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EA Sports NHL 09 / 2K Sports NHL 2K9

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Hell yeah! My prayers have been answered!!!
2KSports wrote:2K Sports today announced that the next iteration of the popular hockey franchise, NHL 2K9, will be coming to the Wii™ console from Nintendo this fall. As the first and only officially licensed NHL and NHLPA video game for Wii, NHL 2K9 will offer fans the fun opportunity to play like the pros using the Wii Remote™ controller as a hockey stick, and enjoy playing hockey in a wholly unique and entertaining experience like never before.
You can read the full article HERE.

I'm so glad to see the 2K series come to the Wii rather than the EA series. I loved 2K6 for the XBox - it was by far the best NHL game I've ever played.

No more Gamecube NHL 05 for me! :D
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Very good news! I was kind of bummed that they didn't have any hockey games for the Wii. Now I've got 2 games I'm really looking forward to on the Wii... NHL 2k9 and Ghostbusters. 8-)
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Ugh... I almost vomit when I think of the NHL 2k series anymore. :-(

My love for it promptly turned to extreme hatred as a result of NHL 2k4. No offence to any fans of that one, but it's still one of the worst hockey games I've played... even worse than the pile of doggy doo doo that made me convert to 2k in the first place - EA's NHL 2003.

...And of course, that's why I had to convert once again, this time completely away from console hockey forever, and into a whole new world - management sims. Hello Sports Interactive, goodbye everyone else! Haven't looked back since. :thup:
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Oh really? The only NHL 2K game I've played is 2K6 and thoroughly enjoyed it. Though I have to say, 2K Games did a very half-assed job in that there were some serious bugs with it (to the point where playing the franchise mode was impossible due to a crash). They were well aware of it and did nothing whatsoever. Later in the year they released an XBox 360 version and I believe that too had a lot of bugs in it. Also, the European version of 2K6 was released in March (whereas the US version had been released the previous September/October) - a very big delay considering the NHL regular season was nearly over. They didn't even bother updating the rosters from Sept/Oct. :roll: Despite all of that, it's a much better game that the EA NHL games I've played - though I've never tried the versions with the skill stick.

EA are just as bad as 2K Sports, though - they don't listen to what the users want. I think SI Games are a very rare breed indeed.

The Wii version is going to involve swinging the Wii remote to shoot and pass. This will turn out to either be a naff gimmick or absolutely fantastic. I hope it'll be great but I'm very sceptical. I've tried other Wii games which involved similar ideas but they turned out to be a good idea but poor execution (e.g. Lego Star Wars and Pro Evolution Soccer). Either way, it's reassuring that all of the features from the PS3 and XBox 360 versions are going to be included in the Wii version.

B72 - I didn't know about a Ghostbusters game. I love Ghostbusters! The game sounds quite good from the limited review I've read. I'll be sure to keep my eyes out for that.
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Though I have to say, 2K Games did a very half-assed job in that there were some serious bugs with it (to the point where playing the franchise mode was impossible due to a crash). They were well aware of it and did nothing whatsoever.
Yeah, that's pretty much the story of 2K Sports - bugs, bugs, bugs... and then putting hardly any effort into fixing them for next time.

In fact, that "franchise bug" you speak of began with 2K4, and was well documented by gamers. And from what I saw on the forum I used to go to, they still have a stickied thread with ways to get around it in today's versions - four or five years later.

Though, to their credit, I hear the actual in-game gameplay has significantly improved.
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Post by deknegt »

its odd but EA Sports are finally getting their stuff together.
but still the PC iterations of their sport games leave ALOT to be desired.
because pc games like fifa 08 and nhl 08 look exactly the same as in 2003 :headache: :rant:
whilst the next-gen versions of the same game look absolutely gorgeous, trust me i know because i own fifa 08 on the 360 and have rented nhl 08 once and they where stunning and possibly the most fun i had with a sports game.
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deknegt wrote:its odd but EA Sports are finally getting their stuff together.
but still the PC iterations of their sport games leave ALOT to be desired.
Has their 'management' area of the games gotten any better?

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well fifa manager is ok its a more dumbed down version of football manager.
but the match engine is bad (of fifa manager)
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Post by archibalduk »

Stinson - the actual gameplay is fantastic. EA NHL games that I've played (all of the PC versions from 1999-2007) are not a patch on the depth of the 2K games. I think that is 2K's saving grace. But they really should sort this bug out. It's a really poor showing on their part - you'd have thought they'd take pride in their work :dunno:

deknegt wrote:its odd but EA Sports are finally getting their stuff together.
but still the PC iterations of their sport games leave ALOT to be desired.
because pc games like fifa 08 and nhl 08 look exactly the same as in 2003 :headache: :rant:
whilst the next-gen versions of the same game look absolutely gorgeous, trust me i know because i own fifa 08 on the 360 and have rented nhl 08 once and they where stunning and possibly the most fun i had with a sports game.
The PC version of the game is a separate game to the console games. I think I read in IGN that this could be the year when they might base the PC version off the next gen. I don't understand why they haven't - the graphics power of the PC is far, far better than any console.
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B. Stinson wrote:And from what I saw on the forum I used to go to, they still have a stickied thread with ways to get around it in today's versions - four or five years later.
Is that 2khockey.net perchance?
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archibalduk wrote:
B. Stinson wrote:And from what I saw on the forum I used to go to, they still have a stickied thread with ways to get around it in today's versions - four or five years later.
Is that 2khockey.net perchance?
Indeed it is. I used to basically live there(and really pushed EHM like crazy... ticking many people off by "advertising" it so much ;) ).

Although, it looks like they finally have an Xbox 360 patch for the franchise problem, which is good.
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NHL09 is adding a Career mode, look forward to trying it.
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Taloncarde wrote:NHL09 is adding a Career mode, look forward to trying it.
What is the career mode? Is that any different to their franchise mode?
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Did EA's NHL ever put in a 'practice' mode? They were planning to in 98, but cut it off cause it was causing too many problems.

As you can probably tell I haven't played any NHL for quite a while. lol

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Taloncarde wrote:NHL09 is adding a Career mode, look forward to trying it.
if you mean a nfl superstar mode type of mode i will scream in joy.
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deknegt wrote:
Taloncarde wrote:NHL09 is adding a Career mode, look forward to trying it.
if you mean a nfl superstar mode type of mode i will scream in joy.

Similar, yes. It's actually more like Fifa's "Be a pro" mode, for those who have played the latest Fifa.

3rd person camera behind you, you will start out in the AHL, not sure if you pick your team and then get drafted, or if you get randomly drafted and put on the AHL team. You'll be on the bench when not on the ice, but you can call to your coach to put you back out there.

To get "experience" you are going to be rated after each game on Positioning (Depending on your player's type) Stats (Again depending on playertype) and teamwork. IE, if you call for the puck all the time or make bad passes, or keep screaming to get on ice, these all may go down.

Once it comes out i'll pass on word on how it is to those who are interested :P Looks like a lot more fun than the Madden/NCAA ones, because on those your player is at the whim of an AI coach calling plays.
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Post by Taloncarde »

I just heard NHL2k9 is going to be coming out for the Wii, (NHL 09 will not) so that could be an interesting rent, imagine the controls on that for hockey :P But yeah, renting, or used games are the way to go with video games.

Gamestop/EB has a 7 day for same item return policy in the US, and it can be a pain to return new games. But unless you are habitual about it, they usually allow returns of used games up to 30 days. (That depends on your store, of course, not all areas have the same policys) so buying used is a close second option to renting if you aren't sure if you are going to like it.
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When 2K announced they were releasing the only NHL game for Wii, I assumed that EA wouldn't be releasing one. It's a bit of a shame because they both make very different hockey games. EA's experience of the skill stick (if that's what they call it) may have made them a better bet when it comes to implementing the Wiimote's motion controls. I wonder why they've chosen not to release a Wii version? They've done one for most/all of their other sports games.
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I think they are saying graphics concerns? Not sure. But I understand 2k8 used a modified skill stick system, where instead of pushing the right stick up to shoot you still hit a trigger or something to shoot.
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I don't think the argument about graphics is a valid one. EA developed NHL 07 for both XBox & PS2 and X360 and PS3, catering for both levels of graphics power. The Wii is allegedly more powerful than the old XBox or PS2 in terms of graphics and so I don't see that as an issue. EA already have some Wii versions of their next gen games (Madden 09 is coming out for the Wii, Tiger Woods 08 (and 09, I believe), NBA 08).

It's a shame an EA NHL won't be coming out for the Wii. I think the competition between 2K Sports and EA would have pushed them both to produce a top class game. I think there's the potential for 2K to release a half-assed game just for the sake of releasing the only NHL game for the Wii. Hopefully, though, I'm being cynical! :-D
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I see what you mean, Talconcarde. What you're saying is that you're paying for the extras that make the experience better and life easier. I've never used the Wii friend codes but I have to admit having a large number of digits as and address does seem a very complicated and confusing way of doing things.

Flea - with regards to NHL 09 v 2K9, different people will give you different answers. I had NHL 2K6 and would have to say that it was far better than NHL 06. However, the introduction of the skill stick in the EA NHL series is, in my opinion, a good reason to try EA's game. Also, EA Sports are designing NHL 09 from scratch (in previous years, they usually just use the old code and update/improve it); this could potentially mean a much better game - or it could introduce lots more problems. Conversely, NHL 2K games give you a great degree of control over the players (lots of buttons perform lots of functions) and they have a reputation for being less arcade-like than the EA NHL games. But I haven't played the newer versions so I don't know how much things have changed. If you get the opportunity then I suggest you try both (e.g. rent them).
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Did a search of this on the forums and it came up blank, so:

http://linux.softpedia.com/get/GAMES-EN ... 9574.shtml

Basically, this seems to be an open source, seriously watered down version of EHM. I think this is a bit of a waste of space in writing this because it was last updated February 2006, so I imagine the developers have gotten as far as they could with it and given up. They are (or most probably, were) looking for Java programmers to help enhance the game, but I imagine they got very little or no response and so have left it as it is.

I guess some of you have heard of this before because it's been around for ages, but I just thought I'd get it out there for anyone fancying a change.
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Archi,

Regarding NHL 2K9 for Wii, have you heard anything about them using the Wiiconnect 24? It'd be quite something to play games against other people around the continent/globe. To me, the whole point of getting the Wii was the interactivity of the Wiimote, so I think putting it in a hockey game could be great fun. I'm still going to try and rent it first though - I've heard some negative reviews about the 2K series, including from Stinson :D.

Did anyone play NHL Hitz 2003 for Gamecube? It was so good, I'd still be playing it now if the CD hadn't corrupted.

I'd be happy to share my Wii Friend Code if anyone is interested in playing some game or other? Mario Kart is a blast on multiplayer, that's for sure.
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No news whatsoever about NHL 2K9 yet. The E3 Expo starts today - the major companies use this expo to showcase their upcoming games and release new details. Hopefully we might get some more details this week... You're right, WiiConnect24 would be great. Konami implemented it for Pro Evolution Soccer Wii - I've never tried it but I hear it's a blast. Mario Kart on WiiConnect is fantastic - so addictive :D

Where would you rent 2K9 from? Blockbuster down in Chatham (Kent) don't rent out Wii games ](*,)

I'll find out what my Wii Friend Code is and post it in here. :thup:
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That's strange. When I first read your problem, I was thinking it was that you had only synchronised your Wiimote for one time play (i.e. it syncs it for a one off and then it is unsync'ed when you turn off the Wii). All I could think was that you need to sync them permanently, using the method Bobmcgoo mentioned. However, if it is cutting out during play then it sounds like it's a more serious issue. Is it just the one particular Wiimote that cuts out? I tried a google search and found other people with the same problem but no solutions: http://www.wiichat.com/nintendo-wii-har ... g-out.html & http://www.wiichat.com/nintendo-wii-cha ... ction.html

Here's some limited previews of NHL 2k9:
* GameSpot
* Operation Sports

Apparently 2KSports aim to make the Wii version of 2k9 fun. I hope that doesn't mean a mindless arcade game and gimmicky controls (e.g. motion controls just for the sake of it). However, one of the guys working on the game said the game will still remain a simulation at heart. I'd like to see some sort of balance between arcade and simulation - a pure simulation runs the risk of taking the fun out of it.

Here's an interesting snippet from the GameSpot preview:
GameSpot wrote:The biggest news regarding NHL 2K9 though is undoubtedly its debut on the Nintendo Wii, making it the first hockey game for the console. In contrast to EA’s approach to Wii sports titles, NHL 2K9 maintains the look and feel of a simulation. Although the graphics aren’t quite up to par with the 360 and PS3 versions of the game, the gameplay and game modes do seem similar (although we are unsure if this applies to online play as well). All this is forgivable though with the implementation of the Wii control scheme. The element that the Wii version does bring, however, is a new twist to the controls.

The Wii Remote essentially functions as your hockey stick while shooting. A quick forward swing will produce a wrist shot while a motion including a backswing will cause your player to rifle a slapshot. One-timers can also be executed by beginning your backswing prior to a player receiving a pass. In addition to more interactive shooting, the Wii version also introduces a new point-to-pass mechanic unique to the console. While regular button-press passing is also possible, point-to-pass allows you to direct your passes anywhere on the ice by simply pointing the Wii Remote. The control even makes it possible to chain multiple passes together for a quick give-and-go.
I think the point and click passing is a good idea. It worked really well for Pro Evolution Soccer. 8-)

I take back what I said about the gimmicky controls:
Operation Sports wrote:Now when it comes to Wii controls, Mark Thomas discussed how the folks at Visual Concepts spoke with Nintendo and one of the things Nintendo said was, don't get obsessed with the motion control. Visual Concepts took Nintendo's advice to heart. So what that means is you'll do things like check another person by pushing the Wii Remote and Nunchuck forward, or shoot by swinging the Wii Remote one way for a wrist shot, and another way for a slap shot, but you won't have to do insane things like make line changes by waggling your Wii Remote back-and-forth five time.

To give a more practical example, when it comes to passing you have a few options. You can either pass the more traditional way, or use the user interface and do point-to-point passing. Basically, that means there's a little cursor on the screen that you control by pointing the Wii Remote at different parts of the screen. This method allows you to chain passes together quickly by pointing at the various players.
That's some good advice from Nintendo. You've got to respect them for advising 2KSports not to go over the top with what is possibly the key feature of the Wii.
Operation Sports wrote:The VC guys have also made sure that everything you can do in the 360/PS3 versions control-wise, is possible to do on the Wii version. In fact it seems like the Wii version will have everything the 360/PS3 versions do, except online play.
Sounds great that the Wii version won't be a watered down version of the PS3/X360 version. It's a shame the Wii version won't include online play - but if that's the only thing missing from the Wii game then I won't be complaining!
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