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... .php?f=142

[djskek]

Germany / DEL:

Send player to affiliates:

My own research must be corrected.

Only German players 23 years old or younger can be sent to affiliates Teams (goalies 25 years old or younger).

[djskek]

Mistake has not been corrected.

[Alessandro]

I don't really think it's DB-related.

[djskek]

Yes, Riz must correct that. Perhaps write in another topic.

[Named]

Ryan Ramsay need manually retire.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=11736

[nino33]

I couldn't find a "TBL Rosters 2016-17 Mistakes, omissions, tweaks etc" thread, and since this post is about the whole hockey world I didn't know where to put it....since the initiating comment by djskek (in the "EHM 1 Database & Saved Game Editor" thread) was about the DEL, I decided to put what I wrote here...

And in general, why were the team reputations increased? Did the Community agree on a specific area with the individual leagues? In Germany DEL the lowest is 5000.

Your comment made me curious, so I took a quick look at things using the old PreGame Editor (not ideal using the PreGame Editor I know! but I just wanted a "quick look")

• Finland Elite, League Reputation 9, Team Reputation range 1500-4000, Team Reputation average 2916.7
• WHL (Major Junior), League Reputation 10, Team Reputation range 3500-4500, Team Reputation average 3977.3
• German Elite (DEL), League Reputation 12, Team Reputation range 5000-6500, Team Reputation average 5642.9
• Swiss Elite (NLA), League Reputation 13, Team Reputation range 4750-6500, Team Reputation average 5659.1
• Swedish Elite (SEL), League Reputation 14, Team Reputation range 5000-7000, Team Reputation average 6196.4
• Russian Elite (KHL), League Reputation 16, Team Reputation range 5000-8000, Team Reputation average 6548.3
• NHL, League Reputation 20, Team Reputation range 7500-9500, Team Reputation average 8500.0

I was surprised there was such a jump in the Team Reputation values when going from the 10 League Reputation to the 12 League Reputation

I was surprised to see 6 KHL teams with a Team Reputation as high or higher than the lowest 3 NHL teams (and that HC Kunlun Red Star had a 6500 Team Reputation...I would have thought they'd have one of if not the lowest in the League); IMO the lowest NHL Team Reputation should be higher worldwide than all but the other NHL teams

Just in terms of the math/ratio, it seems odd that the League Reputation gap from NHL to KHL (20-16) is almost 2000, but the gap from KHL to DEL (16-12) is less than 1000

I was really surprised to see the highest Team Reputation in the NHL be Detroit at 9500! and Ottawa and Vancouver tied for second with the Bruins, Blackhawks, Canadiens, Rangers, Flyers, Penguins, and Sharks at 9000

[djskek]

My last update of DEL from Year 2015, the Reputation range 3500-6000. Currently much too high. I thought perhaps for some reason the reputation had to be increased.

Finland Elite = SM liiga? Sm liga currently 5000 - 7000 and 13 for League. You mean Mestis or?

Somehow generally quite a mess. Perhaps a general range for the individual leagues should be created.

f.e:

Mestis 2250 - 3750
HAllsv. 2750 - 4500
DEL 3500 - 6250
Swiss 3500 - 6500
SM 4000 - 7000
CZ 3000- 6500/7000 (A higher range is required here)
SHL 4500 - 7500
KHL 5000-8000 (Except for Zagreb )
NHL 8000 - Open

[Edgars]

(and that HC Kunlun Red Star had a 6500 Team Reputation...I would have thought they'd have one of if not the lowest in the League)

Why?
Isn't team reputation one of the main factors of what (reputation) players and staff team can attract/sign?
If yes, then Kunlun wouldn't be nowhere near the lowest in that case.

[Alessandro]

(and that HC Kunlun Red Star had a 6500 Team Reputation...I would have thought they'd have one of if not the lowest in the League)

Why?
Isn't team reputation one of the main factors of what (reputation) players and staff team can attract/sign?
If yes, then Kunlun wouldn't be nowhere near the lowest in that case.

Edgars is somehow right, I think. At least it's what I used for reputation, even if it includes past success too.

[nino33]

(and that HC Kunlun Red Star had a 6500 Team Reputation...I would have thought they'd have one of if not the lowest in the League)

Why?
Isn't team reputation one of the main factors of what (reputation) players and staff team can attract/sign?
If yes, then Kunlun wouldn't be nowhere near the lowest in that case.

To be honest, I have no idea exactly what Team Reputation connects to...I checked the available information/guidance and found nothing

I guess I thought an expansion team was likely to start with a lower Team Reputation within a League...Kunlun is 14th in the League in the first season, I would be surprised if Las Vegas was in the mid range in the NHL in their first season

[djskek]

I am checking all the leagues and correct the reputations for my DB which I use.
I think the range in the KHL is Ok. A few small changes could be made, but otherwise completely in order.

[Alessandro]

(and that HC Kunlun Red Star had a 6500 Team Reputation...I would have thought they'd have one of if not the lowest in the League)

Why?
Isn't team reputation one of the main factors of what (reputation) players and staff team can attract/sign?
If yes, then Kunlun wouldn't be nowhere near the lowest in that case.

To be honest, I have no idea exactly what Team Reputation connects to...I checked the available information/guidance and found nothing

I guess I thought an expansion team was likely to start with a lower Team Reputation within a League...Kunlun is 14th in the League in the first season, I would be surprised if Las Vegas was in the mid range in the NHL in their first season

You mean 14th in standings or in reputation?

[nino33]

I guess I thought an expansion team was likely to start with a lower Team Reputation within a League...Kunlun is 14th in the League in the first season, I would be surprised if Las Vegas was in the mid range in the NHL in their first season

You mean 14th in standings or in reputation?

14th in Team Reputation in the KHL

[Alessandro]

Maybe 14th is a bit high, but look at what players they signed. They definitely appear more interesting to players than teams like Novokuznetsk or Cherepovets. I'd probably tune them down a little bit, but I think it's ok.

[Alessandro]

I couldn't find a "TBL Rosters 2016-17 Mistakes, omissions, tweaks etc" thread, and since this post is about the whole hockey world I didn't know where to put it....since the initiating comment by djskek (in the "EHM 1 Database & Saved Game Editor" thread) was about the DEL, I decided to put what I wrote here...

And in general, why were the team reputations increased? Did the Community agree on a specific area with the individual leagues? In Germany DEL the lowest is 5000.

Your comment made me curious, so I took a quick look at things using the old PreGame Editor (not ideal using the PreGame Editor I know! but I just wanted a "quick look")

• Finland Elite, League Reputation 9, Team Reputation range 1500-4000, Team Reputation average 2916.7
• WHL (Major Junior), League Reputation 10, Team Reputation range 3500-4500, Team Reputation average 3977.3
• German Elite (DEL), League Reputation 12, Team Reputation range 5000-6500, Team Reputation average 5642.9
• Swiss Elite (NLA), League Reputation 13, Team Reputation range 4750-6500, Team Reputation average 5659.1
• Swedish Elite (SEL), League Reputation 14, Team Reputation range 5000-7000, Team Reputation average 6196.4
• Russian Elite (KHL), League Reputation 16, Team Reputation range 5000-8000, Team Reputation average 6548.3
• NHL, League Reputation 20, Team Reputation range 7500-9500, Team Reputation average 8500.0

I was surprised there was such a jump in the Team Reputation values when going from the 10 League Reputation to the 12 League Reputation

I was surprised to see 6 KHL teams with a Team Reputation as high or higher than the lowest 3 NHL teams (and that HC Kunlun Red Star had a 6500 Team Reputation...I would have thought they'd have one of if not the lowest in the League); IMO the lowest NHL Team Reputation should be higher worldwide than all but the other NHL teams

Just in terms of the math/ratio, it seems odd that the League Reputation gap from NHL to KHL (20-16) is almost 2000, but the gap from KHL to DEL (16-12) is less than 1000

I was really surprised to see the highest Team Reputation in the NHL be Detroit at 9500! and Ottawa and Vancouver tied for second with the Bruins, Blackhawks, Canadiens, Rangers, Flyers, Penguins, and Sharks at 9000

Nino, we really tested these reps with Manimal and we kind of agreed on the level. I agree that probably the latest NHL team should outscore other teams, therefore I'll tune down the top KHL ones a bit.
Finland seems low but I didn't touch them as they aren't one of "my" leagues. I think they should be raised. Same for Germany, but the problem seems the opposite.

[Manimal]

Ottawa must be a typo amongst those NHL reps

[nino33]

Nino, we really tested these reps with Manimal and we kind of agreed on the level.

Fair enough! I wasn't saying I thought anything was outright wrong, just "thinking out loud"

Ottawa must be a typo amongst those NHL reps

How about Detroit? They have the highest Team Reputation in the world...

[A9L3E]

Maybe 14th is a bit high, but look at what players they signed. They definitely appear more interesting to players than teams like Novokuznetsk or Cherepovets. I'd probably tune them down a little bit, but I think it's ok.

Remember that the city attractiveness also plays a role.

[nino33]

Maybe 14th is a bit high, but look at what players they signed. They definitely appear more interesting to players than teams like Novokuznetsk or Cherepovets. I'd probably tune them down a little bit, but I think it's ok.

Remember that the city attractiveness also plays a role.

Are you sure about that?

I don't "know" but I don't think so, just because they're two separate Attributes in the PreGame Editor; "Attraction" is on the Cities tab, and "Club Reputation" is on the Clubs/Clubs Info tab

[A9L3E]

At least in Football Manager, the city attraction affects how eager a player is to join a club with the home arena in that city.

[nino33]

At least in Football Manager, the city attraction affects how eager a player is to join a club with the home arena in that city.

Just to clarify, I didn't mean I didn't think city attractiveness didn't play a part in a player's decision of where to sign, but that it didn't connect to Team Reputation (I'm saying I think they're two separate things/factors...I wouldn't think there's be a City Attraction Attribute if it was just part of the Team Reputation Attribute)

[A9L3E]

Just to clarify, I didn't mean I didn't think city attractiveness didn't play a part in a player's decision of where to sign, but that it didn't connect to Team Reputation (I'm saying I think they're two separate things/factors...I wouldn't think there's be a City Attraction Attribute if it was just part of the Team Reputation Attribute)

Ah, okay. I just wanted to remind about that variable as well, since it hardly ever gets mentioned. It could partly explain why Kunlun has so much appeal, for I suppose a player would rather live in Beijing than, say, Khanty-Mansiysk.

[nino33]

Just to clarify, I didn't mean I didn't think city attractiveness didn't play a part in a player's decision of where to sign, but that it didn't connect to Team Reputation (I'm saying I think they're two separate things/factors...I wouldn't think there's be a City Attraction Attribute if it was just part of the Team Reputation Attribute)

Ah, okay. I just wanted to remind about that variable as well, since it hardly ever gets mentioned. It could partly explain why Kunlun has so much appeal, for I suppose a player would rather live in Beijing than, say, Khanty-Mansiysk.

In TBL 9.1 Beijing has an Attraction Attribute of 14, Khanty-Mansiysk has an Attraction Attribute of 11
HC Kunlun Red Star has a Team Reputation Attribute of 6500, Yugra Khanty-Mansiysk has a Team Reputation Attribute of 5000

[lticehockeynerd]

Hi, some DEL changes for the latest DB.

The following players should not count as imports as they have German passports (in Bremerhaven's case, they release lots of imports at the start of the game or sit a lot of guys out as they are way over the import limit, and are terrible)

Augsburg - Jonathan Boutin, Gabe Guentzel, Jaroslav Hafenrichter, David Stieler
München - Mads Christensen, Steve Pinizzotto
Berlin - Alex Roach (should be transferred to Grizzlys Wolfsburg also)
Ingolstadt - Petr Taticek
Bremerhaven - Jerry Kuhn (should be transferred to Grizzlys Wolfsburg also), Wade Bergman, Cody Lampl, Bronson Maschmeyer, Mike Hoeffel, David Zucker, Jason Bast, Chad Nehring, Jordan George
Wolfsburg - Lubor Dibelka (should be transferred to Riessersee/DEL2 also)
Iserlohn - Chet Pickard (should be transferred to Mannheim also), Johannes Salmonsson, Jason Jaspers
Straubing - Colton Jobke, Tim Miller