Official 09-10 NHL Regular Season thread

DJP19 · Post by **DJP19** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:53 pm

How is this not a penalty. It is clearly a "push".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUXHH-Cj0vM

Post by **Danny** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:01 pm

I like where this is going

DJP19 · Post by **DJP19** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:06 pm

I just need clarifying of what a real "push". I mean this is also a push, why wasnt crosby suspended. I dont think batdad will like this.

Post by **Danny** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:13 pm

Batdad doesn't like a lot of things, that doesn't say much, he's old and cranky. But he's spot on.

DJP19 · Post by **DJP19** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:17 pm

Danny wrote:But he's spot on.

About this issue I don't think he is.

Post by **batdad** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:17 pm

Skating 2 miles per hour in a non dangerous place and a love tap vs a two handed shove in a dangerous place on the ice. And with the player being aware and ready for it (Ovi in Crosby push) vs a player not aware what was coming at 20 miles per hour. Wow--that is soooo comparable. And you know what...should have been a minor for roughing. And Ovi too.

Apples and Oranges...wow.

And please do not think I love Crosby and hate Ovechkin...so not true. In fact, if I am completely honest I love both of them. They play two totally different types of games, and I still have a hard time understanding how they can be compared in almost any way....totally different players.

Kids these days...

Post by **philou21** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:24 pm

McQwak wrote:Tha fact is that those hits were on open ice and the Ovy's one was near the board. Maybe that's the logic Hard to guess

Yes it is, as Batdad was saying. I just forgot to write it in my post.

I was thinking about this but I didn't write anything about that. Did someone see Lapierre suspension after the Olympics? Same as Ovi, near the board...but more slower than the one with Ovi/Campbell. Lapierre, 4 games and Ovi 2 games.....Personnaly I think that Lapierre wasn't deserve a suspension like this but you can cleary see what the status of superstar mean.

Oh and Campbell got a broken collarbone (

that what's write in my dictionnary don't know if it's right though ) and broken ribs. Out for the rest of the season for sure.

DJP19 · Post by **DJP19** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:29 pm

I should be happy that Ovechkin got suspended. Now if he makes another infraction than he could be out even longer. THis all helps the Senators and their quest for Lord Stanley's Cup.

DJP19 · Post by **DJP19** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:31 pm

BTW, brian campbell will be out 7-8 weeks. Thats a pretty bad for such a little "push"

Post by **batdad** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:32 pm

Lapi--Directly from behind. Real bad. Real bad. But yes, Ovi could have got more than him...no question.

And how does a team that is what 25 points ahead of Ottawa having a player get suspended for 2 games help Ottawa? Especially when the two games he misses are Florida and Carolina?

To me all it does is give 1/2 a chance to Florida and Carolina get 2 points. That makes absolutely zero sense. Should I be surprised?

Post by **batdad** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:33 pm

DJP19 wrote:BTW, brian campbell will be out 7-8 weeks. Thats a pretty bad for such a little "push"

SO now it is a bad push? What? A few minutes ago you said 2 games was too much of a suspension. I just don't get you. Between that and the Ottawa being helped by Ovechkin being out 2 games you are proving what you know

Post by **philou21** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:33 pm

Mmmm yes it was from behind, but it wasn't as violent and brutal as Ovi, the possibility of injuries were less possible than Ovi, Campbell is in a really bad shape right now.

Post by **batdad** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:35 pm

Yep. You will never hear me say Ovechkin deserved less than Lapierre...that is for sure. but you will also never hear me say Lapierre was in any way deserving of less than 4 games.

Post by **philou21** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:39 pm

At least it was a suspension that the league finally make ''reasonnable''. Still ( I'm not a fan of Lapi, I hate this guy so much ) he was at is really first infraction, so I was surprise by the 4 games. I can bring back the fact that Cooke asn't been suspended and he already done others things, but this is just an endless conversation....the NHL is mess up.

Post by **batdad** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:42 pm

Yep. and hopefully next year the new rule will help change that. There is talk they are maybe trying to push it into place for the playoffs.

And come on...Matt Cooke is just misunderstood. Heh. Kidding...kidding. He is a prick and maybe Campbell did not suspend him so he could go to the game on Thursday and watch Matt get the heck kicked out of him by Lucic and Thornton.

Post by **philou21** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:47 pm

rancer890 · Post by **rancer890** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:57 pm

DJP19 wrote:I should be happy that Ovechkin got suspended. Now if he makes another infraction than he could be out even longer. THis all helps the Senators and their quest for Lord Stanley's Cup.

You just made me LOL.

You're not even going to catch the Sabres for the division.

But also Savard is gone for the year, so I'm not really buying into the Campbell injury makes the suspension reasonable.

At least in terms of dealing with discipline, the NHL has been consistent...consistently bad that is!

DJP19 · Post by **DJP19** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:00 pm

The sabres havent been that hot lately but niether have the sens. Still a bit over 10 games to go. Anything can happen.

Post by **Manimal** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:15 am

The league apparently wants to implement the head shot-rule for the play-offs this season. Could be real troublesome if some bad ref tries to set an example and wrecks some team's chances in the play-offs. Wait until next season, I'd say

Post by **McQwak** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:18 am

Círyatan wrote:
rancer890 wrote:I think by you calling Ovie 'Ovenchicken'
I call 'im The Little Sheepie.

Yeah, in our Slavonic languages (incl. Russian) "ovechk" means "sheep" or more precisely "lamb". So he's Alex Lambkin.
And "serious" magazines even speculate whether he eats lamb meat

DJP19 · Post by **DJP19** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:13 pm

Yah. Ovechking even had a lamb on his skates during the olympics.

Post by **B. Stinson** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:06 pm

batdad wrote:Stinson--Ovenchicken 's hit is not worse than Cooke's, nor is it worse than Richards. It is just different in 2 ways, which lead to suspension.

1. A different place on the ice. The player making the hit must be more aware of what he is doing and where he is, just as the player taking the hit must be. Campbell not expecting a hit, because Ovi not in position to deliver a body check...

2. Ovenchicken's "hit" is not a HIT. It is a push. In both the cases of Richards and Cooke the main part of the body that makes contact is the shoulder. Yes..Cooke followed through with the elbow, and I believe I said should be suspended for that. Richards...clean hit by the rules as they stand now. In the future...not so much.

I see what you're saying, but regardless of the circumstances around each incident, the league has still sent an alarmingly irrational message thus far: Smash a man's head all you want, but don't you dare shove him near the boards.

Post by **batdad** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:56 pm

Yep. You are right Stinson. Unfortunately shoulder to head hits have been part of the game forever. The league is only now getting around to ruling against those type of hits and putting a rule in place. I really hope that nothing else happens until they get that rule in there....but I bet it will. Tomorrow maybe.

Don't get me wrong head shots are bad. I took a couple ( I know explains alot)...but they were not nearly as bad as they are now with the gear the guys have on their shoulders. They all have deadly shoulder caps. These have to go as well..but won't. Yet. Until it is proven the rule does not stop the hits. Which it won't...it will slow them down in number but not actually stop them.

But I do disagree .. Ovenchickens shove at the speed they were going at the place on the ice it occured...is just as bad as a head shot..and Campbell's injuries prove it.

Post by **philou21** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:45 am

Guess who will be there at the game Bruins-Pens tonight? Mr.Campbell!! He wants to be there to see if everything will be ok and nothing bad will happen.

Since two days, alot of check from behind!!

Yesterday, Kotalik hit a player from behind and Goligoski been hit from behind. Two days ago Alfredsson hit Beauchemin from behind. They were not dangerous hit, but it's still hits from behind. Some of you have certainly seen that monstrous charging from Wisniewski to Seabrook? darn that I've never seen a player fall like this since a loooong time, the last one was Kapanen hit by Tucker.

I don't know if it's deserve a suspension though.

Post by **McQwak** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:36 am

philou21 wrote:Some of you have certainly seen that monstrous charging from Wisniewski to Seabrook? darn that I've never seen a player fall like this since a loooong time, the last one was Kapanen hit by Tucker. I don't know if it's deserve a suspension though.

It's here. Really breathtaking hit. The whole match was nervous and there was fight after empty netter.
I think it was ugly because Seabrook did not play the puck. On the other side, he had missed Perry's head before that hit, so it's tied. At least Wisniewski didn't aim for his head.