Larger Country Flags Project

thecoolstuff · Post by **thecoolstuff** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:46 am

I just have a small request for Minstrel or anyone that are good at graphic stuff. I hope you guys can update the national flags in EHM05. Apparently, there's a few nation doesnt have the correct flag ex: Taiwan. and many country doesnt even have a flag! I saw archi's flags pictures in the gallery and I think it would be great to make sure all the nation have a flag. just a small request.

thx

Post by **Minstrel** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:01 am

Makes me think of an old testing days project we were testing out but there were display bugs at the time with the flag icons in the game... I can look into it again tommorow sometime though. I didn't collect the flag they are based upon though so it could hold the same issues you mention... but at least I'd be able to create a correction more easily. It would take a crazy amount of time to match up with the flag gfx in the game, it would be obvious that there are ones that weren't from the original set.

Moved to Graphics Forum

thecoolstuff · Post by **thecoolstuff** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:41 pm

thx so much minstrel for taking the time and look into it.

I hope you can find the time to do it.

Post by **Minstrel** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:51 am

So for those of you who hadn't noticed this thread, yeah I just renamed it to reflect that I have recently posted to the TBL Server a project that contains 200+ larger country flags for your game as shown below:

Done!!

As I mentioned the sources for this were all compiled by Jeff Riddols so credit goes to him. If you notice any changes that might need to be made just post about them here.

Here's a download page link.

Let me know what you think

Post by **archibalduk** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:14 am

Whoa man nice work! Considering there's 200 of them, you did it very quickly!

Post by **Minstrel** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:31 am

Yeah, didn't take too long since the cropped versions I converted for these were larger than this and Jeff had already made all the "what section of the flag should I use" decisions. That's the kind of thing, the testing and decisions etc that sucks up your project time. Since I trust Jeff's 'eye' for this one I just processed them really.

Post by **archibalduk** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:12 am

There's only so much space in those boxes for flags. I think it's a good job - the Russian flag is instantly recognisable. If you were to keep the flag in proportion then you'd have blank spaces in the boxes

Post by **E5150_ca** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:09 am

Great job as always Minty

Post by **Minstrel** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:14 pm

kidhander wrote:
Minstrel wrote:
kidhander wrote:Mint, what did you do with the russian flag????
Reread either of my messages in this thread, the message in the read me, or the file description a few times and decide again if you want to ask me why a certain flag looks the way it does.
No need nor intent to argue.
Simply i dont like how the russian flag is rended in this addon. It is a horizontal flag and horizontal should remain. Full stop, there were no reasons to jump on me that way. For germany flag it's the same.
Opinions are like balls, everyone has its own, used to say someone...

There was also no reason to find yet another negative thing to say about yet another project, full stop. Maybe you don't realize that you have a negative comment about every project someone posts about, but if you don't you can check other threads in this forum to see it in black and white.

I commented as I did in this thread for that reason especially since in this case your response seems to also say "I'm not only going to find fault with it, I'm also going to ignore whatever the person who created the file has said about the file in his comments" which, yes, are in fact made in three different locations. So it would seem to show that you didn't read the thread and/or think about your response prior to posting to ask me "what I did with" the Russian flag. I did nothing but process it as a source.

So as you apparently didn't read the thread you were making a reply to I asked you to do so before clarifying yourself, which I think is reasonable. If you care to speak to me about "jumping on you" any further you should do so via private message so I don't need to explain myself in this amount of detail in a thread about a graphics problem.

BlackCats101 · Post by **BlackCats101** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:35 pm

As Trevor Brooking used to say on Pro Evo 4 (in a strangely Cockney accent)...'everyone just needs to cahm dahnnnn'

Post by **joehelmer** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:53 pm

Yeah, calm down everybody. There's no reason to argue.

Great job as always Minty adn, of course, Jeff.

Post by **Minstrel** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:58 am

Javs wrote:
Minstrel wrote:
kidhander wrote: No need nor intent to argue.
Simply i dont like how the russian flag is rended in this addon. It is a horizontal flag and horizontal should remain. Full stop, there were no reasons to jump on me that way. For germany flag it's the same.
Opinions are like balls, everyone has its own, used to say someone...
There was also no reason to find yet another negative thing to say about yet another project, full stop. Maybe you don't realize that you have a negative comment about every project someone posts about, but if you don't you can check other threads in this forum to see it in black and white.

I commented as I did in this thread for that reason especially since in this case your response seems to also say "I'm not only going to find fault with it, I'm also going to ignore whatever the person who created the file has said about the file in his comments" which, yes, are in fact made in three different locations. So it would seem to show that you didn't read the thread and/or think about your response prior to posting to ask me "what I did with" the Russian flag. I did nothing but process it as a source.

So as you apparently didn't read the thread you were making a reply to I asked you to do so before clarifying yourself, which I think is reasonable. If you care to speak to me about "jumping on you" any further you should do so via private message so I don't need to explain myself in this amount of detail in a thread about a graphics problem.
I think you misread HIM. He simply said why not do it horizontal? like you did with the latvia flag?

IMO I think you over reacted to him asking a question....

Okay, yeah. I'm locking this thread... and deleting all of the above quoted messages as they are here copied so that there can be no editing/rewriting history alllowed to go on.

And Javs? Again I repeat; it wasn't me who made the decisions that took the full-sized flag sources down to the cropped portions that I had in a larger size on my drive and decided to work them up by sizing them to a size the would work in the game (initially they were 70x20 and these are around 46x16 I think it was. After resizing I added the bevel to mimic the games' current flag logos.

So with regard to "What I did with Russia" or "Did with the Latvia flag"? The orientation or cropping of Latvia, or Russia or Germany or Iceland or Jamaica wasn't my call. All I can say is like with any project if you don't like the design decisions made by the author then stay with the default graphics. I thought people might enjoy it but instead am reminded that the only time someone makes a comment about an add-on someone has spent their own time on to hopefully make your game look better and be more fun is if someone doesn't like something about it. And yes, as a project person myself I can say that that does indeed suck and frustrates me personally.

I've gone very very far out of my way to try and make clear that that author in this case is not me, it was based on sources created for an early project by Jeff Riddols. I did only USA and Canada as I'm not sure which of the files I have were Jeff's intended originals as we were bouncing test images off each other for both Canada and USA so I had like a dozen test versions of each in the file so I decided to remake both instead.

As for whatever kidhander said, meant, or didn't mean that is a moderation matter that I responded to publicly simply with explanation for why I responded as I did. I only did so publicly as he decided to claim to everyone that I had "no reasons" to call his post into question; when I most certainly do and that response contains a statement of those reasons. I apologize for having to do that "in the open" but I do my absolute best to NOT edit or delete people's messages.

However, no matter how much we want TBL to be a happy family and we love ya all like brothers don't forget that we do, in fact, run this place and as your parents might say "own this house" and that is actually the only "reason" we need provide for anything a user of this board posts. "As long as you are living under our (cyber)roof you'll follow our rules." Is that clear to everyone?

Feel free to message me regarding these kinds of things or if you don't like the way I or anyone here ahs handled anything. I also give you all permission to feel free to not like me as an authority figure or even personally. I'm 37 years old and it doesn't cause me to lose sleep at night thinking someone half way aroudn the world may not like me because I hold them to the rules. It comes with the job, that's why we joke that I am the "bad cop" to Arch's usual role as Officer Friendly aka Good Cop.

While I prefer to be everyone's friend know as a certainty that without exception I will intervene in board matters when I feel someone has stepped over the line. And yes, go ahead and ask them... I hold the other members of the TBL Admin Team to the very same standard. However, I also extend every one of you who come here the respect to never just do things and say "Because I said so that's why. If you don't like it you don't have to post here" like we've all seen tons of board/site admins do.

I will always give my reasoning for any board related decision that comes to light publically or privately. You can feel free to say "I understand your point of view but disagree" but do not question or "call me out" about not being fair. I actually don't owe anyone fairness; yet I do give it to everyone without exception as a courtesy and because that is how the TBL Team wants to treat users of our board, like extended family not royal subjects. You don't own or run this place however, we do. We don't as a team, and I speak for myself especially here, want to or enjoy having to remind people of the simple fact that we run this place and can do so as we please without consulting you, the users, first. Keep in mind you have no "right" to have access to TBL; you do however have the priviledge to do so as well as our encouragement and welcome to call TBL home. In return for this priviledge all we ask is that you play by the rules.

We are The Law but we'd rather help you find your way around town than have to step in to enforce the rules

We will do so whenever we feel it necessary however, my own personal manner of dealing with such things is to as I have here explain my actions fully but that is what I choose to do. Don't take it or my being everyone's best friend in the threads the wrong way; cross the line you'll meet up with Bad Cop Minty and I can't say you'll like the difference I'd guess.

So, that is why I'm closing this thread and using this as a platform to cover the matter of board moderation which we don't like to hit people over the head with; because there is no more need for public discussion of any matters covered in this thread. Period.

Feel free to message me or any member of the TBL Team if you continue to have question/comment on any of this.