Editing league rules and structures in EHM 1

Post by **archibalduk** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:18 pm

archibalduk wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:03 pm Somehow I've managed to mess up the 1990 playable NHL and now get the error mentioned below. It pops-up three times but it seems just two teams are missing from the league (Quebec and Winnipeg). I hadn't touched any of the NHL's settings - all I did was tweak the AHL and add the ECHL. So I'm not sure what I've done to cause the error. I have double-checked everything (including the team's Division and Detailed Division settings) and all looks fine. I'll probably start this from scratch at some point seeing as I kept backups of all my spreadsheets.

CUSTOM_LEAGUE::draw_competition() - unable to find all the initial teams (National Hockey League)

It turns out that the game was not loading two of the Canadian teams (the NHL being a US league in the DB) because they did not have any players or staff assigned to them. I had set their player budgets, reputation, etc but I wonder if the reputation setting was not high enough in order for them to be loaded. Enabling the "Add players to playable teams" setting solves the issue in the meantime. The issue should be resolved once I have added some staff.

TBIF · Post by **TBIF** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:17 pm

Would the 2000-01 AHL/IHL leagues be able to made playable? 20 teams in the AHL and 11 teams in the IHL.

thegreaterikku · Post by **thegreaterikku** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:44 pm

archibalduk wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:28 pm Yes it should be possible. As you say, it's just a case of tinkering with a clone of the Memorial Cup.

Thanks for confirming. I tried it for a bit and got errors since I wanted only one stage (maybe I didn't remove everything).. but I'll try adding the Cup finalist of both leagues if it's possible to keep the format to 4 teams.

Post by **archibalduk** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:37 pm

TBIF wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:17 pm Would the 2000-01 AHL/IHL leagues be able to made playable? 20 teams in the AHL and 11 teams in the IHL.

The 1990/91 IHL? Yes that's the plan. It is very similar in structure to the 90/91 ECHL which I've setup. The challenge is the schedule which I'm going to have to make myself and won't be 100% accurate.

I don't want to take this thread off topic, but I'll post more details in a separate thread in due course.

TBIF · Post by **TBIF** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:42 pm

archibalduk wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:37 pm
TBIF wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:17 pm Would the 2000-01 AHL/IHL leagues be able to made playable? 20 teams in the AHL and 11 teams in the IHL.
The 1990/91 IHL? Yes that's the plan. It is very similar in structure to the 90/91 ECHL which I've setup. The challenge is the schedule which I'm going to have to make myself and won't be 100% accurate.

I don't want to take this thread off topic, but I'll post more details in a separate thread in due course.

I'm slowly working on a 2000-01 Season mod, but haven't completely got league structures down yet. If you can get the 90-91 season to work then I'm sure the 2000's would be fine.

Post by **archibalduk** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:02 am

TBIF wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:42 pmI'm slowly working on a 2000-01 Season mod, but haven't completely got league structures down yet. If you can get the 90-91 season to work then I'm sure the 2000's would be fine.

Ah I see. You might have a bit more luck with the schedules than I given that there are probably more readily available records for the 2000/01 season online. I have been able to piece together most of the ECHL 90/91 schedule using dropyourgloves.com and some photos of printed schedules for sale on ebay. I think all I'm missing now are 13 games for the Erie Panthers. I can probably approximate it, but I'd rather find the actual schedule because it can get a bit fiddly trying to find suitable dates in which to insert the missing games. I've actually been able to locate schedules in online newspaper archives but you have to pay in order to view them - and I'm not willing to go to that length!

It looks like you *might* be able to obtain the IHL's 2000/01 schedule on the old IHL website via the Internet Archive here: https://web.archive.org/web/20010603113 ... index.html

echl.com and echl.org are also available on the Internet Archive and I expect ahl.com is too. So you might be able to locate the 2000/01 schedules that way. Unfortunately there isn't any material dating back to 1990/91 for my purposes.

Avery03C · Post by **Avery03C** » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:50 am

So after much trial and tribulation, I've successfully created a 60 team NHL. 31 NHL teams, 29 KHL teams. Finally I no longer get the "can't find all initial teams(National Hockey League). But now after picking a team to launch into the game with, the game crashes. I'm so close to getting this to work, anyone know what I need to do from here?

Geordie_Bolts · Post by **Geordie_Bolts** » Sun May 26, 2019 3:03 pm

Hey everyone, just a quick question around adding/editing leagues. I can't seem to see it mentioned anywhere else on here but what impact doe the "League Classification" (Domestic League, Domestic College, Domestic Junior U20 etc) have on how the league functions? Does it impact on how that league's player recruitment works for example?
Thanks for any insight you can provide

plaaplaa72 · Post by **plaaplaa72** » Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:08 pm

Hey, i've tried to add Relegation playoffs between to leagues (Lowest finish in upper leaguevs. playoff champion in the lower, 7 games to determine promotion/relegation, or staying in their respective leagues)

But i can't manage to make it work when i select both leagues at the start of a save. If i only select the upper league, the Relegation Playoffs appear, and work great. But if i select both the upper and lower leagues as playable leagues, the Relegation Playoffs never start.

Any advice?

Post by **archibalduk** » Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:34 pm

The most common issues I have encountered when trying to create playable leagues are:

A stage not completing before the next stage is triggered (e.g. because the preceding stage does not complete all of its games before the next stage and/or the preceding stage does not identify who should progress to the next stage);
A stage failing to trigger the next stage; and
Failing to draw the correct number of teams from one stage to another.

Based on what you're saying, it seems that the upper league is working okay (or it could be that the issue with the upper league is only caused when the lower league is running - but I'll assume not for now). This sounds like the relevant stage of the lower league is not completed before the upper league's relegation playoffs begin. I.e. it the lower league's playoffs are not complete before the relegation playoffs are triggered and/or before the draw date of the relegation playoffs.

Things I suggest checking:

What is the date on which the final game of the lower league playoffs will take place if you assume that the series goes down to its final game? E.g. if it is a seven game series, on what date is Game #7?
In the Schedule Dates setting for the relegation playoffs, what is the Draw Date? This should be no earlier than the same date as Game #7 of the lower league playoffs because otherwise there will be no playoff winning team to be drawn into the relegation playoffs.
Have you set up the relevant Upper Competition and Lower Competition on the Basic Data tab of each playable league?
In the relegation playoffs stage, have you included the stage number of the lower league playoffs in the Extra Stage To Draw Teams From setting?
Have you set the relevant Fate Rules for the lower league's playoffs? IIRC these should be set to "Champions" and "Promotion From Stage".

Post by **archibalduk** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:45 pm

Random snippet of information: If you want to create a league using the 2014/15 EIHL style with three simultaneous stages consisting of two conference stages plus an overall standings stage which acts as an inter conference schedule stage, you must set the Detailed Division of each club to the appropriate conference. You cannot just use the pre-set generic conference names in Rules & Structures but must instead create the conferences via the Club Competitions tab. If the clubs do not have an appropriate conference set via Detailed Division then you'll get an error in EHM saying "Cannot create inter conference schedule".

Note that this style of setup only works with a two conference league AFAIK. When I expanded the EIHL to a three conference setup, I had to remove the overall standings stage as it seemingly couldn't create an inter conference schedule. I had to use a schedule template instead.

Hockeyiow86 · Post by **Hockeyiow86** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:38 am

archibalduk wrote: Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:40 pm
Hockeyiow86 wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:54 pm I can never get the dates to match what I put in the editor. September/ October always packs the fixtures in and sometimes have 5 or 6 games in a row. Tried so many different options in the editor but nothing works. November onwards seems to be fine as do play off dates ect.
Yes I know your pain. It seems the game struggles with fixture congestion somewhat. I think adding some additional dates helps to some extent. E.g. if you have a league where each team plays 20 games, try adding something like 25 dates. I mentioned this to Riz last year and I believe he was going to look into it

Arch.... I think a found a solution for this. Certainly works with the new schedule editor. If you set the priority to -2 instead of 0 or -1 is puts the schedule exactly how you want it

Kart99 · Post by **Kart99** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:54 pm

Hi,

I apologies for this in advance but I'm really at the end of my tether with it. I've just got back into the bug of editing again and set about creating a 30 team Elite League in the Uk - something which I managed to do in the game previously successfully but when I try and do it this time round I just cannot get it to work - it crashes as the initializing game data loading section when you create a new game. I've tried everything I have though of to try and fix it - from redoing the league to editing teams and rules and settings. I'm totally stumped. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Post by **xECK29x** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:34 pm

Kart99 wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:54 pm Hi,

I apologies for this in advance but I'm really at the end of my tether with it. I've just got back into the bug of editing again and set about creating a 30 team Elite League in the Uk - something which I managed to do in the game previously successfully but when I try and do it this time round I just cannot get it to work - it crashes as the initializing game data loading section when you create a new game. I've tried everything I have though of to try and fix it - from redoing the league to editing teams and rules and settings. I'm totally stumped. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Any chance you can upload the DB? That's going to be the easiest way for us to troubleshoot it, unless you take a million snapshots of everything in rules and structures and the clubs themselves.

Kart99 · Post by **Kart99** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:56 am

https://mega.nz/#!zapA3axK!_bZG0aKoN8dK ... u1HYlpjznY

Hi, this is the database I was using. Any suggestions would be helpful and I'd be extremely grateful.

Post by **xECK29x** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:54 pm

Kart99 wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:56 am https://mega.nz/#!zapA3axK!_bZG0aKoN8dK ... u1HYlpjznY

Hi, this is the database I was using. Any suggestions would be helpful and I'd be extremely grateful.

Got it, I'll take a look this weekend.

Kart99 · Post by **Kart99** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:00 pm

That's mega, I really appreciate that. The database is just a bit of fun and I get the impression it's something dead simple but totally stumped so appreciate the help immensely.

TorstenGlinde · Post by **TorstenGlinde** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:09 pm

hi guys,

i need your help to fix my promotion / relegation issue.

I made a new playable league in Germany (Deutsche Oberliga).
Including 2 divisions (North and South).

I already managed to get the play off champion promoted to the upper level league "DEL 2".
This also works by simulating until start of the new season (e.g. 1st of July or so).

However, relegation from the DEL 2 does not work.

The relegated Team from DEL 2 (marked as releagted in the standings at the end of the previous season) is not shown in the standings of the new season.
But the promoted team is shown in the "Deutsche Oberliga", as well as "DEL 2".

Interesting side notes: the relegated team has a correct new schedule against teams of the "deutsche oberliga". It´s just not shown in the standings.
The promoted team is shown correctly in DEL 2. And just with zero played games in the "Deutsche Oberliga".

I know that this issue is related to the structure of the "deutsche oberliga".
I´m still running this league by putting the teams into 2 divisions by the league structure menue for real time schedules.
And team picking rules by "From database by base comp".
Other picking options had even less success...

Does anyone have an idea how to fix this one?

Post by **archibalduk** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:47 am

Did you enable the Relegation From Stage fate setting in the DEL2? You need to enable this for the relevant stage of DEL2 in the same way as you did for the Promotion From Stage fate setting in the Oberliga.

For the initial Oberliga stages' Team Picking Rules, I believe you should also enable either the North/South or East/West rule in addition to what you already set. I'm doing this from memory but I can post a screenshot if you struggle to find the setting.

Kart99 · Post by **Kart99** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:31 pm

xECK29x wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:54 pm
Kart99 wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:56 am https://mega.nz/#!zapA3axK!_bZG0aKoN8dK ... u1HYlpjznY

Hi, this is the database I was using. Any suggestions would be helpful and I'd be extremely grateful.
Got it, I'll take a look this weekend.

Any Luck?

Post by **xECK29x** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:45 pm

Kart99 wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:31 pmAny Luck?

Sorry been too busy getting my releases out, will revisit this, usually when it crashes at initializing leagues something is fundamentally wrong with the league structure.

Kart99 · Post by **Kart99** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:16 pm

xECK29x wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:45 pm
Kart99 wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:31 pmAny Luck?
Sorry been too busy getting my releases out, will revisit this, usually when it crashes at initializing leagues something is fundamentally wrong with the league structure.

That's cool and understandable. What I think is confusing me and why I really need another pair of eyes looking at it is that I seem to be missing the easiest thing in the world to get it to work. Like I restarted again, just to get the top division working, which I have managed successfully, yet when I try to create a second division using most - if not all - of the same settings and schedule, that's when I run into problems. What's even more frustrating is that I managed to do it previously where I did have two different leagues of 30 in the same country working perfectly. I lost that data file when my computer died unexpectedly, I just can't for the life of me remember what I did.

Javs · Post by **Javs** » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:08 pm

Competitions > Classification > Division Level

Is the division level the level of the league in their country (nino has mentioned that before) or is it the level of the league under the specific classification (Domestic Junior / Major Junior / etc.) as that seems to make more sense to me...

Post by **archibalduk** » Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:31 pm

Javs wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:08 pm Competitions > Classification > Division Level

Is the division level the level of the league in their country (nino has mentioned that before) or is it the level of the league under the specific classification (Domestic Junior / Major Junior / etc.) as that seems to make more sense to me...

I think the latter might be correct (i.e. division level for a specific classification). I'm not 100% certain but that seems to be the case in the database.

Javs · Post by **Javs** » Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:27 pm

- Is there anyway to limit the number of transfers per team in a league?

- Also regarding drafts, still no way to add a draft? If so, anyways to create our own protection areas similar to the CHL (OHL, WHL, QMJHL)?

- Is it possible to add an option to have player under a certain age have a NMC? Or something like not being able to trade players under a certain age?

EDIT: Any way to add an option to limit the contract type per team? Could have one-way contracts and two-way contracts? With that being said, if there would be a way to limit the number of games then said 'two-way contract' players play?