Carolina Hurricanes: Challenge 2.1 Chat Thread

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Carolina Hurricanes: Challenge 2.1 Chat Thread

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As mentioned numerous times, our second Challenge is just waiting for the release of the final EHM 2005 patch. The latest estimate for it's release from Riz has been: "Currently looking at the last few minor fixes and hoping to build the patches at the start of next week."

When it does become available we can begin. That of course means:

For Challenge 2.1 we will be taking over as GM of the Carolina Hurricanes, using the latest patch 2.1.3. Users will be able to choose if they want to use the default database or if they want to instead use the Unfaking 1.0 (only) database. Any other database project (Smetana and Unfaking Team's v2) changes player statistics and will not be allowed as we need to make sure people are all playing on an "even playing field".

We will be releasing a guide showing people how to run a Challenge team even if you've got another game running under a different database so it shouldn't be an issue for people 8-)

Challenge players, make sure you read the three announcement threads about the Challenge setup/rules so you set your game up correctly and know what you need to do to record your stats.

Beside that this will be the thread to chat about the Challenge; you are encouraged to do a writeup of your team's progress after recording your stats for a section. That can include screenshots you can upload to your Gallery. Some things you might want to mention: Big games, top players, player transactions, player awards, and anything about your approach to running your team (what you're still looking to do, what kind of team you are looking to put together, what tactics you're using, why you brought in who you have, etc) 8-)
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So who thinks I can pull off a 15 player deal with the Sabres? :-D



Goodluck to everyone, and remember 2nd place is nothing more then the first loser. :-p
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With the release of the 2.1.3 patch people are allowed to begin their games as GM of Carolina. The rules in the Announce Threads 1-3 havev been updated. Remember you are REQUIRED to know and follow those rules. Keep in mind the Challenge Forum is a no-edit forum to protect people's recorded data (and, yes, to influence people to make sure they have it right before posting!! :minty: )

We will be adding some more information to the Forum soon, including a Guide to using your game with more than one database (so you can continue a game w/Smetana rosters for example and still play in the Challenge). Those of you who don't need that information can start your teams immediately. We'll have a new addition to the forum soon but until we get that going allow me to make that information available here until then:
You are required to fully read Announce Threads 1-3 before beginning any Challenge.

For Challenge 2.1 you will GM Carolina, using patch 2.1.3 and either the default database or the Unfaking 1.0 database project only. At least NHL/AHL/ECHL/AAL-3 & 4 plus Canada should be run at "enchanced", you may choose other leagues and start from an earlier date. You may also run your AHL team as a second GM.

You can ONLY trade draft picks from the upcoming draft and must stay within 1 million (US) of the Board's assigned budget.

Stats are to be posted in full and correctly every twenty games or bonus points may be suspended. Data is required to be ONLY the stats for that section of games. Along with your Games 60-82 set you report number of playoff wins.
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Good luck everyone, may the best man win :D. Ill be starting the challenge in 3 days and I am sure it is gonna be alot of fun, especially seeing if we can match how well the Canes are doing in rl atm.
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I just joined up and I'm starting my game now. Looks like it should be fun. I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to pry Staal away from the Hurricanes in my regular Bruins game for a while now. It'll be nice to actually have him (and Jack Johnson, who I finally got them to trade to me) to use right away.

Good luck!
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Welcome fellow Bruins fan! It's great that you've found your way over here. I remember you from Susie :cool:

Did you remember to send a PM to Minstrel to say that you want in? It's just so that he knows who's playing - he needs to know how many people area playing so that he can sort out the bonus points once everyone has finished each quarter, etc. Also, it indicates that you've read the rules ;)
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Yup! I emailed him and indicated that I read the rules (and I actually read them, not just indicated that I did). I remember you and Minstrel from the Susie challenges too (besides the SI forum). That's why I came over here. I had a great time with those challenges at Susie and you guys were the ones running them, IIRC. It sounded like a good reason to check these out. Since we're allowed, I'm going to use the Unfaked 1.0 data. I like Smetana's best but this will do.

It's tough to be a Bruins fan these days! I worry about what other bad moves Mike O'Connell might make. If only the Bruins would hire me to take his place!
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I just PM'd Minstrel that I'd like to get in. All the rule threads are a bit confusing though, and the automatic excel sheet doesn't include those instructions like the zip file does (which confused me the most initially). Anyway, the rules themselves were pretty straightforward and the automatic sheet will make the reports simple.

Oh and I'm using unfaked 1.0 data with 2.1.3 naturally :) Just re-downloaded and reinstalled the unfake 1.0 to make sure no files are modified also.
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We'll try to clear things up a bit for everyone... the flu has been going around TBL Headquarters so it's been a bit of Arch and I telling each other what to do regarding the Challenge so some details have become a bit unclear. Hopefully we'll answer everyone's questions. I PM'd both you and bruins72 regarding your questions and I'm just about to re-run through the Challenge instructions in light of the new Calcs sheet, wasn't sure when we'd actually be able to make that available. 8-)

You will see that we did add the reminder box witht he rules summary I'd alluded to as one of our new things for this Challenge. ;)
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Okay, I've clarified the Challenge Announce Threads and also updated our GLR recording site so it should open to the Carolina Challenge now, but you can still access the Washington stats from the 'Season' pulldown menu. 8-)
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Just entered the challenge. Now all the people who have already entered have the relief that they will not come in last place. I'll probably be fired before the end of the season :roll:. I'm pretty glad to finally get round to some NHL managing rather than the same old SM-Liiga stuff.

Good luck everyone :1st:
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And the building of a killer team has started...

In otherwords, I just fired the entire coaching staff, failed to hire the ones I wanted and am now without ANY coach at all *cries*. On top of that I've failed to get any key trades done, though some salary dumping has happened along with improvements for the 3rd and 4th line depth.
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Just finished up my first twenty games of the new challenge and it's been a rough year so far. Staal has exactly ONE goal so far along with 7 assists. No lie. My leading scorer is Justin Williams with a whopping 7. Cory Stillman played in the first 16 games before tearing his UCL, he's out for 4 months. I still think I can pull it together, I'm 7-10-3, tied for 11th in the East. It's still early enough to make a run for the postseason. As for trades, nothing major...
I gave up 2 4th rounders and a 6th rounder to Buffalo for winger Ales Kotalik, 6 points so far.
Gave up Mike Zigomanis and Andrew Hutchinson to Nashville for winger Adam Hall and a 4th round pick.
Tried to aquire Langenbrunner and Brylin from Devils as they were put on waivers but could obtain neither.
An interesting couple of stats... My PP% at home is a respectable 12.3%.. on the road it is 7.4%....PK% at home 84%... on the road 72%.. ahh very frustrating..
I am working on a few trades, trying to get rid of maybe Hedican or Wesley as many teams are interested in them...
I will post my lines, tactics and strategies at some other point because I quite honestly need to change them up quite a bit. As for Stall, yes he is on line one and of course on the PP as well. One goal.... wow
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Traditionally the first 20 games of a Challenge season are pretty rough... hang in there!
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Erm I have a slight problem...

While having a smoke in the balcony, my daughter (1½ years old) yet again decided it'd be a fun thing to do to press the reset button. I had played about 15 games (4W-10L-1OTL) and hadn't saved at all. Is it ok for everyone if I simply restart or does this automatically disqualify me? ](*,)
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Borlag wrote:Erm I have a slight problem...

While having a smoke in the balcony, my daughter (1½ years old) yet again decided it'd be a fun thing to do to press the reset button. I had played about 15 games (4W-10L-1OTL) and hadn't saved at all. Is it ok for everyone if I simply restart or does this automatically disqualify me? ](*,)
Well, since the admins are propably sleeping, I've already started a new season and gone through the pre-season. All done by the rules. If the decision is that I'm disqualified due to that screw up then I'll just do this as a fun test of what I can do with the 'canes :)
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Eh, you didn't get past the 20 game mark, so I doubt it's important, but of course, my opinion matters little. 8-)
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Borlag wrote:
Borlag wrote:Well, since the admins are propably sleeping, I've already started a new season and gone through the pre-season. All done by the rules. If the decision is that I'm disqualified due to that screw up then I'll just do this as a fun test of what I can do with the 'canes :)
What's sleep? :nosleep:
I'm afraid such shenanigans will not only get you bounced from the Challenge but also banned from TBL :banned:

:-D Just kiddin of course; yeah feel free to start over. No prob; for your own sanity you may want to set the auto-save feature on though 8-)
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First day of the new NHL season and I have made a grand total of 1 trade. I still don't have a good goalie or a star attacker. Brind'Amour is still taking one sixth of my money. All is not bad however, I came an optomistic 29[sup]th[/sup] in the Season Preview. At least Minnesota are worse than me. :joy:
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And here's my humble little team full of nobodies :joy:

Stillman - Rolston - Jagr
Cole - Staal - Williams
Whitney - Avery - Ortmeyer
Ladd - Adams - Adams

Wesley - Smith
Tverdovsky - Ward
Wallin - Eminger

Lundqvist - Gerber

Backups in the system: Commodore for D, Nordgren LW, Cullen C, Boulerice R. None of the others can really be even considered for that. If the *beep* hits the fan in the form of injuries, I still have some picks left for trade, along wth the majority of my unsigned prospects. Not to forget Whitney who can be cut loose if I need room for salaries.

As a result of these transactions I am now sitting at 30M$ total salaries with 29M$ budget (28,25M estimate cost) which places me exactly at the maximum allowed without minus points.

Transaction details:
Jed Ortmeyer --> Rights to Ed Hill and Tim Kunes, CAR 4th round pick 2006
Jaromir Jagr --> Brind'Amour, rights to Jakub Vojta, CAR 2nd round pick 2006
Jason Smith --> Rights to Justin Peters, TOR 4th, CAR 6th and CAR 7th round picks of 2006
ATL 4th pick --> Mike Zigomanis
Sean Avery --> Frantisek Kaberle
Brian Rolston --> Pavel Brendl and Radim Vrbata
LA 2nd pick --> Bret Hedican
Hutchinson dumped to waivers, claimed by Oilers
Steve Eminger --> Josef Vasicek, rights to Kyle Lawson and Nicolas Blanchard
Henrik Lundqvist - -> Cam Ward, rights to Jack Johnson, CAR 1st round pick 2006

As can be seen I changed the team ALOT. First priority was to get more reliable defensemen who's fitness wouldn't be that big concern so that they could actually play 1st or 2nd pair roles. With the addition of Smith and Eminger I feel that I'm capable of doing that. On top of this the salaries on defense were cut by almost a million. Second thing that I wanted was reliable penaltykillers, that's where the Adams-Adams-Ortmeyer trio step in. I've previously used both Adams' succesfully for this purpose and while then I've had to trade for them, now I had to trade only for Ortmeyer. The fourth penaltykiller, Avery, was a spur of the moment thing when LA wanted Kaberle off from me. I didn't want the loser they offered but instead chose to ask for Avery and they were fine with it. On top of this I felt that I just had to let Brind'Amour walk. His salary was way too big and I just knew he wouldn't put numbers good enough to warrant that. The Rangers were the only team interested in him so I chose to go for Jagr, who'd be a sure bet to put those numbers, despite my dislike for him otherwise. Rolston was simply the center suitable for #1 spot that I could get my hands on, and he was easily pried away from Wild.

As for that Lundqvist deal...perhaps that was sheer insanity, perhaps it was because I was tired, who knows. Either way after making the other deals I noticed that I still had my 1st round pick, and I still had Jack Johnson unsigned. Those two were perhaps my most valuable assets in terms of trading so I chose to go for the jackpot first. To cut the story short, Crosby wasn't available for 1st pick, LA's 2nd pick, Johnson and Staal, Phaneuf also wasn't available for 1st & Johnson so I went for the 3rd alternative; Lundqvist. Rangers accepted it without hesitating one bit. Both the board and the fans hated me for doing the deal and I can easily see why though. Trading away one of the top defensemen prospects in the game, my 1st pick which is likely to be top 10 pick (if the media is to be believed), along with the bluechip prospect in Cam Ward. Since this is a one season challenge however, I chose to ignore all those aspects and go for it.

I'm not too worried about the leadership on the team as both Wesley and Smith bring loads of it, the defensive side of the team looks pretty solid even though it could be improved loads still, same with the forwards. Not a topline that would compete as the best line on the NHL, in the conference or even the division. Yet I'm not too worried about that either, they should be good enough to score.
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Wow, Borlag, you've brought in some pretty big names. I was pretty shocked to see the caliber of your top three offensive lines. I'll be interested to see whether you can pull this off...
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archibalduk wrote:Wow, Borlag, you've brought in some pretty big names. I was pretty shocked to see the caliber of your top three offensive lines. I'll be interested to see whether you can pull this off...
The only thing I really worry about it now is the injuries and whether I can make the lines click or not. I don't think I made too much and too big changes that the team would fall into pieces because of it, atleast I hope I didn't.

3 games behind, 1st one started off great with Jagr scoring twice in the first five minutes. Forsberg decided to steal the show however and he also scored twice. Won that in the shootouts by goals from Rolston, Tverdovsky and Williams (6 rounds). Next two I've lost straight up and Lundqvist has been very shaky. On top of that I lost Wallin to an injury in the 3rd game but it's only a week so definitely not hitting any panic buttons heh.

Next update coming at the 20 game marker :)
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A bit rough start to the season but still hanging in there pretty well. I started with a shootout victory against the Flyers, followed by 2 straight 5-1 losses against the Leafs and the Devils. Losing Wallin for a week in the Devils game didn't help, though the next game I "only" lost 2-4. After this it has been basically win-lose-win-lose up to game 12 where my only real star of the team, Jaromir Jagr had his finger broken. He was out of the lineup for 2 weeks (6 games).

To this point the only change in lineups have been some minor shuffling of the lines, Whitney was dumped to the 4th line initially, he also got some PP time as the pointman. Stillman has been an absolute disaster having a +/- rate of -10 in 12 games and he earned a demotion to the second line after only 3 games. Now with Jagr gone I chose to move Rolston on the right wing and Stillman to center the top line. I hope this isn't a mistake but I don't really have much choice either. Williams just doesn't have the stamina to do topline time. This move also made Whitney to rise up to the wing of the second line. Before his injury, Jagr had 10+8 in 12 games, tying him on the 1st place in goals with Elias, Mogilny, Alfredsson and Näslund, along with tying up for the 4th position in points totals with Mogilny. League leaders at this point were Näslund and Alfredsson with 10+10 and Elias with 10+9. Highlights to this point has been Jagr's 3+1 against the Capitals.

By the time I got Jagr back I hadn't suffered that greatly, 8W, 8L, 2O/SL and a 10th spot of the conference. His return couldn't be anything but positive so overall I'm quite happy with the way the team is performing. As a funny sidenote, Lindros's season was ended at this point because of a UCL tear, he'll be back in time for the playoffs if the Leafs make it. With Jagr back, the record improved to 9/9/2 and I raised to 9th spot in the conference.

Stats and such are in the report thread. My 2nd line is causing me some loss of hair though, +/- for the line is ranging from -10 to -12. Staal's had only 5 assists in 20 games and is almost begging me to replace him with an experienced center capable of putting up the numbers. Only problem is that I'd have to drop either Stillman or Whitney to make room for the wage of a better player and no one's interested in taking either of them from me.
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Now that the lines have been found and there's not that much shuffling around anymore, the pairs have started to form. The great start that Jagr had didn't continue after his recovery from the broken finger, but he hasn't exactly been bad either. The most surprising aspect of his game has been his defensive play (?!?). I mean he's out there checking people and not just waiting to get the puck and to put it in net. He's also throwing himself in front of the puck nearly in every game and after 40 games is ranked 5th on the team for shots blocked. Rolston on the other hand is exceeding all expectations I had for him; 12th in the league for both goals and assists, 4th in total points. Cole was also permanently moved to the second line so that Stillman's passing ability is put to use. It's paid off great as both 1st and 2nd line has started to produce quite nicely with Cole leading the team with 25 goals (25+25) and Rolston in assists and points (22+29). Stillman also started climbing back on the + side instead of constant minus and what's best, Cole's defensive play seems to have a great effect for the 2nd line and they're also climbing towards + side :)

As for the 3rd and 4th lines...nothing spectacular there. They're doing a solid defensive job night after night but not putting basically any points up themselves. Still can't be dissappointed at them, on the contrary. I believe I can thank the "Adams family" and Ortmeyer for shutting down opponents and giving me my longest streak yet; 5 games won in a row with 7 undefeated. Highest position I've been to has been 5th, though I've had 1-3 more games played than the next 3 teams and they've all been within 1 point from me. If nothing drastic happens in the form of injuries or a bad slump, I'm starting to believe that I really can make it to the playoffs. Division victory is near impossible however, with the way Tampa's playing, it's either them or the Devils who will take the presidents trophy. West seems pretty quiet at that as no one stands out that much yet.

Anyway....Like before, the actual stats are on the report thread. Putting up some mid term pics up for my gallery too. I'm going to wait for a bit before continuing this game for the games 41-60, so that others can chime in and catch up. After seeing what I can do with trades in 2.1.3 for Carolina, I'm anxious in re-starting my dynasty with the Penguins in 2.1.3 and fix my previous mistakes there :)
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Err...minor mistake, Rolston 14th in goals, 12th in assists and 8th in total points in the league. Kept writing that as I played and that was the situation at game 36 :)

Uploading the pics to my gallery now for finances at this point, trades, standings and team stats.
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