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Post by **Minstrel** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:17 pm

The dates for the Carolina Challenge got scrambled a bit and didn't follow the schedule I have in Announce thread 3. They are supposed to be arranged so the later in the week the day is and the later in the hockey season the month is that means it corresponds to later games in our season...

Anyhow, I have it back sorted correctly again so at the GLR recording site things should be back to the schedule I'd posted:

SUN 02 OCT 2005 = Games 1-20
MON 14 NOV 2005 = Games 21-40
WED 21 DEC 2005 = Games 41-60
FRI 27 JAN 2006 = Games 61-82

So, in the separate tables like for powerplay percentage you know all the figures that are dated WED 21 DEC 2005 are people's powerplay percentages for their team's games 41-60 of their season. It just makes it easier to sort out those tables.

You can also click on the individual dates in the schedule at the top of the pages and it will open a page with just those stats; so if you want to see on one page how everyone did for games 21-40 click on the 'MON 14 NOV 2005' link. This is the best way to compare your team with other teams in the cumulative stats like games won which get totaled and displayed in the main chart. It's not the ideal system but once you know the 'tricks' I think it actually works pretty well

Post by **Minstrel** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:27 pm

TBL Challenge 2.2: Carolina recording has been officially launched at our GLR site. In order to access the proper recording chart you may have to select the proper season from the 'Season' pull-down menu in the grey bar atop the GLR League Home page. 2.1 = 1st season 2.2 = 2nd season

I have added information to the Official Scoring announcement thread about what you need to do to play in the Second Season of our Carolina Challenge. Make sure you check it out.

When recording your stats you will use the same thread, just begin your post as you have been doing but update your season number:

"Challenge 2.2 Games 1-20" for example so I know which season you are recording for.

Good luck to everyone with their 2006-2007 seasons!

Post by **timmy_t** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:59 am

Hey Minstrel-

When we post the high goals/assists for our team is it just the goals/assists scored on our team, or does it include goals/assists from their other team (like after a big trade...) ?

Post by **Minstrel** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:55 am

Actually was discussing this in the Carolina thread, I think around page 2ish??

The deal is the numbers you report for player stats are those that are displayed at that time on your 'Statistics' page, nothing else. The only thing that counts are stats they put up while with your team while on your active roster. After they leave and before they come doesn't count because you weren't coaching them then.

Otherwise people would have to keep track of how their player did pre and post trades and then we'd have to have some kind of conversion for AHL stats, ECHL stats stats with Junior teams, stats from overseas etc. and you'd have to spend a lot time and clicking to track down players too. This is why we decided to do player stats the way we do. To make it easier on people.

If for example we wanted people to report who scored the most goals for their team in just games 21-40 they would have to have a screenshot of their entire team at game 20 and do the math to figure out Player X scored 9 goals that set. Then they'd have to do the same for assists, total points, plus/minus and PIM.

It's just too much work/aggravation.

So, when it comes to your reporting period after games 20, 40, 60, and 82. Record your best player stats as are displayed on screen by clicking on your roster then on statistics in the sidebar.

Post by **timmy_t** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:11 pm

Thanks for the reply. I understand.

Post by **Minstrel** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:25 pm

Okay, I've taken another pass through the Announce Threads for the Challenge to continue to clarify and condense things. You might want to take a look back at them again

The addition everyone should check out though are in the final post of the "#3 Challenge Stats Recording / GLR Display Info" Announce thread atop the forum. It now contains complete explanation and example pics to help everyone know what screenshots they are required to post and when.

I'm going to be focusing more on the running of the Challenge System/Administration and less on the recording matters from now on. So... keep an eye on your posts in recording until they have been cleared in case someone has posted a question about your posts.

Maybe I'll be able to post about my teams within a week of recording stats now

Be very cautious though... the recorder you end up dealing with could be one of our fleet of TBL Ninja

and they, believe me on this one, are not to be trifled with.

Post by **Calv** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:11 pm

Right, just thought I'd give you guys a heads up, I am now helping out with the recording of stats for the challenges due to the mounting work that Minty & Archi are undertaking.

I will be adopting the same style that Minty uses by editing your individual posts and colour coding them green - fine, brown - problems,
with any problems/questions added onto the end of your post, I will change this when you have providided the requried information

Good luck

Post by **archibalduk** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:43 pm

Cheers bro

The Admins really appreciate your helping hand. It should help ease the pressure so we can sort out our big 'to do' lists

Calv wrote:brown - problems,

I'd say that it's more of a mauve colour

Post by **E5150_ca** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 3:04 pm

Calv wrote:Right, just thought I'd give you guys a heads up, I am now helping out with the recording of stats for the challenges due to the mounting work that Minty & Archi are undertaking.

I will be adopting the same style that Minty uses by editing your individual posts and colour coding them green - fine, brown - problems,
with any problems/questions added onto the end of your post, I will change this when you have providided the requried information

Good luck

Thanks for helping out man, I'm sure its appreciated.

Post by **Minstrel** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:31 pm

Hooray!! This calls for a short play by the Emoticon Repertoire Ensemble entitled "Calv to the Rescue":

Thanks amigo

keithv · Post by **keithv** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:56 pm

When does the board usually give you your new budget for the year?

Systemfel · Post by **Systemfel** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:06 am

keithv wrote:When does the board usually give you your new budget for the year?

When the UFA frenzy begins.

Post by **Minstrel** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:25 pm

That's the first few days of July; the 1st or 4th I think it is.

Post by **Minstrel** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:50 pm

Just a quick mention here as I don't like to dwell on such things since this all for fun in the spirit of competition and all and it is really weak if "winning" a Challenge means enough to you to have to go outside the rules to do it. It is oh so very lame and pathetic that I've never actually spelled it out. I'd hope the spirit of the TBL Community helps people to realize we're just here to enjoy playing a game we all dig and gripe and tell stories about our successes and failures during the Challenges and learn some stuff along the way to enjoy the game more.

However I guess I'll just come out and say it. We know if you're cheating; we probably even know how.

And to those of you who do follow the rules I can assure you we won't let people who don't follow the rules ruin the Challenges. I won't lay it all out here in examples of what people might do as that may give people ideas they didn't have before. We do know the way the system could be 'worked around' if someone wanted to.

Believe me, I spent tons of time designing the rules of the Challenge system and the game itself records enough information that if we have to we can request other screenshots for further proof. Did you know that there is an overall game-wide transactions listing? There is. Someone fires a trainer in the WHL and the game records it to that list, someone signs a free agent in Norway? On the list.

Should we need to go deeper we can always request your saved game to look around ourselves and make sure your screens are matching up. And if we have any doubt at any time we reserve the right to just remove you anyway. Yeah, it's a bit unfair I guess but we run the place and it's even more unfair of someone to ruin the competition for everyone by not playing by the rules.

So, know that if you cheat you'll be caught and removed from the Challenge, possibly banned. So just don't do it.

Now, I don't want anyone to accuse anyone on the forum or speculate about how that user may have achieved certain results. If you suspect someone is outside of the rules, please message me in private. Odds are we already know. The less it is talked about on the forum the better though. They aren't worth discussing, and such talk only leads to people questioning everyone even if they are playing by the rules as 99% or so of us are.

So there you have it. I trust everyone until you give me a reason not to. And if you are within the rules and we ask for extra screens don't be offended, we just want to double check sometimes.

Post by **E5150_ca** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 5:33 am

:thup:Good post Minty.

Don't know why these two dudes feel the need to cheat in an online community they're barely even a part of.

Post by **Minstrel** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:56 pm

As I've said please message me about these matters instead of posting as we prefer to handle board discipline matters off the board and with the collective opinions/advice of the whole Admin Team. I only posted the above messsage when we found our second person who obviously was cheating. We didn't have fast proof how but come on!!!

We're not idiots and we know the general range someone can accomplish within the Challenge rules. Sure, at some point someone may legitimately blow away a Challenge field but the more people there are the less likely it is to happen I think.

As I mentioned, I don't want this to become a witch hunt with everyone questioning everyone else and today I'm glad I pointed that out because in actuality we've only had one cheater in the Challenges. That's right; Cobra84 and N.Bystok are one and the same. They post from the identical IP address which is now

I started to piece that together yesterday; due to both having French screenshots using the same skin as well as N.Bystok posting something to the tune of: "Anytime someone posts really great stats you find a way to keep them out of the Challenge." I was wondering, this is a user who hasn't made any other posts, only supposedly read the Challenge instructions and submitted his results. Most new users wouldn't care to read back in the recording thread so how did this guy know we've discredited people (Cobra84) before?

Each time he tried he screwed something up though; the first time was his trading wrong year draft picks and posting screenshots about it as Cobra84 then we all started wondering how he made trades with scrubs for Untouchable players like Bouwmeester. This was when he obviously didn't know the game records enough proff to bust him on those trades.

Apparently he was upset that we hadn't 'officially' caught him on his second go-round but still disqualified him as we know something wasn't right. So he came back with a new account to try and make it look like we were unjustly keeping SuperGMs out of the Challenge; but if the 9 losses with Carolina through 60 games wasn't enough of a red flag he also didn't take the two step necessary to join the Challenge, email be and simply post you promise people you'll play by the rules. No need for further discussion of how he got those stats. So in the end he cheated really bad and was also a really bad cheater

So that's the deal folks, we just wanted to let you know. This though is why I make people jump through the silly hoops they have to in joining. It's not because of you; it's because of The Others (to speak in Lost terms

). As I said I trust everyone here until given a reason not to. This is the first user we've had to ban but the Challenge system and rules functioned as planned to cover if someone wanted to try and pull one over on us.

It didn't work, we even caught it three times. And no, it won't work in the future either.

Thanks for your time and for the people that have made the Challenges so much fun by battling it out on the level playingfield it provides. We hope to run many many more. So we'll keep you posted on how it's going...

And we thank you for your support. T. BartLes and Jaymes.

EDIT: I'm going to make this a regular thread for a week or so to ensure people see this message

Systemfel · Post by **Systemfel** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:01 pm

Okay, I have a question. When playing with the Unfake DB 1.0, will Theodore still be on the Habs roster?

Post by **Minstrel** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:37 pm

Systemfel · Post by **Systemfel** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:48 pm

Wouldn't it be better to have seperate stats recording threads for each challenge?

The old one's getting a bit big...

Just a question...

Post by **inSTAALed** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:49 pm

I was going to suggest that as well.

Post by **Minstrel** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:43 am

We didn't want there to be a whole mess of threads and it would be much more difficult to record the Challenges if we have more than one going at a time. Not everyone are the awesome do-everything-right forum users like you are so it would just make for more confusion all-around. So to record stats you go to THE Recording Thread

As for the thread getting long, you know you can just click on the page numbers under the thread name and go to that page, right? So what does it matter how long the thread is?

If it's 63 pages long click on the little 63 link...

Post by **Calv** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:23 am

Couple of Official Announcementsâ„¢ for people regarding the Carolina 2.2 Challenge and the Montreal 3.1 Challenge:

Carolina 2.2 Challenge

The next set of bonuses will be calculated a week on monday, that means:
You have until May 8th to play the first 60 games of your season to be eligible for the 2nd bonus points

Montreal 3.1 Challenge

After the deadline of 1st May to get your first 20 games in you will then be 3 weeks to get the next 40 games in that means:

The first 60 games must be recorded by the 22nd May for you to qualify for 2nd Bonuses

Post by **Minstrel** » Mon May 15, 2006 5:26 am

A quick reminder that Challenge 3.1 GMs need to have their first 60 games recorded before the 22nd of May in order to qualify for the 2nd in-year bonus points.

Also, given that Devils88 has provided a way to begin a Challenge season with 2005-2006 trade updated rosters via his config file I want people's opinions on if we should require players to use those rosters for upcoming Challenges. Please see the Poll for more info. Whatever the majority of players prefer will become the Official Ruleâ„¢ for Challenges.

Post by **Minstrel** » Tue May 16, 2006 5:50 pm

More info in the main Forum Announcements thread with Official Detailsâ„¢ but we have moved to an updated version of our previous Stats Recording site GLR. From now on you should go to our newly updated system at League Republic: Hockey which is:

http://tblchallenge.leaguerepublic.com/

Update your bookmarks!

Post by **Minstrel** » Tue May 30, 2006 5:46 pm

All Challenges from here on will be run using the Trade Update Config File v 1.1. Many thanks to Devils88 for his work putting that file together for us. All you do is copy the file into the your database folder before you begin your game.

Use of the config file is required; NOT optional!

We will be asking for people to post screenshots of their transacations listing screen and if we see that you didn't use the trade update you will have to restart your season.

Remember if you are also for example taking advantage of the new NCAA unfaking database available for Challenge use install the database first and then copy the trade config file into the database folder. Then when you start up your new game you're all set!