Datsyuk and Zetterberg

Joe · Post by **Joe** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:27 pm

I've never played far enough into EHM for these guys to be real good. I had one season in 2005 where Zetterberg and Filppula (yes the kid who is still a prospect playing between the AHL and NHL) teamed up and had a 100+ point season each. But that was the only time Zetterberg has had a 70+ point season for me. Datsyuk has never gone beyond the 70's for me.

Has anyone else had much success with these 2? I always hear of people saying this player and that player played great for them, but I've never heard anyone talk about Dats and Z.

Post by **batdad** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:31 pm

Part of the reason for that is because these two as the supposed star players for the Wings have done nothing in the playoffs so far in their carerers. Their "clutch" play has not been good. Off the top of my head I do not believe either has scored 100 pts in the NHL reg season in their careers so far. The potential may be there, but to me they are rated accurately. This is not to say they won't, but so far they have not...Neither has proven to be players to build a team around at this time. They do great against CBJ, naff Chicago teams, St Louis and in the past Nashville...But against good teams..NOTHING! 32 games a year against the fSlug division teams has made many a Red Wing look like a superstar. When they go somewhere else and play in a tough division (Fedorov, and the like) they drop off.

Forsberg · Post by **Forsberg** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:03 pm

Zetterbergs best so far is a 77 gp 85 points reg season and 6 gp 6 points playoffs and Datsyuk 75 gp 87 reg season with 12 gp 6 points playoffs.
Agree with Batdad that is is pretty accurate in generel and also based on what I have seen in my own games.
Basicly Datsyuk is known to be as anti clutch as you can be, due to his inabillity to score goals in the playoffs, something like 28 games scoreless streak he is on in rl heh.

Post by **Shadd666** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:21 am

28 games scoreless streak in the playoffs???

darn! I guess it would be better to send him in the minors and the real battle starts (aka playoffs), as he seems totally useless there...

Post by **E5150_ca** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:20 am

The fact is, neither of them are really THAT great. Probably two of the most over-rated players in the NHL at the mo'. Probably because the entire hope of the Wing's future is on their shoulders.

Forsberg · Post by **Forsberg** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:31 pm

Zetterberg has been called the new Forsberg on many occasions. Just goes to show how far hype can go, when your team consists of a bunch of over the hill soft players, that disappear come playoff time

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Systemfel · Post by **Systemfel** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:22 am

Pic for Forsberg.

E5150_ca, you probably need to watch a bit more Wings hockey. Zetterberg is being a GREAT two-way forward and has now been moved up to the No. 1 PK unit, taking Maltby's spot there. So what if he hasn't been scoring like crazy this year.

Post by **batdad** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:52 pm

Yep Zetterberg is great! In the first 82 games. As I said, 32 of which are against Nashville, Columbus, Chicago and St Louis. Reminds of the Snorris division of old.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:11 pm

How did this turn into a real life debate, when this was originally about their performance in EHM?

Post by **joehelmer** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:46 pm

No idea.

But I think they're relating to their in real life performances according to their performances in EHM. Or something like that.

Post by **Shadd666** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:47 pm

Joe wrote:How did this turn into a real life debate, when this was originally about their performance in EHM?

Researchers make their best for the players being the same quality as in real life. So if a player does well/bad in EHM, it's certainly because he does so irl, and vice-versa

That's why the debate come easily on both sides, EHM and real life.

Forsberg · Post by **Forsberg** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:32 pm

Link doesnt work for me Systemfel, says something about cant hotlink large images :O?.
And yes ofc we compare players to rl, while it is impossible to satisfy everyone there certainly are some things that are just plain out wrong. In my latest game a 38 years old forsberg has played on average 80 regular season games every season!!!, gg injury prone rate.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:56 pm

Theres Systemfel's picture...

Systemfel · Post by **Systemfel** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:23 pm

Yes, there's the picture.

Zetterberg's just great in the first 82 games? Thought he had 6 goals in 6 playoff games last year...but anyways...

Krieger99 · Post by **Krieger99** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:07 pm

batdad wrote:Part of the reason for that is because these two as the supposed star players for the Wings have done nothing in the playoffs so far in their carerers. Their "clutch" play has not been good. Off the top of my head I do not believe either has scored 100 pts in the NHL reg season in their careers so far. The potential may be there, but to me they are rated accurately. This is not to say they won't, but so far they have not...Neither has proven to be players to build a team around at this time. They do great against CBJ, naff Chicago teams, St Louis and in the past Nashville...But against good teams..NOTHING! 32 games a year against the fSlug division teams has made many a Red Wing look like a superstar. When they go somewhere else and play in a tough division (Fedorov, and the like) they drop off.

Zetterberg was good in the playoffs in 2006 if I remember correctly... Datsyuk, on the other hand, is completely useless in the playoffs. I think he lacks the heart needed to be successful in the playoffs.

slash · Post by **slash** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:25 pm

Well for me it really depends who you play them with. In my one wings game Datsyuk and Ovechkin are on a line together and let me say this Dats does the passing and sure enough Ovvie supply's with a goal. So theres my 2 cents.

Tank821990 · Post by **Tank821990** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:05 pm

Shadd666 wrote:28 games scoreless streak in the playoffs???
darn! I guess it would be better to send him in the minors and the real battle starts (aka playoffs), as he seems totally useless there...

LMAO false. He sets so much up man. That was foolish.

opivy · Post by **opivy** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:44 pm

Did anyone watch the game the other night where Dats made amazing passes, picked crosbys and malkins pockets multiple times and laid the body on everything in sight? Dats already has as many points as Crosby in the SCF after one game.

Meanwhile Zetterberg has been the one shutting him down throughout. The wings play their top forwards against the other teams top forwards in a defensive role primarily - they backcheck hard and let the other lines do the scoring.

They are probably the only team in the NHL with the depth to pull off this type of play.

Complaining about them playing in a "soft" division all year long hasnt stopped them from winning the cup either - I dont see how all the other teams who come out of the manly amazing divisions choke it up?

Envy can turn anyone sour awfully quickly.

Meanwhile in my EHM Datsyuk feeds the puck to Hossa way too often, I have him set to shoot here and there but he just doesnt get the goals - Zetterberg however scores pretty regularly for me - but never really over 70 points - I do have him as my 2nd line Centerman though, so he is seeing a bit less ice time and his wingers are no where near the caliber of Hossa. I dont know how people get Ovechkin on their team, I try to keep my team realistic with what the league has and win that way.

Post by **joehelmer** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:07 pm

Tank821990 wrote:
Shadd666 wrote:28 games scoreless streak in the playoffs???
darn! I guess it would be better to send him in the minors and the real battle starts (aka playoffs), as he seems totally useless there...

LMAO false. He sets so much up man. That was foolish.

Wow, answering to a thread where the latest post was posted two and a half years ago?!

This problem was when EHM07 was just released, but now these two are great in the game.

opivy · Post by **opivy** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:52 pm

I didnt notice the dates, but it is good to see that the players deveolped into something much better than everyone on the site was anticipating.

RyanSmythe · Post by **RyanSmythe** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:36 pm

opivy wrote:Did anyone watch the game the other night where Dats made amazing passes, picked crosbys and malkins pockets multiple times and laid the body on everything in sight? Dats already has as many points as Crosby in the SCF after one game.

Meanwhile Zetterberg has been the one shutting him down throughout. The wings play their top forwards against the other teams top forwards in a defensive role primarily - they backcheck hard and let the other lines do the scoring.

They are probably the only team in the NHL with the depth to pull off this type of play.

Complaining about them playing in a "soft" division all year long hasnt stopped them from winning the cup either - I dont see how all the other teams who come out of the manly amazing divisions choke it up?

Envy can turn anyone sour awfully quickly.

Meanwhile in my EHM Datsyuk feeds the puck to Hossa way too often, I have him set to shoot here and there but he just doesnt get the goals - Zetterberg however scores pretty regularly for me - but never really over 70 points - I do have him as my 2nd line Centerman though, so he is seeing a bit less ice time and his wingers are no where near the caliber of Hossa. I dont know how people get Ovechkin on their team, I try to keep my team realistic with what the league has and win that way.

Last time Detroit won a cup
A Norris division Nashville matchup, Injury riddled Avs, Malkin was not found to carry the pens in the finals(not that he alone could carry the team past the Wings)
The Stars were the only good team Detroit had to play, and while the Stars were dealing with some injuries, they were destined to lose with Turco in net, regardless.

This year
A Weak Columbus team, Barely get by Anaheim(that is weaker then last year), another Norris division matchup, but Chicago is by no means weak, but Huet playing really did help the Wings....a couple of bounces in OT and the Hawks could have had a 3-2 lead in the series, and an overrated Pitts team.

They have played 2 good teams and 1 decent team... and after tonight should have 2 cups.
Your severely overrating Detroit; Zetterberg and Datsyuk are the only 2 on the entire team(in terms of forwards) that can shut down the Pens offense(Malkin and Crosby)
They have to have their depth score, and they are not the only team capable of doing it, they are the only team that has to do it, because almost all their forwards are geared towards offense(exception to a few).
However those exceptions aren't capable of shutting down the offensive talents of Malkin and Crosby.

Not that Malkin has really been shut down, 6p in 5 games.

To get back on topic though
Zetterberg IMO is top 5 player in the league, and may be the best overall player in hockey.

opivy · Post by **opivy** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:53 pm

RyanSmythe wrote:
opivy wrote:Did anyone watch the game the other night where Dats made amazing passes, picked crosbys and malkins pockets multiple times and laid the body on everything in sight? Dats already has as many points as Crosby in the SCF after one game.

Meanwhile Zetterberg has been the one shutting him down throughout. The wings play their top forwards against the other teams top forwards in a defensive role primarily - they backcheck hard and let the other lines do the scoring.

They are probably the only team in the NHL with the depth to pull off this type of play.

Complaining about them playing in a "soft" division all year long hasnt stopped them from winning the cup either - I dont see how all the other teams who come out of the manly amazing divisions choke it up?

Envy can turn anyone sour awfully quickly.

Meanwhile in my EHM Datsyuk feeds the puck to Hossa way too often, I have him set to shoot here and there but he just doesnt get the goals - Zetterberg however scores pretty regularly for me - but never really over 70 points - I do have him as my 2nd line Centerman though, so he is seeing a bit less ice time and his wingers are no where near the caliber of Hossa. I dont know how people get Ovechkin on their team, I try to keep my team realistic with what the league has and win that way.
Last time Detroit won a cup
A Norris division Nashville matchup, Injury riddled Avs, Malkin was not found to carry the pens in the finals(not that he alone could carry the team past the Wings)
The Stars were the only good team Detroit had to play, and while the Stars were dealing with some injuries, they were destined to lose with Turco in net, regardless.

This year
A Weak Columbus team, Barely get by Anaheim(that is weaker then last year), another Norris division matchup, but Chicago is by no means weak, but Huet playing really did help the Wings....a couple of bounces in OT and the Hawks could have had a 3-2 lead in the series, and an overrated Pitts team.

They have played 2 good teams and 1 decent team... and after tonight should have 2 cups.
Your severely overrating Detroit; Zetterberg and Datsyuk are the only 2 on the entire team(in terms of forwards) that can shut down the Pens offense(Malkin and Crosby)
They have to have their depth score, and they are not the only team capable of doing it, they are the only team that has to do it, because almost all their forwards are geared towards offense(exception to a few).
However those exceptions aren't capable of shutting down the offensive talents of Malkin and Crosby.

Not that Malkin has really been shut down, 6p in 5 games.

To get back on topic though
Zetterberg IMO is top 5 player in the league, and may be the best overall player in hockey.

So you're saying that its not that the Red Wings are good, but all the good teams in the playoffs had already lost?

Who was "tough" that they didn't play and would have obviously knocked them out?

Your arguement that a few bouncing pucks etc and the series goes the other way could be applied to almost any hockey series ever - the end result has still been the same, and maybe soon 5 the past 12 seasons. The idea that the Wings magically get only the good matchups and all the actual "good" teams manage to lose before they can beat the wings is just silly...

Post by **philou21** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:54 pm

Zetterberg one of the best overall player? Sorry can't agree with you, yes he can be in the top 5 or 10 but a complete player must play physical and Zetterberg don't. Sometime he could do a couple of good hit and battle against the board but not 82 games a season. If someone play physical against Henrik then he wouldn't do anything, just like the whole team. A good complete player is, Forsberg, Getzlaf and Mike Richards for exemple. Henrik have awesome skill, i agree with that but one of th most complete, he didn't even get in the top 10 for this.

RyanSmythe · Post by **RyanSmythe** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:21 pm

opivy wrote:
RyanSmythe wrote:
opivy wrote:Did anyone watch the game the other night where Dats made amazing passes, picked crosbys and malkins pockets multiple times and laid the body on everything in sight? Dats already has as many points as Crosby in the SCF after one game.

Meanwhile Zetterberg has been the one shutting him down throughout. The wings play their top forwards against the other teams top forwards in a defensive role primarily - they backcheck hard and let the other lines do the scoring.

They are probably the only team in the NHL with the depth to pull off this type of play.

Complaining about them playing in a "soft" division all year long hasnt stopped them from winning the cup either - I dont see how all the other teams who come out of the manly amazing divisions choke it up?

Envy can turn anyone sour awfully quickly.

Meanwhile in my EHM Datsyuk feeds the puck to Hossa way too often, I have him set to shoot here and there but he just doesnt get the goals - Zetterberg however scores pretty regularly for me - but never really over 70 points - I do have him as my 2nd line Centerman though, so he is seeing a bit less ice time and his wingers are no where near the caliber of Hossa. I dont know how people get Ovechkin on their team, I try to keep my team realistic with what the league has and win that way.
Last time Detroit won a cup
A Norris division Nashville matchup, Injury riddled Avs, Malkin was not found to carry the pens in the finals(not that he alone could carry the team past the Wings)
The Stars were the only good team Detroit had to play, and while the Stars were dealing with some injuries, they were destined to lose with Turco in net, regardless.

This year
A Weak Columbus team, Barely get by Anaheim(that is weaker then last year), another Norris division matchup, but Chicago is by no means weak, but Huet playing really did help the Wings....a couple of bounces in OT and the Hawks could have had a 3-2 lead in the series, and an overrated Pitts team.

They have played 2 good teams and 1 decent team... and after tonight should have 2 cups.
Your severely overrating Detroit; Zetterberg and Datsyuk are the only 2 on the entire team(in terms of forwards) that can shut down the Pens offense(Malkin and Crosby)
They have to have their depth score, and they are not the only team capable of doing it, they are the only team that has to do it, because almost all their forwards are geared towards offense(exception to a few).
However those exceptions aren't capable of shutting down the offensive talents of Malkin and Crosby.

Not that Malkin has really been shut down, 6p in 5 games.

To get back on topic though
Zetterberg IMO is top 5 player in the league, and may be the best overall player in hockey.
So you're saying that its not that the Red Wings are good, but all the good teams in the playoffs had already lost?

Who was "tough" that they didn't play and would have obviously knocked them out?

Your arguement that a few bouncing pucks etc and the series goes the other way could be applied to almost any hockey series ever - the end result has still been the same, and maybe soon 5 the past 12 seasons. The idea that the Wings magically get only the good matchups and all the actual "good" teams manage to lose before they can beat the wings is just silly...

I said could have gone the other way...Didn't say it would. I did not say they don't play good teams but the last 2 years they have had it pretty easy.
I'm not saying the Wings aren't any good, but
they have gotten lucky the last 2 years of being able to avoid back to back taxing series, they are a soft team, and the only reason, being soft hasn't interfered with them winning a cup is because, they've gotten 1 tough team a year and played weak teams the rest of the playoffs.

The Wings are overrated, their not a bad team, but they aren't as great as you think they are.
Sure they're capable of beating every other team in a 7game series, but put them in a back to back series with tough teams and they aren't going anywhere

Philou...who would you consider top 5 in the league?
You going to throw out Zetterberg because he isn't extremely physical...Does everything else great, but doesn't hit everything in sight so he's not top 5....Who is
Crosby?...No defensive talent to speak of, not overly physical either..
Malkin?...A lot better defensively then Crosby, but hardly great, not overly physical either...throws cheap shots
Ovechkin?...Does he even no what Defense is?
Lecavalier?...again no defense
Datsyuk?..Disappears in the playoffs, not overly physical either
Thornton?...Disappears in the playoffs.
Iginla?
Getzlaf?... kind of a cheap shot artist, but other then that would fit the bill

Post by **philou21** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:32 pm

Sorry if i express things not correctly. Yes he could be in the top 5 of the best player in the league because he got an awesome talent. But he he's not a ''complete'' player, i said that if you put him in the top for the complete player he woudln't be in the top 10, but in the NHL he could make the top 10 for the best player, sorry if you didn't read correctly, i mispell something maybe.